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In response to Americasroof, I think one should have a sound knowledge-base in structural engineering and structural architecture and the relationship between them in the context of modern building science, before judging Fazlur Rahman Khan's architectural contribution to the building of Sear's tower. SOM architect Bruce Graham and SOM engineer Fazlur Khan worked together as a structural design team and without the structural engineering expertise, architectural design remains a dream. This is specially true when we are talking about a relatively new theory being tried out in structural engineering field, as implemented in building of Sear's Tower. The design used in this construction was directly influenced by Fazlur Khan's research and innovation. Beside, who said that a structural engineer can not have any architectural knowledge?! Infact, from the experience of being a civil engineer's son and a civil engineering student myself, I have met enough structural engineers who are actively involved in such design works that would generally be considered an architectural specialty. Fazlur Khan was a strcutural engineer first and foremost, but that must not make us blind in appreciating his excellent grasp in structural architecture. This interview by the main architect of the Sear's tower, Bruce Graham may shine some light here: http://www.som.com/content.cfm/bruce_graham_interview
In response to Americasroof, I think one should have a sound knowledge-base in structural engineering and structural architecture and the relationship between them in the context of modern building science, before judging Fazlur Rahman Khan's architectural contribution to the building of Sear's tower. SOM architect Bruce Graham and SOM engineer Fazlur Khan worked together as a structural design team and without the structural engineering expertise, architectural design remains a dream. This is specially true when we are talking about a relatively new theory being tried out in structural engineering field, as implemented in building of Sear's Tower. The design used in this construction was directly influenced by Fazlur Khan's research and innovation. Beside, who said that a structural engineer can not have any architectural knowledge?! Infact, from the experience of being a civil engineer's son and a civil engineering student myself, I have met enough structural engineers who are actively involved in such design works that would generally be considered an architectural specialty. Fazlur Khan was a strcutural engineer first and foremost, but that must not make us blind in appreciating his excellent grasp in structural architecture. This interview by the main architect of the Sear's tower, Bruce Graham may shine some light here: http://www.som.com/content.cfm/bruce_graham_interview


Also, in the introduction section for John Hancock Center, SOM writes: "The world’s first mixed-use high-rise, the John Hancock Center is an '''architectural icon mirroring the collaboration between architect Bruce Graham and structural partner Fazlur Khan. The multidisciplinary nature of the design remains an archetype for the collaborative ideal that continues to make SOM a leader in the spectrum of design disciplines'''."
Also, in the introduction section for John Hancock Center, SOM writes: "The world’s first mixed-use high-rise, the John Hancock Center is an '''architectural icon mirroring the collaboration between architect Bruce Graham and structural partner Fazlur Khan. The multidisciplinary nature of the design remains an archetype for the collaborative ideal that continues to make SOM a leader in the spectrum of design disciplines'''."[http://www.som.com/content.cfm/john_hancock_center John Hancock Center]


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User:Ragib's edit summary argument as to why a fair use stamp image can be used to illustrate the subject depicted on the stamp:

well, a lot of precedent exists from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fair_use_stamp_images , so unless all of them have been removed, the use of the image should be ok

This is a specious argument. You're basically saying, "Everyone else does it, so it's OK". If every editor made the same argument, then none of the improperly used stamp images would get removed. Even if there are (many) other cases, it still doesn't make it right here. Read {{stamp}} carefully -- it says that stamp images can only be used to discuss the stamp itself. As the saying goes, a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. howcheng {chat} 19:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the explanation. I found that most of the images on Category:Fair_use_stamp_images are used in the articles on the biography-page of the person depicted. These should all be removed. --Ragib 19:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An Architect Is Not the Same As An Engineer

This article is wildly inaccurate. An architect is not the same as an engineer. He may have designed structural components of the Sears Tower and John Hancock Tower but did not design the buildings themselves. Americasroof (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Americasroof, I think one should have a sound knowledge-base in structural engineering and structural architecture and the relationship between them in the context of modern building science, before judging Fazlur Rahman Khan's architectural contribution to the building of Sear's tower. SOM architect Bruce Graham and SOM engineer Fazlur Khan worked together as a structural design team and without the structural engineering expertise, architectural design remains a dream. This is specially true when we are talking about a relatively new theory being tried out in structural engineering field, as implemented in building of Sear's Tower. The design used in this construction was directly influenced by Fazlur Khan's research and innovation. Beside, who said that a structural engineer can not have any architectural knowledge?! Infact, from the experience of being a civil engineer's son and a civil engineering student myself, I have met enough structural engineers who are actively involved in such design works that would generally be considered an architectural specialty. Fazlur Khan was a strcutural engineer first and foremost, but that must not make us blind in appreciating his excellent grasp in structural architecture. This interview by the main architect of the Sear's tower, Bruce Graham may shine some light here: http://www.som.com/content.cfm/bruce_graham_interview

Also, in the introduction section for John Hancock Center, SOM writes: "The world’s first mixed-use high-rise, the John Hancock Center is an architectural icon mirroring the collaboration between architect Bruce Graham and structural partner Fazlur Khan. The multidisciplinary nature of the design remains an archetype for the collaborative ideal that continues to make SOM a leader in the spectrum of design disciplines."John Hancock Center

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