Talk:Charles K. Kao

Flag templates

The flag templates (such as United Kingdom and United States) have been deployed in many Wikipedia articles, particularly in the infoboxes. Those flag templates are good for indicating the nationality and the place of birth of the person to which the article pertains. I think these templates should stay in the infobox in this article. I just don't understand why some Wikipedians delete the contributions of others immediately and repeatedly without even discussing about that on the talk page. I see this massive, repetitive deletion as a form of vandalism. Please stop that. - Alan (talk) 14:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Read the not at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Flags. Matthew_hk tc 14:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

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Charles kao was once Vice President. He was named executive scientist. He established the electronics department and won a Draper prize for engineering. Kao published a paper on Fibre optics which won him a prize. He joined an ITT lab in London to help with his career.

Hong Kong

Kao has the citizenship of Hong Kong SAR. (Alex Needham (talk) 13:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

No, no dual nationality in China and those who have foreign nationality means they lost the nationality and cannot naturalized as Chinese again. Matthew_hk tc 14:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

HKSAR recognizes dual nationality because of one country and two systems. 203.218.20.125 (talk) 15:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The mainland constitution cannot be applied the same in HK. Personally I think HKSAR recognizes dual or multiple nationality. Laws of 1 country 2 systems have the explanation, I think ... (Notethere2009 (talk) 16:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

permanent residence in HK is different with nationality. Acquire foreign nationality = renounce Chinese nationality, and "restore" Chinese nationality need renounce foreign nationality. No source Kao did and only stupid will renounce unless he have strong interest in Chinese nationality for a place in central government. [1] 123.202.57.244 (talk) 15:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

It's also right, quite depending on the understanding of a "citizenship" itself (Notethere2009 (talk) 16:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

It's really much better that Kao is able to clearify this. Chinese (incl. HK, Macao) laws and regulations are too subtle and complicated. Who the hell really know what inside is. We are all laypeople watching outside. (Notethere2009 (talk) 16:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

I noticed that at the first moment of announcement, it was indicated as China & UK, as Kao's nationality, on the official website of Nobelprize.org. (Notethere2009 (talk) 16:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

Hong Kong and Macao citizens are allowed to hold duel- or multi-nationality. (Speakdriveyou (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

(Alex Needham (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)) many (ranked very high) political candidates in Hong Kong before their governmental installation, they have to drop their foreign nationality (such as Canadian citizenship, btw, many Hong Kongers have CA citizenship), and even declare: I already renounced foreign citizenship, blabla, just like this. So at least highly-ranked governmental officials they own sole nationality.

I also saw at very beginning the Nobel Prize in Physics homepage showed that Kao's nationality was "China and UK". But later the laureates' nationality was all vanished. It's also possible that Kao has three nationalities. Anyway, sometimes the nationality problem is kinda complicated, like the chemist Osamu Shimomura in 2008. There isn't anyone whom can be really blamed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Needham (talk • contribs) 16:39, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

As it was removed from the source soon after it was published, it probably shouldn't be included in the article unless other reliable sources can be found (and if amy are found, maybe it should also be discussed on the talk page first). If the relevant Wikipedia articles are correct (which is possible, although there are no sources in any of them) dual nationality is not recognised in China but that doesn't mean it isn't recognised in the rest of the world. snigbrook (talk) 22:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

End the story please, Mr. Nobel already told us more than 100yr ago, nationality is not important, is not considered! (Allowrocks2003040957 (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

According ROC law, he may have ROC nationality but no one use their passport. 123.202.57.244 (talk) 10:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

About British nationality, there is little restriction to in the past for the citizen of the colonies. It is movement inside the Empire and not immigration to another nation. But after the new act, seems he need to pass some criteria to acquire British citizens (BC). He may not holds British nationality but in the past he have. 123.202.57.244 (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Or he acquired through marriage. 123.202.57.244 (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Alumni of the University of Greenwich

Why is he in that category? --Duncan (talk) 18:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The university claim he is the alumni. Woolwich Polytechnic (now University of Greenwich) in 1957,University of Greenwich Alumni A-L, accessed 23 July 2009

Nobel Prize use University of London, as Imperial College London is a former member. Matthew_hk tc 11:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Matthew_hk: Please stop vandalising. Get your facts right! Charles Kao is an alumni of Woolwich Polytechnic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.232.14.128 (talk) 13:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I can found tons of source, Nobel prize web site, CUHK website, Reuters. Matthew_hk tc 13:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Most sources point to the University of London, which itself is a questionable fact (depends on whether at that point of time Woolwich Polytechnic was a part of the federation). So PLEASE stop vandalising the page and put in FACTS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.232.14.128 (talk) 13:13, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Would Woolwich Polytechnic able to grant degree and/or the academic program is jointly-held by the two schools or he just take some credits? Unless have a reliable source to explain, please leave him in Imperial College London as it is the most common, most source to support. Matthew_hk tc 13:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Please see Polytechnic_(United_Kingdom) for a description of Polytechnics. And I am afraid you are the one providing facts without support (in my last edition I provided two references). Again, I request that you stop vandalising the page and get your facts right. You are a shame to the community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.232.14.128 (talk) 14:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can determine, he did his first degree at Woolwich Polytechnic and his PhD at Imperial College. Only the latter is mentioned by the Nobel website. I would ignore the University of London issue entirely, it's an umbrella organisation for the many higher education institutions in London and it doesn't do very much.Edsegal (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Woolwich Polytechnic was not allowed to issue it's own degrees so all students would have taken external degrees - most likely an external University of London Degree [2]. Imperial College was part of the University of London up until July 2007 [3]. Up until this point all of it's degrees would also have been issued by the University of London. Thus, Charles' PhD would have been a University of London PhD, although he would have also been given a DIC Diploma of Imperial College. Brendan28 (talk) 20:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

According to MeantimeAlumni (a magazine for the alumni of the University of Greenwich) he attended Woolwich Polytechnic as an internal student of the University of London, although Woolwich doesn't appear to have been part of the University (it wasn't in 1965[4] but was closely associated with it). The definition of "alumni" can be used in different ways, so both versions appear to be correct. snigbrook (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Honorary Title

From the source [5] Honorary Professors Professor KAO, Charles Kuen (高錕教授) CBE; BSc, PhD(Lond.); DSc(CUHK); DSc(Sus.); Doctorate(Soka); DEng(Glas.); DSc(Durh.); DUniv(Griff.); DTE(Padova); DSc(Hull.); DSc(Yale); FEng; FRS; FIEEE; FIEE; FHKIE; FNAE; Academican, Chinese Acad. of Sc.; Academician, Academia Scinica, Taipei

Matthew_hk tc 14:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Protection

Could we drop the protection as soon as the edit war is over? We're loosing out on a lot of improvement by having it protected now. --Apoc2400 (talk) 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I second the motion. For example, the article states that he was born "in 4 November...". One is born on a date, not in a date. He was born "on 4 November..."Writtenright (talk) 16:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)writtenright

Some citations are still needed. Who can release the strict protection?? (Allowrocks2003040957 (talk) 16:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

Also "Kao Kuen" is neither the Mandarin nor Cantonese pronunciation of his name. Its current location after the Hanji implies that it is one or the other. 74.101.177.155 (talk) 17:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Could be directly translated from Shanghainese dialect or dialects of Jiangsu/Zhejiang, 'coz Jinshan is just next to Zhejiang nowsadays. (Speakdriveyou (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

I would be happy to unprotect the article, if we can figure out a way to avoid edit wars. I'd suggest that everyone follow the one-revert rule. Sound good? kmccoy (talk) 22:27, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Probably, a full protection till the 8^th October would be too long, I mean the duration. Is there any Administrator can pay a little bit attention on this? (Buhuzu (talk) 22:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

According to Wikipedia:Protection policy#Content disputes protection is probably not necessary, as there were only three users edit warring; one is currently blocked, one has been warned, and the other appears to have stopped so the protection should probably be removed, particularly as the article is related to a current event and is linked on the main page. snigbrook (talk) 22:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

No one is even willing to respond to what I said? kmccoy (talk) 23:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to unprotect the article, in hopes that people will figure out a way to edit calmly and towards compromise. People who insist on simply reverting content they don't like, rather than attempting to find middle ground, may find themselves warned and then blocked for edit warring, regardless of whether they've violated the three-revert rule. Please try to improve rather than battle. :) Thanks. kmccoy (talk) 23:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Kao's family

Some materials about Kao's family, from Jinshan, Shanghai.

Kao was born in a big family in Chang-Yan Village (Zhangyan Village, 張堰鎮) of Jinshan, Shanghai. His grandfather was Kao Choi-Wan (Gao Chuiwan, 高吹萬), a famous poet, revolutionary, literator, and was a key figure of Nan Society (South Society, 南社) in late Qing Dynasty.

His father's uncle was astronomer Ping-Tse Kao (高平子, Kao Crater is named after him).

The famous writer Kao Hsu (Gao Xu, 高旭) was also from his extended family.

Photos

I just got permission for two photos of Kao. I recommend the the first one, but here are cropped versions of both.

Check out the uncropped versions if anyone wants to do a better crop or do something about the red eyes. OTRS confirmation is pending. --Apoc2400 (talk) 22:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I removed the editprotected template. The article is now unprotected and you can make these edits yourself. kmccoy (talk) 23:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)