Talk:Newcastle United F.C.

Stadium Name

The official stadium name has been changed to sportsdirect@st james' park. Why can't we leave it at that. Bolton play at the Reebok Stadium and Arsenal plays at Emirates Stadium don't they? I think people should respect that the club stadium is no longer "st jame's park" but "sportsdirect@st james' park". I know this is painfull for all toon supporters but unfortunately that is now the official homeground name. Please stop reverting the stadium name.220.253.221.73 (talk) 07:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Claudio Cacapa

Where is he? he hasn't left....

Bradden Inman

If someone could please insert a link to Bradden Inman in the team list it would be appreciated. His name is currently unlinked.

Additionally, as he is an Australian who has represented Scotland at an U19 level, could you please add the Australian flag beside his name along with the Scotland flag currently appearing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fußballspielen (talk • contribs) 01:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

He's a Scotland international. How does he need an Australian flag? That's not common practice. RicoRichmond (talk) 16:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Current Squad Top Scorers

I have removed the table that was being held here, as it does not belong on the talk page per the guidelines. I am pretty sure it is not permitted anywhere, but it definitely cannot be stored and updated here until someone finds a home for it. MickMacNee (talk) 17:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Testimonials

The page states that Mark Lawrence was one of the players awarded a testimonial - and the hyperlink points to the refernce below. I know we have had some duffers in our time, but surely not him

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Mark H. Lawrence, was the principal trombonist of the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra from 1974 to 2007.[1]

Lawrence was educated at the University of Michigan and the Curtis Institute of Music. His teachers have included Carlos Rivera, Allen H. Chase, Glenn Smith, M. Dee Stewart, and Glenn Dodson. He is an active soloist, clinician, chamber musician, and teacher. He has performed at the International Brass Conference, the International Trombone Association Conference, and is a frequent recitalist in the United States and abroad. He has been featured as a soloist with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra on several occasions, and has been guest artist with many other orchestras as well. He is a founding member of Summit Brass, an ensemble comprised of outstanding brass players from across America. In addition he is a frequent performer with Chicago's Music of the Baroque. Unlike other trombonists such as Joe Alessi, Mark Lawrence's sound is much more compact. Among the best aspects of his playing are his tone and clear, crystaline upper register.

He currently teaches at the San Francisco Conservatory of Music, the Colburn School and the Rafael Mendez Brass Institute. He has been on the faculty of Boston University, the Tanglewood Institute, and the Music Academy of the West, and has given master classes worldwide. Many of his former students have gone on to successful orchestral careers in the U.S. and in Europe.

^ Kosman, Joshua. "Sliding out on his own", San Francisco Chronicle, 2007-09-09. Retrieved on 2008-01-06. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lawrence" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.23.25.107 (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Does nobody actually watch this article?

Some idiot has ripped out the entire history section and the entire stadium section yet nobody has bothered to put it back? - Talk of the Toon (talk) 13:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

john Tudor

Someone might wish to add John Tudor info to this page. --  Chzz  ►  20:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Top Scorer

Surely there should be a section for top scorer each season and which division it was. Good piece of information missed out! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.137.76 (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Found this: http://www.toonarama.co.uk/players/top%20scorers/newcastle_top_scorers_history.html . It looks accurate from a few minutes of research. Unfortunately it doesn't get into the competition detail (friendlies, cups, etc). I do think it serves its purpose in highlighting an important feature of each season's squad, though.Cptnono (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Coaching Staff

Some changes that need to be made

1. Chris Hughton is currently acting as Caretaker Manager

2. First Team Coaches needs to be changed to First Team Coach as theres only one.

3. Steve Tweddle is NOT a youth coach at the club

4. David Henderson's name needs changing to Davie Henderson

5. Add Ian McGuiness as a physiotherapist

6. Need to add Chris McMenemy & Ray Gooding as Scouts, the latter just joined today after leaving Coventry at the end of alst season.

(Michaelfoster87 (talk) 23:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC))

Notable fan sites

{{editsemiprotected}} The NUFC fan site/forum Newcastle-Online has changed domain from .com to .org. Please edit the hyperlink.

Thank you,

Dave Admin, Newcastle-Online.org

 Done, thanks. ~ mazca ^t|c 20:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Newcastle training.jpg

I have uploaded this on wikicommon, [1] If anyone wants to use it then can. It's at White Hart Lane when Newcastle beat Spurs 4-1, some of the players are training before the game in it. Leave us a note if you do decide to use it. Thanks. Govvy (talk) 18:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Ownership

Newcastle has been taken off the market and is not currently up for sale —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.49.44 (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Badge

Hello,guys.Please could someone tell me what are those horses with fish tail called in heraldry? I really need it. Thanks! Nicholson1989 ; talk

They're sea-horses, according to the club's website. The crest is based on the Coat of Arms of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne, blazoned here. Tonywalton ^Talk 17:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Chris Hughton - English or Irish?

Chris Hughton's little flag in the infobox is pingponging between Irish and English at the moment. Could we reach a consensus on which applies (or use both)? The Chris Hughton article describes him as an English-born Irish former footballer [who] was a full Republic of Ireland international so either flag appears to be applicable, depending on whether it means "place of birth" or "national affiliation". Tonywalton ^Talk 17:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

My 2c worth - as a player, he had an affiliation with the Republic of Ireland. Currently, in his role as assistant/caretaker manager, he has no affiliation with Ireland, so it should be English. However, I think players who were born in one country but represents another should have both flags (eg. Shola Ameobi [Nigeria/England], Frank Wiafe Danquah [Ghana/Netherlands], Bradden Inman [Australia/Scotland], etc...) - TheMightyPeanut —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMightyPeanut (talk • contribs) 16:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Current Squad

Why are random names going into the squad sections? Should the article be semi-protected again?Cptnono (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I would agree, actually, there's no need for the squad section to be updated till 1 July 2009 anyway! TheMightyPeanut (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed that Bradden Inman's flag has been changed a few times. I did it once before hearing the recent news. It sounds like he played for Australia's youth team but just recently expressed intererest in playing for Scotland since he wasn't called up and ass tri-citizenship. It sin't a big deal either way but it looks like he should have the Aussie flag until commitments are made from both the player and Scotland. Any thoughts?Cptnono (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I have requested semi-protection for all of the recent other players that do not actually exist being added, Sandcastle FC, not a big club rant, etc edits by IP's.Cptnono (talk) 22:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely with Cptnono in regards to Inman, and I have dug up a source for you all to show Inman still refers to himself as Australian: http://www.nufcblog.com/2009/06/02/newcastle-spotlight-on-youth-17-year-old-brad-inman/ The website it self is that of a Newcastle supporter, it clearly mentions Brad Inman as Australian and he Inman is quoted as saying: “I did think if I can come over to Newcastle then the next step is to try to play for Australia.” So in regards to the well documented nature of his choice as Scotland it is not true as there are still harboured dreams of representing Australia, and he still sees himself as Australian, not Scottish. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patmeek (talk • contribs) 07:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I had to change my position on it when he played for Scotland. According to MOS:FLAG we have to use his "sporting nationality". If Australia does say he is being considered and things do pan out with him pursuing Australia it will get complicated. The source mentioned also says "Inman says his current preference is to continue playing for the Scotland youth teams" so it is a little confusing of what his childhood dreams were, his ambitions are now, what will happen if he doesn't continue with Newcastle and so on. It just isn't clear so who he has played for is a good back up. We can always use neither to prevent confusion if needed but that could be worse. "Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense; flags should only indicate the sportsperson's national squad/team or sporting nationality."Cptnono (talk) 17:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Transfers 2008/09

I removed this section from this page. It already appears on the Newcastle United 2008/09 season page, which seems to be more correct anyway. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 00:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)TheMightyPeanut

That looks like a good idea to me. Transfers in a given season in the article on that given season. It also avoids having two things to keep in sync. Apologies if this (which I reverted) was you, but without an edit summary...Tonywalton ^Talk 00:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

No, it wasn't me, but whoever made that edit make me think about the relevance of the transfers section on the main NUFC page... TheMightyPeanut (talk) 18:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)TheMightyPeanut

Shearer? Not Shearer?

I'm seriously considering putting this page on WP:RFPP until there is a definitive statement from NUFC regarding the return or otherwise as manager of Shearer. As far as I can see from the news sources (BBC, Sky, etc) are all either reporting with weasel words such as "BBC Sport understands or are reporting what each other are saying (notably Reuters who are reporting what they've seen on the telly). nufc.com are at least remaining neutral-ish, saying "A Thursday press conference has been mentioned - but as of 12 noon, nothing had been forthcoming direct from SJP or Shearer - despite multiple media claims of behind the scenes "club insider" type briefings. " Let's not forget it is 1st April and it's entirely possible for April Fools jokes and similar misunderstandings to gain lives of their own. Tonywalton ^Talk 16:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It would be a particularly cruel April fools joke! I've added a hidden comment next to the manager's name advising against adding Shearer as manager until we have it confirmed. If people keep adding it, it would be worth requesting semi-protection. – Toon^(talk) 16:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Come to that if it gets silly enough and we reach consensus here I'll just click the "protect" tag myself. As for the possibility of it's being a joke, these things can snowball, even when not meant as a joke. I find it a little puzzling that the news media are still merely repeating each other. Tonywalton ^Talk 16:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm doubtful it is a joke, not least because Sky Sports broke the "news" on March 31st - hopefully that means it's not an April fool. If so, it's tricked all of the major news sites... but that doesn't mean that it's complete - plus even those news reports say that he "will be appointed" - he clearly isn't the manager right now. – Toon^(talk) 16:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I'm doubtful as well, but there's nothing verifiable. As for tricking all of he major news sources, when you get Reuters (who supply news sources) reporting what they've seen reported, then that report (tagged "Reuters") appears somewhere else, which is taken as "having been reported"... For a classic case of one apparently reputable source being accepted by other sources, which acceptance leads to further acceptance, see Amarna Princess (though I'm not suggesting any malicious intent in the Shearer thing). Tonywalton ^Talk 17:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

NUFC ARE CURRENTLY MANGERLESS AS SHEARER'S AND KINEAR'S CONTRACTRS HAVE EXPIRED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.240.247 (talk) 14:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Honours

The listing for the 95/96 and 96/97 seasons refer to the First Division. Should this not be the Premier League?

Also, the 92/93 season lists Newcastle as winning the 2nd Division, rather than the first.ImaginingTheGreenIsRed (talk) 03:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Watch this article please

Two instances of vandalism have had to be reverted in as many days. Great Unwashed - what an insult to Sunderland! Digifiend (talk) 12:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

This article has a high rate of vandalism. Unfortunately, an admin did not grant a previous request to semi protect the article until the end of the season since it is not high enough. Basically, editors who care have to put it on their watch list as you suggested.Cptnono (talk) 01:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

League

I noticed there was a back and forth on the league. I was trying to think of a good time for it to be switched (now, first friendly, first day of the season, etc) I was thinking a good point would be when RS like BBC switch their web pages. Right now, NUFC is under EPL at their football site but this will obviously change sooner or later.Cptnono (talk) 20:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It has however changed on some parts of the sky sports website Carrnage93 (talk) 20:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

This isn't obvious. The EPL Premier League Handbook, Rule B.28, says "Subject to Rule B.29, the bottom 3 clubs in the table at the end of the Season shall be relegated to the Football League". B.29 deals with clubs which leave the Premier League during the season (go bust, for example) so isn't relevant. The "Season" is defined as "the period commencing on the date of the first League Match on the League fixture list and ending on the date of the last". So far so clear, but I can't find anything in there which says when relegation actually becomes effective. There's a rule about a relegated club giving back its share in the Premier League, and various things about broadcasting rights, but I can't see any time limits or "effictive from" dates. The Football League website doesn't appear to have any links to their formal rules at all. Just out of interest though, both the Premier League and the Football League websites are still showing the 2008-09 team lists. Tonywalton ^Talk 23:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice! The rule would lead me to believe it is effective immediately. We could just go by when the leagues actually gets around to updating their sites to prevent any confusion. This must have been dealt with before on Wikipedia but it really isn't a big deal. I would personally prefer not to have editors reverting it back and forth but besides that it will be changing eventually.Cptnono (talk) 23:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Bryan 'Pop' Robson

Surely Pop Robson deserves a mention, top scorer for several seasons in the late 60s / early 70s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.195.47 (talk) 08:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

2009/10 Kits

I'm not too sure if anyone noticed yet but the kit represented on the general Newcastle United page and the 2009/10 page does not match the current kit. It would be great if someone could rectify this discrepancy. Same goes for the away kit as well.

The home kit can be seen here: http://www.epltalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/new-newcastle-united-home-shirt.jpg

The away kit can be seen here: http://www.footballshirtculture.com/images/stories/newcastle-united-09-10-adidas-kits.jpg

WMXX (talk) 14:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

History section a bit out of hand?

The "History" section in the main article seems to be getting a bit bloated, especially considering there's a whole separate history article as well. Time to prune it a little, maybe? Tonywalton ^Talk 08:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to do it yourself. but make sure no information is lost from here that is not put in the History article. MickMacNee (talk) 11:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy to sofixit (and for that matter WP:BB, but I thought I'd mention it here first before some nasty edit war ensues. Perhaps I spend too much time on WP:AN/I, but you'd be amazed at how much people think they WP:OWN stuff! Tonywalton ^Talk 13:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Captain

Stop bickering over who the captain is. If Smith is temporary he is temporary. If he is permanent he is permanent. Find a source and use it already.Cptnono (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

True or false

An IP has just added that newc has been bought for 95 000 000 is this true or false? Off2riorob (talk) 10:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. If a reliable source can't be provided, it doesn't belong here. If and when it is official there will be plenty of coverage and can be added in then.--ClubOranje^T 12:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I knew it was false but I was out of reverts, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 12:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Stadium rename

A lot of edits today about this, there are some articles releasing this and going along with the rename, something should be added, but what..have a look Off2riorob (talk) 17:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC) also here according to bbc newcastle. Off2riorob (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Nothing needs to be added here wrt tp the infobox, SJP is still the name of the stadium article, and the common name of the stadium, and we do not include sponsorship names in infoboxes. The nature of this 'rename', which isn't even a permanent sponsorship tie-up but rather a temporary move, is already adequately explained in the stadium article. MickMacNee (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Reference-Link incorrect

The link http://www.weltfussballarchiv.com/Vereinsprofil.php?ID=4179&lang=en is changed to http://www.weltfussballarchiv.com/Vereinsprofilnew.php?ID=4179. 23:43, 6 November 2009 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fußballgott (talk • contribs)

Tim Krul

Tim Krul makes flying saves so why dont we put him in

Tim Krul

Tim Krul makes flying saves so why dont we put him in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.11.218 (talk) 12:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

What? Off2riorob (talk) 12:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Sponsership

Why is Puma listed as the new kit sponser when its only rumoured?