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born ... Birmingham, England, moved to Belfast at 5 months old

I reverted the above information which was added by an anon IP. It may be correct, but I couldn't find any evidence for it, so it needs a citation. Richard W.M. Jones 22:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the same just now. Please, anon IPs, add a verifiable reference if it's true. Richard W.M. Jones 22:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Funny how this guy is "British"

But others from Northern ireland are refered to as Irish... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.35.102 (talk) 19:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stormin' Stormont

Can I just say two things: 1. WTF?!? 2. Yeooooooooooooooo!--feline1 12:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GUBU crosses the border... Demiurge 12:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GUB: rather then GUBU ! 2yellowcards 14:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'He will go back in prison'

Isn't that the case of no brown stuff Sherlock. RMC1989 20:29, 24 November 2006

when you consider that some retard let him OUT in the first place, I wouldn't be surprised if they still let him out, in case they "damage the peace process".

There's nothing like a measured, well considered and balanced comment to capture the moment. Well done you.The Boy that time forgot 23:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the reference to "Greater London Authority" to "Greater London Council", as the GLA didn't exist at the time.

The link may need to be changed accordingly.

Stormont Attack = Art

There's nothing in the article about Stone claiming his attack on Stormont was art, and the acting out of a "real" terror attack. Should it be added?

definitely, hes an artist not a killer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.99.11 (talk) 20:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spide?

I'm surprised that we can't mention in the article that Stone is a good example of what is colloquially known as a spide. If wikipedia can have an article on the term spide, surely that term becomes usable in other articles? I appreciate that (i) it's a subjective judgement and (ii) a pejorative term - but does this mean the article cannot note that many of Stone's countrymen would apply the term to him? --feline1 15:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has articles on lots of pejorative POV terms, that doesn't give us a license to go around applying them to people. Even if you found a reliable source that called Stone a "spide" (which you haven't), it's still an inherently POV term with no clear definition. Demiurge 16:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of "source" would you need. I, for example, am born in raised in NornIrond, and thus have been using that slang term all my life. I would call Michael Stone a spide. How else can slang from dialects be "sourced" other than by people who use that dialect?--feline1 16:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The kind of source that I'd need would be a reliable source. Plenty of slang words can be properly sourced — look at Scanger for examples. If you can't source it, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Demiurge 16:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You mean if *one* cannot source it, it doesn't belong in wikipedia. My personal abilities to source things are irrelevant. --feline1 23:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Is this a joke?! Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 09:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is performance art :) --feline1 11:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! If you had called Johnny Adair a spide on his page, I might have agreed! Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 11:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well he's a spide too. But I imagine some busybody would require me to reference Stephen Nolan saying so in BBC Radio Ulster before wikipedia could acknowledge the fact :0/--feline1 12:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

==Membership of the UDA== The article states that Stone was arrested at the age of 16 for firearms possession and membership in the UDA, but the UDA was not outlawed until 1992. When Stone was 16 years old in 1971, the UDA was still legal.jeanne (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Artist

hehe. Well, I'm not going to remove that! I don't know how yer man on UTV kept a straight face reporting that last night. It deserves a complete quote here; about Stone trying to kill Adams and McGuinness as his artistic means to say goodbye to the paramilitary Michael Stone and signal the arrival of the artist, Michael Stone. Inspired- maybe he is actually an artist (or else his insanity-conscious lawyer is- ahem). 193.203.136.185 (talk) 06:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about the fact that Transporter 2 was dedicated to him? It's in the end of the movie just of the start of the "scroll text": this film is dedicated to the memory of Michael Stone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.94.248.244 (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

loyalist paramilitary ... or simply ... terrorist ?

TBH, the (loyalist paramilitary) disambiguator seems a bit POV-ish to me as a non-expert. So what's the difference? 78.34.145.215 (talk) 17:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know what's even more POV? Calling Irish republican terrorists 'volunteers'. Wikipedia already has a nationalist bias. 86.0.211.124 (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i think we should call him a freedom fighter 84.70.56.157 (talk) 10:22, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IRA terrorists aren't even described as "paramilitary" on wikipedia, they are volunteers, who went on active service. Wikipedia is basically An Phoblacht in encyclopaedia form. To say loyalist paramilitary is POV seems like you have a personal axe to grind against loyalists. This article doesn't even mention that 10000 people were attending a terrorist IRA funeral, so essentially there were no civilians there at all. Therefore Stone is not a terrorist.Trickyjack (talk) 16:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To the loyal sons of Ulster above see WP:TERRORIST. BigDunc 19:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed BigDunc, that page rightly says that "paramilitary" is non-neutral. That doesn't stop people like you using paramilitary to describe loyalists and "volunteer" to describe Republicans. Glad to see you know who is loyal to Ulster btw. Trickyjack (talk) 17:09, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do this organisation call it's performace artists volunteer, if yes I would support its inclusion here. If not then no. BigDunc 17:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't matter what an organisation calls its own members. Al Qaeda members are often described as terrorists on wikipedia, clearly they don't see themselves that way. One wonders why provos members aren't treated the same way. Surely wikipedia isn't biased in favor of Republican terrorism? Trickyjack (talk) 16:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 Indeed BigDunc, that page rightly says that "paramilitary" is non-neutral. That doesn't stop people like you using paramilitary to describe loyalists and "volunteer" to describe Republicans. Glad to see you know who is loyal to Ulster btw. [[User:Trickyjack|Trickyjack]] ([[User talk:Trickyjack|talk]]) 17:09, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 : Do this organisation call it's ''performace artists'' volunteer, if yes I would support its inclusion here. If not then no. <span style="border:1px solid green;padding:0px;">[[User_talk:BigDunc|<font style="color:orange;background:green;font-family:Verdana;">'''BigDunc'''</font>]]</span> 17:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
+It shouldn't matter what an organisation calls its own members. Al Qaeda members are often described as terrorists on wikipedia, clearly they don't see themselves that way. One wonders why provos members aren't treated the same way. Surely wikipedia isn't biased in favor of Republican terrorism? [[User:Trickyjack|Trickyjack]] ([[User talk:Trickyjack|talk]]) 16:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)