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Do you have a pin of this?

Hey, do you have a real photograph of this pin? Image:Star Trek Film OF3a.png If you don't, I was planning on putting in an edited photo of it so it will match the others. Jecowa 04:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and put up an edited photo of it, but feel free to replace it if you take a photo of the real thing. Thanks for all the awesome photos! Jecowa 03:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image tagging for Image:MCPO 2nd Class.jpg

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Coupla questions

Posed a couple of questions on the Starfleet ranks etc. talk page. Would appreciate your response. --EEMeltonIV 03:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit an article's talk page the same way you can an article or my talk page. Please also sign your comments with ~~~~ at the end. Most importantly, though, please on the article talk page articulate a rationale for a) the separate table that illustrates just a color change and b) keeping MCPO2 separate. These additions add unnecessary clutter to the article, especially at lower resolutions. --EEMeltonIV 04:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free use disputed for Image:MCPO 2nd Class.jpg

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Orphaned non-free image (Image:MCPO 2nd Class.jpg)

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Image copyright problem with Image:MCPO 2nd Classb.jpg

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:MCPO 2nd Classb.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Jusjih 14:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Starfleet ranks and insignia

Hello, can you discuss the changes you wish to make to the article on the article's talk page? Edit warring to keep the content you want in the article isn't the proper way to handle it. Check out Wikipedia:Resolving disputes for more information. Dreadstar † 05:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing to consider is that the content you want to add to the article would need to be adequately sourced for it to be included. I recommend suggesting a section be added to the article for such non-canon information. Here's an older discussion on the subject of non-canon content: Wikipedia:Non-canon Star Trek. Dreadstar † 07:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While I have your attention, can you explain the source of those images of Starfleet insignia that you uploaded? Is it jewelry that you own and/or made, and scanned / took pictures of, or...? DS 14:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I answered your concerns about that article here. Hope it helps. -OberRanks (talk) 14:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly unfree Image:Starfleetflans44.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Starfleetflans44.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Powers ^T 12:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Flans. I'm sorry you didn't see the notice I placed on your talk page in time to bring up your concerns at our discussion area. The reason I nominated that image and not the others is because I was using it as a test case. I was hoping to stimulate some discussion on whether those images are acceptable or not.

Of course, as Future Perfect points out, the Public Domain tag you placed on those images is not acceptable; you don't own the designs depicted in those photographs, and thus you cannot release them into the public domain. (Your images are derivative works.) I would suggest that if you wish to keep the other images from that article, you should tag them with an appropriate Non-free use rationale.

-- Powers ^T 23:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just got off the phone with my lawyer. I own the pins that I took the photos of. You cannot copyright a pin but any picture you take is in fact yours. This just simply is not a "derivitive work." Design has nothing to do with the issue. If I take a picture of a car, I own the picture, the designers of the car can't claim ownership of the picture that I took. --Flans44 23:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you Flans, it's just that there are too many people out there with the kind of idea you are reading above. I really dont understand the logic about taking a picture of a rank pin means it falls under Paramount copyright. If that were true, then every personal photo taken at a Star Trek convention, which has people wearing Star Trek uniforms, would belong to Paramount since the insignia on those uniforms, seen in these personal photos, are "copyrighted". Or at least that is what this logic would have us believe. Another issue came up on Wikipedia Commons about the rank pips from the newer series. I know very little about the Commons but there were people saying that four gold circles in row were copyright violations and even "****" was a violation since it weas implying the "copyrighted" Captain insignia from the Next Generation. My point is I gave up on this nonsense long ago and now devote myself to Memory Alpha. It is a far easier bunch to work with when dealing with this kind of thing. You would be welcome over there I think. Perhaps we'll meet again. -OberRanks (talk) 03:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the pin can be copyrighted. Your lawyer either misunderstood you, or you misunderstood your lawyer. It is true that you own the pictures. That is absolutely true. However, the pictures, while owned by you, are still derivative works, and while you can license your photography however you like, you cannot license the pin design, and it is not free for use as Wikipedia requires. Paramount/CBS owns that pin design. Pictures, taken at conventions, that contain the copyrighted designs would usually be accepted under the principle of de minimis use -- the copyrighted designs are not the main focus of the image. In your case, the copyrighted design is the sole focus of the image.

The intricacies of copyright law are complex and hard to understand. What seems like common sense -- "I took this picture, therefore I can do whatever I want with it" -- doesn't always apply. On Wikipedia, we require one of two things: 1) images that are completely or effectively completely free from copyright, or licensed under a free-use license, or 2) a very strong rationale for using non-free images. Unfortunately, your images of Starfleet insignia have neither.

Flans, we want your contributions, but they have to conform to our requirements. If you're having trouble understanding the details of copyright law, you're not alone. I would suggest dropping by the Wikimedia Commons and reading up on their copyright pages. They have extensive experience with this sort of thing and their articles explain things very well.

Thanks! -- Powers ^T 12:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Starfleet Insignia

I just got off the phone with my lawyer. I own the pins that I took the photos of. You cannot copyright a pin but any picture you take is in fact yours. This just simply is not a "derivitive work." Design has nothing to do with the issue. If I take a picture of a car, I own the picture, the designers of the car can't claim ownership of the picture that I took. --Flans44 23:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Lawyers and what not

Look. I don't know who you are and I highly doubt that you have council retained for matter like this, but when you post in multiple places about "having your lawyer on the phone", it brings us very close to violating wikipedia's policy about legal threats. Please be mindful of the concern this may cause other editors and use dispute resolution to solve your issues with content or other editors. If you feel the image that was deleted was done so incorrectly, you may appeal the deletion through deletion review. Other avenues, such as haranguing the deleting admin or asking a different admin to restore the image, will probably prove fruitless. Remember, deletion of an image doesn't mean that your contributions are not wanted, just that a particular image was misindentified. If I can help with anything, please let me know. Protonk (talk) 01:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please also read WP:NFCC. Even in the unlikely event you to have an attorney working on this (and note again WP:NLT), contributions must be in the bounds of Wikipedia's policy/attitude toward copyright, not your attorney's. --EEMIV (talk) 02:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Starfleetinsig.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Starfleetinsig.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --EEMIV (talk) 05:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a fair-use rationale to justify Wikipedia's use of your derivative image. --EEMIV (talk) 05:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey dude, we are obviously both trying to make this a good article. I am just not a pro at Wikipedia. Can you please just help me instead of pointing out what I can't do. I don't have the time for all of this.

Thanks, --Flans44 05:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

You might want to ask for help at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Powers ^T 13:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Powers I thought I did that. As far as I can tell I put in the thing about non-free use and put in a rationale. Can you personally tell me if there is something wrong I did. I just really want to be able to make this a good article. Unfortunately people like EEMIV are hellbent on being a pain and not offering any real help. With his name calling of this being a derivative image and such. It just simply doesn't fit the definition. Can you please just help me? Any would be greatly appreciated. --Flans44 15:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

So Powers, I have now added a rationale. Is there something else that I need to do now to keep my image from being automatically deleted? --Flans44 16:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me, although it is a derivative image. You'll also need to do the same for each of the images in that article -- they all have the same problem and the same potential solution. If you still have questions or concerns, the nice people at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions would be happy to answer them with a little more definitiveness than I can. Powers ^T 17:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at it Powers. This article has been looked at and reviewed by Wikipedia so many times. Why is it that only now there is a problem? I don't have time to worry about all of the other photos. I'll worry about them on an "as needed" basis. If this becomes too much of a problem I may just have to leave the article behind and unfortunately the article will greatly suffer. --Flans44 18:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Possibly unfree File:Starfleetinsig real.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Starfleetinsig real.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Powers ^T 13:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That file has now been deleted; as such, I've listed the rest of the insignia images you uploaded as well. You can find the entry at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2009 October 13#Star Trek insignia if you have any interest. Powers ^T 23:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you didn't see this notice in time to correct any problems with the images. You'll note that they've all been deleted because they were not free images. If you think they can still be of use in the article, you'll have to ask the deleting administrator to undelete them, and then you will have to provide valid non-free use rationales for each of them. Powers ^T 12:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I apologize that you didn't see the notice before the images were deleted. The reason I did not pursue deletion of these images a year ago is because at the time, you added a fair-use rationale to the one image under discussion. I had hoped that you would do the same for the other images. When I recently came upon this set of images again, I noticed that they still had no fair-use rationale. At that point, the infringing content had been here too long for me to ignore it any longer, so I nominated them for deletion. At any time, you or anyone else could have come in with reasons why they should be kept but no one did. No action on Wikipedia is irreversible, though; you can follow the advice I gave you above and have the files undeleted just as easily as they were deleted. Tossing around insults and invective, however, won't have the same productive results. Powers ^T 14:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At any time you could have sent me a message before nominating them for deletion. There was never even a message on the discussion page of the article when the recent deletions were happening. Which pic were we discussing that I added the rationale too? I'll gladly add the same fair-use rationale to the others as well. In the future just reach out to me to make the article better and in the future I'll hold off on the insults. My apologies. Can you help me make this work for the good of the article? I'm no Wikipedia pro and don't even know who to go to for undeletion and what to do. Thanks. --Flans44 (talk) 15:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a message right here letting you know that deletion was being considered. It's right up at the top of this section. Again, I'm sorry you didn't see it, but there's only so much I can do to notify you. As I said above, if you contact the admin who deleted the images, you can ask him or her to undelete them so that you can add fair-use rationales, although I'm honestly not 100% sure whether they really fit our guidelines for non-free use. Powers ^T 15:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So if you're not sure about whether or not that fits does that mean that down the road you may flag them for deletion again if I go through this process to have them restored? I just don't want to go to any more trouble on this article if it is a lost cause. For some people this may be easy stuff but I'm not great at wikipedia and this will take me a lot of time to do. Thanks. --Flans44 (talk) 16:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's definitely not easy at all! But there are lots of people who are willing to help, if you know where to ask. =) For myself, I don't think I have any interest in drawing this out, so I don't think I'll be trying to get the images deleted if they have fair-use rationales. Powers ^T 17:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So Powers, who is the deleting admin? How do I find that out so that I can contact he/she to undelete them? Thanks --Flans44 (talk) 04:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just click on the redlink and you'll see the deletion log. Powers ^T 15:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found it, thanks! --Flans44 (talk) 18:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Powers, I just added rationales to the pins that were un-deleted and put them back in the article. Can you see any other potential problems with my images or the article? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! --Flans44 (talk) 08:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Starfleetinsig real.jpg still has no rationale. For the others, I would personally have suggested using the Template:Non-free use rationale, because it ensures that the major points at WP:NFCC are all covered, but what you have written on the image pages is probably all right. Powers ^T 13:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Powers, as of yesterday File:Starfleetinsig real.jpg was still deleted. Good to see it back up now. I'll get the rationale added to the pic sometime today before adding it back to the article. I'll have a look at Template:Non-free use rationale as well. I actually just went off of what I saw from some of the other pics used in that article as they have been there for a while and they seem to have been safe. Thanks again for your help! --Flans44 (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Website Invite

You might enjoy my website [1]. I actually have some very good rank and insignia pages, and unlike Wikipedia they can't be deleted! -OberRanks (talk) 11:11, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ober, I'll check it out this weekend! Feel free to use my images there if you'd like! --Flans44 (talk) 15:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Flans44. You have new messages at Drilnoth's talk page.
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Possibly unfree images (WP:PUI)

You may be interested in the uploads listed there today. Thanks, Black Kite 22:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. Yes these are my images of items that I own. Is it a matter of me using the wrong licensing codes or what do I need to do to keep them up? --Flans44 (talk) 22:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they appear to be copied from a copyrighted site... even if they're not, merely making your own versions is copyright violation. Sorry to be problematic about this, but that's the case ... perhaps the article would be OK with a single example? Black Kite 01:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are my images. Not sure about a single example. It is a single example for each rank. Basically I took one image and edited it in photoshop to create a pic for each rank. I don't think Star Trek owns this braid anyway as it was also used in the original Ten Commandments movie. I think it would be hard to say it is copyright infringement because Star Trek isn't the originator of the braid anyway. What do you think? --Flans44 (talk) 08:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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	:: Well, they appear to be copied from a copyrighted site... even if they're not, merely making your own versions is copyright violation. Sorry to be problematic about this, but that's the case ... perhaps the article would be OK with a single example? <b>[[User talk:Black Kite\|<font color="black">Black Kite</font>]]</b> 01:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)		:: Well, they appear to be copied from a copyrighted site... even if they're not, merely making your own versions is copyright violation. Sorry to be problematic about this, but that's the case ... perhaps the article would be OK with a single example? <b>[[User talk:Black Kite\|<font color="black">Black Kite</font>]]</b> 01:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

			No, they are my images. Not sure about a single example. It is a single example for each rank. Basically I took one image and edited it in photoshop to create a pic for each rank. I don't think Star Trek owns this braid anyway as it was also used in the original Ten Commandments movie. I think it would be hard to say it is copyright infringement because Star Trek isn't the originator of the braid anyway. What do you think? --[[User:Flans44\|Flans44]] ([[User talk:Flans44#top\|talk]]) 08:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)