User talk:HJ Mitchell

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Khojaly Massacre

The protection of the page on the version advocated by some does not accord to the requested consensus by the same protection. Neither does it encourage those users to be more constructive. The request for edit was not even requesting the deletion of the claim. It was a request to input that the issue is being discussed. What were the bases for rejection considering this? Aregakn (talk) 04:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I declined it because {{editprotected}} is only for uncontroversial requests or those that have consensus because bold, revert, discuss is a lot more difficult when only admins can edit the page. The protection expires tomorrow anyway, so you can make the edit yourself. Sorry, 16:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Understood. But I thought marking that the sentence (for which the edit-wars started and the page was protected) is disputed and link it to the discussion is an uncontraversial change, because it just projected the reality :). Regards, Aregakn (talk) 12:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC) Aregakn (talk) 12:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Pst... can you keep an eye on the article? it is again becoming a battle-ground :(. Aregakn (talk) 21:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll add it to my watchlist. Anything in particular I should be looking for or just the usual edit warring? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The edit warring in general. There's an editor that doesn't want to edit after discussions and compromise and he jumped into it just at once after the block on the article was lifted. He did the same thing on Karabakh Khanate Article. I remember the WP:TE speaks of this type of behavior. There's also a big Arbitration case against a large group of editors conducting their actions on Wikipedia and harassing people in real life now taking place in Ru.WP ru:Википедия:Заявки на арбитраж/Азербайджанский список рассылки where the editors involved in these and other articles in En.WP are participating. Don't know if it's relevant. Aregakn (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, well if anybody specifically is edit warring or generally causing trouble or making a nuisance of themselves on en.wiki, I might be able to do something, but unfortunately what happens on ru.wiki will have to be dealt with by the admins there. I'm keeping an eye on things there, though, don't worry. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they do have to deal with that themselves, but if the editors are conspiring and agreeing on every move (on en.wiki too) it should be brought up here too, right? Maybe I should file an Arbitration on en.wiki soon oo. Thanks for watching! Aregakn (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I did some poking around and it looks like it's already subject to discretionary sanctions from a previous arbitration case, so if there's anyone being particularly disruptive, I can take action as an uninvolved admin. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Grandmaster, Brandmeister and Parishan are the most active. But they have calmed down due to these activities now. I think they're busy with the case at the moment.

From their conversations it is obvious they have a connection to the Azeri media and press as well and they are putting recruiting announcements on them periodically calling for edit-warring in Wikipedia. As a result there's now this whole thing taking place. I have invited the attention of Admins to it on ANI once or twice.

So now we have a group of 26 members under arbitratin. And these are yet the ones that could have been spotted. Also it's a closed circle, in a way, and I wonder how many miscellaneous editors we have of this type. Aregakn (talk) 07:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Your Signature

Hi HJ Mitchell, Just wanted know how you created your signature with some nice colors, font etc. Wanted to learn and also wanted to change my signature. KuwarOnline (talk) 09:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk page stalker here, but since I recently wondered the same thing, I thought I would give you a helping hand to pass time before HJ can possibly give a more precise answer. I learnt from this tutorial: User:Smurrayinchester/Tutorial/Signature. I did also use alot of trial and error however. I'll also give a rough guide to the layout you should put in the box in your preferences:

'''[[User:Taelus|<font color="#007FAA">Taelus</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Taelus|<font color="#AA22CC">'''Talk'''</font>]])

It is very similar to what the default signature is, except with added font tags to allow colour change. If your looking for colours, and their hexidecimal codes, check out List of colours. It has a huge list, and shows the codes for each one. Hope this helps, I don't know any of the more complex tricks though! --Taelus (Talk) 12:15, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Another talk page stalker here... Unicode is a useful trick, too: I've (temporarily) used it in my signature for the talk page link:

[[User:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOWR</b>]]^{[[User talk:TFOWR|<span style="color:#f00">ɹʍoʄʇ</span>]]}

Cheers, TFOWR^ɹʍoʄʇ 12:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

hey thanks bro...the link User:Smurrayinchester/Tutorial/Signature was really helpful and explanation above, thanks again KuwarOnline (talk) 14:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

These talk page stalkers are handy! It took me a lot longer to figure out how to do it! In case you;re wondering, the code for mine is [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]]. Have fun with your fancy new sig! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reply and code KuwarOnline (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

2010 FIFA World Cup squads

Hi HJ Mitchell, I noticed that you were the admin who initially semi-protected this page and now I'm asking you to do it again. Ever since protection ended the page has been bombarded with misinformation from IP addresses and new, inexperienced users. It really could use semi-protection again, at least until the tournament ends on July 11. It's becoming a real hassle having to undo all the wrong information so it would be much appreciated, thanks. --Spartan008 (talk) 12:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Let me have a look. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

You've got mail...

...sorry, this is becoming a habit ;-) TFOWR^{idle vapourings} 12:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll check it in a mo! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

HJ, hope you don't mind but I made the necessary administrivial edits to make the nomination live. (Not to steal your credit, just to get the ball rolling.) -- llywrch (talk) 16:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent! Here we go! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Klemens Murańka

Hello HJ Mitchell, could you post a copy of a recently deleted article to my sub-page? Yes, there is always one lone voice out there never satisfied :-). The article Klemens Murańka was recently deleted through consensus at a AFD, as shown by the previous supplied link. I believe, in the near future, we will be able to bring this piece up to the standards required under notability guidelines. Thanks for your help. Regards. ShoesssS ^Talk 18:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Certainly, give me a moment. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

May I help you? KzKrann (talk) 22:15, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks appreciate the quick respone....and of course....all help is welcome....This is Wikipedia :-). ShoesssS ^Talk 02:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

John Wooden

Could you take a look at my edit request at Talk:John Wooden? Thanks. Connormah (talk | contribs) 21:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Done :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, according to the article, he's been in hospital since May 27 (or was it 26?). Could you update that to reflect that, and cite the article? Thanks. Connormah (talk | contribs) 23:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking of lowering the protection, now that it's calmed down a bit. What do you think? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I guess it's worth giving it a try. Maybe semi-protection for the next week? Connormah (talk | contribs) 23:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I've reduced it to semi for the original duration. I can always extend it or put it back up to full protection if need be, but let's how that goes. Btw, any chance I could tempt you into a second RfA? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure at this point. I have exams coming up, so I wouldn't be able to pay too much attention to the questions and all. Maybe this summer, but thanks. Connormah (talk | contribs) 00:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll just continue stalking you then! ;) Seriously though, any time you change your mind, I'd be more than happy to nominate you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. The main reason for my RfA sinking last time was my knowledge of the CSD criteria, but I think I have at least some decent knowledge of it (though I really won't touch into CSD). My main use for the tools would probably be vandal fighting, and possibly some RFPP. I'm still not entirely sure, I've had a couple rejected RFPP reports, mainly due toi lack of recent activity (which I understand the reasoning behind, but it may sink an RfA) Connormah (talk | contribs) 00:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

We're all human. I don't generally work in CSD and I avoid A7 like the plague! I deal with the odd bit of spam and attack pages, other than that I stick to G6 and G7/U1. I think the vast majority of your RfPP are accurate and it can be pretty subjective so I doubt a few declined requests would sink an RfA as long as you know the protection policy. There's always a need for more admins at AIV (and RfPP for that matter). I reckon you'd have a pretty good chance and it's been just over 4 months since your last one... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good. This time, hopefully I'll have more time to respond thoroughly to the questions (assuming I get pounded by them), and not get tripped up. I'm also concerned that I may get opposed for lack of content creation. I'll leave a note here when I feel I'm ready. Thanks again. Connormah (talk | contribs) 01:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

All right then, I'll look forward to it. :) And there's a simple way to solve that- it's not too difficult to write a reasonable article and get it on DYK, at least then you'd have something to point at and you'd probably enjoy it- never hurts to broaden your horizons. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you have this all sorted out. As HJ says, DYK's aren't that much work, just follow the rules and you'll be fine. Courcelles (talk) 02:19, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

ITN

I jsut undid your edit to T:ITN, as the words you changed made little sense in light of the entire blurb- you left it reading; "Naoto Kan (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Japan by the Diet, following the resignation of Yukio Hatoyama.". If that's the wording you want, "by the Diet" needs to go. Courcelles (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oops! That's embarrassing! Thanks for the heads up! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

You are appreciated

If I could find the template for the "being the only admin we ever see at RPP" barnstar, I'd give you one. (Barnstar that is). DuncanHill (talk) 01:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Well thank you! It's nice to be appreciated! It would be even nicer to have more admins at RPP, though! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I can't provide you with more admins (for some unaccountable reason I don't have the ability to create them), you'll have to make do with this -

		The Admin's Barnstar
		for tireless and often single-handed work at RPP DuncanHill (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Like I say, nice to be appreciated ;). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Bling, bling!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For doing an outstanding job with your mop. Keep it up! ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 03:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Well thank you very much, NSD! It's always good to hear from you, especially when you come bearing gifts! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Template semi-protection

Good morning. I noticed that you recently semi-protected a number of nav box templates including Template:FOSS and Template:Linux even though neither has a history of vandalism. I started a discussion on both at Template_talk:FOSS#Semi-protection and Template_talk:Linux#Semi-protection respectively and I was wondering if you could add a few words as to why you believe this step was needed? - Ahunt (talk) 12:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. Generally "highly visible" templates are either semi or full protected even when there's no history of vandalism (I spend several hours some days running round dealing with requested edits to fully protected templates!) but the phrase "high visibility" is rather ambiguous. There was a request earlier this morning at WP:RPP for a bunch of templates to be semi protected (I copied the list into sandbox so I could batch protect them if you want to see the rest) so I obliged. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply on that. As an established editor it doesn't affect my own ability to edit those templates, but I am just concerned that when we protect templates that don't have a history of problems that we are compromising the open editing ability that characterizes Wikipedia. I am always cognizant that my own first IP edits were to fix spelling mistakes in articles I was reading as a casual user. That lead me to realize how easy it was to contribute, so I opened an account and 34,000 edits later I am still here. I am not at all opposed to protecting pages where there is a history of vandalism, I am just concerned that if too many pages are protected it may discourage new editors from getting involved in Wikipedia. - Ahunt (talk) 12:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I see your point, but I think it's important to differentiate between articles and templates, of which the latter often employs intricate syntax and markup and to which changes can affect the appearance of several hundred (or in some cases thousands or even millions in one or two cases) of articles and pages. You might also like to contact User:Koolabsol, who requested the protection. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

That does make sense vis-a-vis articles versus templates. Thanks for addressing the issue. - Ahunt (talk) 13:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Bradford Murders.

Just to say I'm extremely pleased that this article has been renamed/protected ahead of the court hearing. Worse case scenario was one of the new IPs being someone connected with the trial. Whilst I have experience of working with journalists on contentious/potentially libellous material, is it possible to get some Wiki guidelines for UK bios affected by subjudice so that these could be quoted in future?

Regards JRPG (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we have a specific policy- probably because the WP servers are in the States- but the two most important policies in the area would be WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. Also, the article is only move protected- it can be edited by anyone, but it can only be moved by an admin (I'll be happy to oblige if there's a consensus on the talk page)- that's just to "enforce" the AfD close in case anyone were tempted to try and get round it. If issues arise, then please do let me know and I'll take swift action given the... sensitive issues involved. Hope that helps, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

IP Vandal

Thank you for blocking User:88.26.26.159 User:80.31.248.45 User:83.39.9.248 User:79.146.111.65 User:83.59.244.54. He is quite persistent. Can you do more please? Eg semi protect Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's such a great idea considering he's not causing that much disruption and there are constructive IP edits to that article (it's actually on my watchlist and I've not seen very much of this guy). I can give you rollback if you like to make reverting him easier, but for now I think we should go with revert, block, ignore. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I have rollback thank you. I don't know how to slap him with an "only warning" sticker. Whenever I see your name I think RJ Mitchell of Spitfire fame. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Not according to my checks (yes, I stalk everyone who posts here!). You have autoreviewer, but not rollback. I can rectify that in three clicks if you want. As to "only warnings", if he's just IP hopping, there's probably not much point. If he get really annoying, I'll plat whack-a-mole with a series of short blocks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Then yes please. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. Just remember, vandalism only, no edit warring, etc etc. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Please pop in #wikinews. Need to talk with you. --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 16:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Akkadian Empire

Thank you for your assistance on this.Ploversegg (talk) 16:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

File:DF-ST-98-00046 cropped.JPEG

Please be more careful when deleting image files featured (or will be featured) on Main Page. This cropped image has been uploaded to English Wikipedia only, so you shouldn't use the {{C-uploaded}} tag, nor should you delete it, since it is likely to be used for OTD next year as well. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, but surely it makes more sense to restore it next year if it's used. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Because? It doesn't do any harm to leave it without deleting it, but it certainly does harm if we forget to restore it next year. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sesame Street

Sorry about that. Just another *facepalm* moment. Perhaps I should get a bit more sleep. :)Connormah (talk | contribs) 17:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries! Looks like there is vandalism there but not recently enough for protection to do much good. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it. Connormah (talk | contribs) 17:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

AL GA

Hi HJ, just checking in. Was there something else that needed to be done that I missed before you go over the article for GA review? Since last I wrote you, the overlinks were removed and most of the unreliable sources were replaced. There's only one {{fv}} tag left, and I honestly can't find any source for it (Canon Singapore). I've asked for help on the talk page, but little to no response. So we can either leave it or remove it, let me know what you think. Or maybe it won't affect the GA at all. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 18:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look in a bit. Obviously it would be nice if we could find a proper source, but if there isn't one available and the information attached to the tag isn't essential, I'd suggest removing it- I can't pass the GAN until it's resolved :(. Anyway, I'll be over there in a bit to take a look. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh! Had I known it would stall the GA, I would've removed the info. I'll do so now. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, info was removed. Although I've no doubt it was added in good faith a long time ago, I spent quite a bit of time, several days ago, looking for a reference, including Google's news archives, and was not able to dig up any information that supported the phrase tagged {{fv}}, so it's now removed. I don't see any other tags, AL doesn't seem to have any hidden categories that make me nervous, several people have trimmed the lede down, and the article has actually remained stable for the most part in the last couple of days; so the article should be 100% ready for your review. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:51, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. I'll take my admin hat off and put my GA reviewer hat on :). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:When

Hi HJ Mitchell, would you mind having a look at Template talk:When? In my opinion the recent change doesn't make sense and breaks numerous existing uses of the template.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied at Template talk:When#Edit. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reaction!

Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews - Turkey bans Google

i edited and developed the article regarding your comments. i hope you have time to re-check the article.

--78.162.177.220 (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion

Hello, HJ Mitchell. You have new messages at White Shadows's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Just asking for your honest POV on this. Thanks.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 20:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you!

HJ Mitchell - Thank for your participation and support in my RfA.

I can honestly say that your comments and your trust in me are greatly appreciated.

Please let me know if you ever have any suggestions for me as an editor, or comments based on my admin actions.

Thank you!  7  23:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

support

The last option that you mentioned in the RFC lacks your support/oppose. Although I AGF, it appears to be a joke. Perhaps you could add your support to it? Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Mail?

Thanks for the user block re Karel Capek and the unblock at The Sydney Morning Herald. Thought you may have been going for an early night 'today' (but you're back!). I have had a late night myself. Did you get my mail? Cuppa?

220.101.28.25 (talk) ^Contribs 00:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, mail. I haven't seen it- another reason you should get an account- then you can email me via WP's system (and I can confirm you and generally make editing so much easier for you)! I'll check all my various email addresses in case it got lost somewhere! As to the SMH, you're welcome. It had been protected for a while, so I thought unprotection was worth a try. I'm always on around this time- 00:00UTC is switchover time on the Main Page so someone has to check that the TFA is move protected, check the balance of the columns, make sure all the images are protected and have their licensing info! It's not that easy being an admin! Thanks for the cuppa, though (you got anything stronger...?) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

How about this, some in the tea and It'll help you nod off! Which I need to do a little of even though it is morning! Ah Johhny Walker, I miss him! Have not seen him around recently! <sigh>. I'll have to check that e-mail address, it was the one you gave me in May when you wanted to vent something about the 'peanut gallery', I think it was. Or ping me on my one, I haven't used that exact one since December '09 but I mailed myself to check so apparently it is still working. --220.101 (talk) ^Contribs-01:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, getting closer! ;) In that case, I've probably got it, I'll have to more closely examine the contents of my inbox in the morning (it's currently full of "I tried to advertise on WP and you deleted it" type crap!). While I'm thinking about it, why don't you set up an account, use it for a little while and if you don't think much to it, you can just go back to being 220.101....? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

← Waddaya want, Black Label? or how about some: ? Account? Hmm,...thinking. --220.101 (talk) ^Contribs-02:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I've got a 15 year old bottle of single malt knocking around somewhere, but it's a bit late to be cracking open expensive whisky now! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeh, Keep the cheap(er) stuff for 'sleep enhancement' . Tis' late so I'll let you go for now. By the way Jimbo certainly ain't God, cause I think God works for Jimbo! --220.101 (talk) ^Contribs-02:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I've no problem with the guy, but the way some people talk about him, if you didn't know better, you'd think they were talking about some mystical deity. As far as I'm concerned, he's just another editor for all intents and purposes. Let me know what conclusion you come to about an account, but for now, I need sleep ;). Even admins need to sleep! Sometimes. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Yet another ban proposal

That was not the most drama-reducing proposal, and probably didn't help a whole lot...

I'm not quite at the "that's troutable" level on this, but it would help if admins didn't do things that increase drama.

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Alas, you're probably right. Not that I have anything at al against those three editors but I'm just so sick of seeing them carry on such pathetic arguments in any forum they can find! Ah well, I probably just need sleep! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German Ministers-Presidents by longevity

I found your closure of this AfD as keep, without any explanation of your rationale, surprising. Purely numerically there were three editors for delete and three for keep, but two of the keep rationales were based simply on WP:WAX so should carry little weight. Whilst it's a judgment call, I certainly don't see a "keep" result there; I appreciate that you did, but its not so obvious it needed no explanation. The AfD also cited Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_German_Federal_Ministers_by_longevity which itself cites two other AfDs - all of which are near-identical and resulted in delete and again, your reasoning for coming to a different conclusion would have been appreciated. I42 (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Frankly all the arguments made in that AfD were pretty weak. Personally, if I'd opined, I would have gone woith a delete !vote, but analysing the discussion as it is, nobody had commented in over a week so, after the nom, we have, in order:

• WP:OTHERCRAP
• "Jut not encyclopaedic"
• The only !voter to actually provide a rationale for their opinion
• "Just not encyclopaedic"
• and finally, another othercrap argument

Given that the only strong, or even valid, argument besides the nomination was a keep !vote, I closed it as keep, but you may consider this leave to re-nominate in a few weeks when hopefully the discussion will attract more participation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Ever reviewed a GA?

(pretend it's an ad) Well now you can by reviewing the article Ersatz Monarch class battleship! Just follow the Good Article Criteria and tell me of any issues! But wait there's more, act now and you'll get a free.....well I've got nothing just please review this thing for me. I need this for the WikiCup as Casliber is catching up to me and this article has been awaiting a GA review since mid May.--White Shadows ^{stood on the edge} 16:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

PS: Can you please delete the redirected page German Type IXA submarine so I can move my sandbox article User:White Shadows/German Type IXB submarine to that page? Thanks.--White Shadows ^{stood on the edge} 16:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll have a look later on (and yes, about 50 in response to the title!) ;). You sure you've got the right link there, that's not a redirect... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I think you meant IXB, so that's where I've stuck it (I didn't leave redirect behind, but I figured you'd only have me delete it under U1 later). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I did mean IXB :) As for the review, go for it!--White Shadows ^{stood on the edge} 17:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

I appreciate that. Dare I reveal my ignorance by asking what happens next? Obviously, I have a slight agenda here, in that I'm really asking "will the userfication happen", rather than "talk me through the nitty-gritty of processes that I should already know about"...!

Cheers, TFOWR^{idle vapourings} 18:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I've no issue with userfication as long as the creator is aware that WP isn't a web host and it may be MfD'd if it just sits there indefinitely. As for the nitty-gritty, if the article hadn't been deleted, I'd just move it to an appropriate place, unticking the "leave a redirect behind" box that admins get. Since it's been deleted, I'll restore it first, then do exactly the same. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I can move to their userspace if you let me know when I can. If I'd been on the ball I'd have done that prior to posting at ANI... Regardless, I'll let them know about what's required. Ta! 19:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

But you can't move without a redirect (yet!) so you would have had to have tagged the redirect for speedy, meanwhile the AfD says it was deleted but it's a bluelink. Basically, it's esier if you're an admin! I've stuck it at User:Rohedin/Newgrounds Linux. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've volunteered myself for any further questions. I'm a Linux person, so I see the motivation, but I'm not convinced it's a Linux distribution that meets WP:N yet. TFOWR^{idle vapourings} 19:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Qassim Afzal

I have serious concerns about your AfD close. In particular:

• This site (which had most sources, but not all) doesn't look like a "local newspaper". Neither this, for example.
• Even if they were, I have never heard consensus that local news are not considered RS.
• The fact that other sources don't verify "basic biographic information" seems irrelevant in face of WP:GNG and similar guidelines -we can simply avoid to give such information and stick to what is effectively in sources (if I am wrong, please link the appropriate guideline).

In the light of above (and of your "reluctance" mentioned in the close statement), can I hope in a reconsideration of the close? Thanks! --Cyclopia^talk 20:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you genuinely have "serious concerns", then I suggest you raise them at WP:DRV, but if you're just expressing a strongly held opinion, I'll take it as that. As I recall, neither of the sources above were in the article (but I'll check the deleted content in a minute). Local news sources can be RS, but they don't do a lot for establishing notability- for example, coverage in the Lincolnshire Echo would do less for notability than coverage in, say, The Guardian (just example). My reluctance in closing it that way was that I felt it could have gone the other way if a few more people had made strong keep arguments and actually improved the article and its sourcing. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking about DRV from the start, in fact. :) About "improving the article", well, it's not the status of the article that counts, but the subject itself (WP:ATD). In fact, there is the opposite problem: people (including myself) are often wary of touching AfD'ed articles because they feel their work would be wasted if it closes as delete anyway. So, better to bring the arguments and sources before and then waiting a decision. --Cyclopia^talk 23:15, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I have to say that, in borderline cases, a few edits to improve the sourcing can make all the difference. If you'd like, I can userfy it for you to work on and you can move it back into the mainspace after it's been sourced and there's been a reasonable "grace period" since the AfD... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Nadal Australian Open 2009 2.jpg

Hello! Please note that when cropping an image for the main page, it should be uploaded under a different filename (with "cropped" appended) to preserve the original file's appearance within articles. (Instead of the {{c-uploaded}} tag, the {{m-cropped}} template is used). Thank you! —David Levy 20:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I forgot when I was cropping that file- I was in a hurry! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

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To present/onward

I finally got around to starting a discussion about the date range issue, and I'm curious as to what the responses will be. If you're interested in chiming in or simply following along, the discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#.22.E2.80.93present.22_in_article_body – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 23:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm equally curious, but I don;t have much to add, so I'm just watching. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Friendly heads up.

So I guess 4chan is mad at you or something. Heads up, you'll probably be getting a lot of spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.210.154 (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

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MediaWiki:Robots.txt

re: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ARobots.txt&action=historysubmit&diff=365898941&oldid=353973694

You need to close the source tag, too; the /pre is still at the bottom ;) Jack Merridew 03:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry- you know I'm useless with markup! ;) Is that better? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ya. Tags should be balanced. The same rule applies to some templates, too; see here (scroll to the end of the diff past a lot of miscellaneous nits). This pair of templates should travel as a pair. The core issue with all the stuff re markup and colors is that most users have no clue about markup. But some are just full of opinion, anyway. They need to see Equus. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, it's the same with being an admin- plenty of armchair generals with no appreciation for the difficulties of the job! That's Wikipedia (and life in general) for you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Custom welcome page spread by Diego Grez onto ~1000 user pages

Hi Mitchell,

RE:Diego Grez

I'm not sure that this custom welcome page spread by Diego Grez onto ~1000 user pages is such a good idea. It's really unorthodox. And it also spreads following images:

• Potential privacy/privacy of a minor issues: Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Bullying_Irfe.jpg ~ 1000 pages
• Likely without permission: Special:WhatLinksHere/File:My_Grandfather_Photo_from_January_17.JPG ~1000 pages
• ...

I've also seen IP users finding this welcome page downright offensive. Please consider replacing it with a regular welcome page.

--Dc987 (talk) 05:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Erm, dDiego hasn't edited a user talk page besides mine and his (and one to Xeno's) since early January... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Harassment again at my page

Hello Mitch, as you told me before and I understand that you could help to semi-protect my talk page (could use the indef-SPP right now, thanks!), but what about this harassment? Looks awfully like JA or his clone operating under an ANON IP, which is their usual MO. Anyway, I'm kind of indifferent to their nonsensical behaviour these days, meaning that I'm mildly irritated but I'm not angry at a mentally disturbed soul. Regards. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 09:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I've semi'd your talk page for another 6 months. I wouldn't worry too much- they seem to have new-found fascination with me after I used RevDel on the edit summaries from the latest round of Grawp page moves. Just ignore them and they'll get bored. Eventually. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

• Many thanks for the little help. Going through the records, I must say that I've noticed about the current trend of disturbances (leading to the various RevDels all over WP) that has been going on for the last 2 weeks, their particular interest seems to be focused on the several Admins and editors who had crossed their path, you being one of them. But like you've mentioned, they will get bored by it, eventually. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 13:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

HighKing

Perhaps you could also delete all his unfounded accusations. By the way, I posted NO personal information about him; I made a point of not doing so by leaving out vital elements. I tried to keep the whole issue confidential but he ws having none of it. Mister Flash (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)