Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 August 19

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 19, 2010

Tara Whelan

• Tara Whelan → 2005 Kuşadası minibus bombing (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Delete. Appears to be a backdoor for an article on a bombing victim of yesteryear. She is, alas, not notable. There should be nothing here about her other than footnoted articles with no links. Student7 (talk) 21:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC) Student7 (talk) 21:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - since she is mentioned in the target a redirect is just fine. Being nn is no bar to the creation of a redirect; indeed if she were notable then she would merit her own article. It is acceptable to redirect victims to the main incident page provided there is some sourced content. I would add that since this was formerly an article outright deletion is off the agenda because of GFDL implications and keeping the redirect is the simplest way of meeting our GFDL obligations. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• Indeed - the target is dependent on the redirect for attribution purposes [1](see AFD decision). I'm not sure what the old revisions of the redirect or the notability of the subject in the page name has to do with the redirect, which is strictly a navigational aid. The redirect seems to be in light use, and redirects are cheap, so I don't see a particular reason to delete it. –xeno^talk 22:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• I would add that when an AFD has decided to redirect rather than delete an article it is not good practice for the decision to be overturned at RFD. Better to challenge it at DRV if the decision is considered incorrect. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Fuck man

• Fuck man → Pac-Man (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Created with this is mind from the article .. the name was changed from Puck Man to Pac-Man, as it was thought that vandals would be likely to change the P in "puck" to an F... As I know this nickname didn't take off at all and do one is going to come here searching for Fuck man wanting to find the Pac Man article. I did a google search for Fuck man and I didn't find our redirect or anything about pac man, we don't need a fuck man redirect and no-one will come looking for it imo either. The guy that created it was and is a indef blocked sock, his edit history seems to show an obsession with fuck Off2riorob (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep: The motivations of the creator aren't really relevant here, this discussion is about the value of the redirect. The Pac-Man article mentions that the creators changed the name from Puck-man because they were concerned that it would become known as "Fuck-man"; if it's worthy of such mention in the article, I see no reason why it shouldn't also be worthy of a redirect; redirects are cheap after all. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 20:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

  The motivations of the creator are imo relevant, he was the one that created it and his obsession; with such issues is perhaps the only reason it was created . the alleged nickname never caught on , is not used and is likely never searched for. Off2riorob (talk) 20:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• This particular redirect was nominated in 2006 but withdrawn; whereas a similar redirect from Fuckman was deleted in 2008 after a full discussion. I'd suggest that we be consistent in application, taking direction from the result of this discussion. –xeno^talk 20:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• Agree; I would propose that Fuckman be added to the nomination, and that Fuckman be created if the result of this RfD is to keep (and obviously no further action if it's delete). GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 20:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. This is discussed in the article, and the story behind it is reasonably well-known, so variants of "fuck man" are reasonably foreseeable search terms for the target. — Gavia immer (talk) 20:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

  Have you got some diffs that assert people refer to this pac man as fuck man? Off2riorob (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

  Even if it didn't catch on, I think the fact that the developers changed the name because of fears it might, and that this was deemed worthy of being in the article, justifies the redirect. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 21:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

  Keep I suppose. Unless there is a more notable fuck man out there.Wikiposter0123 (talk) 22:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Main Page/HelpBox

• Main Page/HelpBox → Main Page (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Never used (in real terms), not a plausible search term, no links, no history. Just silly. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• Delete - we won't get any help from the creator who hasn't been around for a couple of years. Not only is this not used but it is confusing since a searcher will expect something different to a link to the Main Page. Bridgeplayer (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
• Delete as unnecessary. –xeno^talk 20:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)