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::Well thank you very much, but if there is no reason for a hangon tag, there is no reason to bother editing Wikipedia. How the heck can you possibly say that, and how can you think it is acceptable to delete an article while someone is typing a justification for a hangon? Seriously, that's not '''speedy deletion''', that's '''instant deletion'''. I had already done a revision of it about a month earlier (when I found the thing, I've rated the majority of the aricles for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Connecticut|WikiProject Connecticut]]). Naturally, this article isn't a high priority, but it did have verifiable references. Yes, it does need a lot more work. Yes, please undelete it and feel free to put it up with a regular deletion box if you want. I'll rewrite the thing. Best, [[User:Markvs88|Markvs88]] ([[User talk:Markvs88|talk]]) 16:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
::Well thank you very much, but if there is no reason for a hangon tag, there is no reason to bother editing Wikipedia. How the heck can you possibly say that, and how can you think it is acceptable to delete an article while someone is typing a justification for a hangon? Seriously, that's not '''speedy deletion''', that's '''instant deletion'''. I had already done a revision of it about a month earlier (when I found the thing, I've rated the majority of the aricles for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Connecticut|WikiProject Connecticut]]). Naturally, this article isn't a high priority, but it did have verifiable references. Yes, it does need a lot more work. Yes, please undelete it and feel free to put it up with a regular deletion box if you want. I'll rewrite the thing. Best, [[User:Markvs88|Markvs88]] ([[User talk:Markvs88|talk]]) 16:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
:::You'd be surprised how often people add <nowiki>{{hangon}}</nowiki> without ever providing any reason. I've restored the article. I'm not going to AfD it at this time, but there's no guarantee someone else won't. [[User:Shimeru|<font color="DarkRed">'''''Shi'''''</font>]][[User talk:Shimeru|<font color="Indigo">''meru''</font>]] 16:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
:::You'd be surprised how often people add <nowiki>{{hangon}}</nowiki> without ever providing any reason. I've restored the article. I'm not going to AfD it at this time, but there's no guarantee someone else won't. [[User:Shimeru|<font color="DarkRed">'''''Shi'''''</font>]][[User talk:Shimeru|<font color="Indigo">''meru''</font>]] 16:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== Restore of deleted page ==

Hello,

I am leaving a message regarding the deletion of the following page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build-To-Order_(HDB),_Punggol

The reason for deletion was ''"Speedy deleted per CSD G11, was blatant advertising, used only to promote someone or something. using TW"'',

I personally do not feel so, as this page is a compilation of the past HDB Build-to-Order tender projects for Punggol (a district in Singapore), similar to the page for the "list of BTO Projects". Perhaps, as Punggol has too many releases in these recent years, it has been separated to its own wiki page (i have been following the BTO page for quite long). I do not know if you are from Singapore, but a little introduction - Punggol is a district here that is growing and our Government is trying to develop this district with more upcoming constructions of flats for citizens.

I doubt this wiki page was meant for blatant advertising, nor promotion of someone or something. However, i guess the person who created the page described it as "Upcoming waterfront paradise by Group8asia situated along Punggol Waterway, it will offer waterfront living and boasts eco-friendly features such as large courtyards and openings to promote natural ventilation and airflow to flats and common areas" made it seem like some advertisement. Will it be possible to change the description to something else and restore this page?

I work in the construction industry and find this page very useful, as to when i need to find information of a certain tender project in Punggol, i will refer to this page, especially when there are many upcoming releases. I personally use these pages as reference to my work and i am sure it is beneficial to others as well.

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GOCE Newsletter

GOCE July 2010 backlog elimination drive chart

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! We have now passed the halfway point, so here's an update.

Progress Report - Progress toward the targets has been good. 751 articles out of the approximately 1,600 we would like to get completed by the end of the month were done by July 15, so we will be very close to meeting the target for volume. However, we would like to clear all of the 2008 articles from the backlog, and there are still 892 left to do. Please consider choosing one of these older articles when looking for something to copy edit. If we focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue.

Participation Report - 95 people signed up for the July drive. This is a great result compared to May, when we had 36. However, in May only one person that signed up didn't do any copy edits, and in July only 59 of the 95 have posted any copy edits on the big board.

The task may seem insurmountable but please remember that if all 95 participants copy edit just one article a day from now until the end of the month, we will eliminate 1,300 more articles from the backlog. So please consider participating at whatever level you can! All contributions are appreciated.

This newsletter was prepared for the GOCE by Diannaa (Talk), S Masters (talk), and The Raptor Let's talk.

UntouchableFilm Deletion

Hello Shimeru,

I was speaking with Uncle Milty regarding a page that was deleted: User:UntouchableFilm. He had asked that I contact you regarding it. I understand why the article was deleted, but I have not been able to see it for myself. Would you be so kind to place the page on my Sandbox? I created a Sandbox page just for it: User:Spops/Sandbox1. I would like to work on the article and get it up to Wikipedia standards. As far as Untouchable Productions goes... It was started by my brother, who is a film school graduate. His work has appeared in several film festivals, and is even featured in IMDB (IMDB - All My Fault). Unfortunately, he has no idea how to use a wiki correctly. So, I guess that is where I come in...

Thank you very much for your time. Spops (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/436th Transportation Battalion (United States)

You deleted 436th Transportation Battalion (United States) even though there was no clear consensus to delete in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/436th Transportation Battalion (United States). You apparently ignored the Keep argument, and you gave no reasons for why you deleted the article. AfD's are not a vote, and unless there is a clear consensus (not a majority) for deletion the article must not be deleted. If the closing admin unilaterally deletes the article after a discussion, ignoring arguments to keep the article, then why do we even bother having discussions? I request that you restore 436th Transportation Battalion (United States) because there was no clear consensus to delete the article. Inniverse (talk) 04:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious as to why you feel I ignored the keep argument, rather than considering it. I've looked over the debate again, and I consider that a pretty clear consensus, not in terms of numbers but in terms of arguments. Shimeru 04:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedily deletion of Wikipedia article "Altan tours"

Just 'cos you got the power, that don't mean you got the right!!! Lurulu (talk) 22:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'll find it does. Shimeru 04:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not delighted that you froze the loaded version of the lead for two weeks, especially as most non-partisan editors in the RfC had supported removing heavy detail that's already filling the body, but I suppose that's how it goes. Can you please take a look at Epeefleche's edit-warring summary of "vandal" [1]. I tried asking him to apologize/self-revert but my requests on his Talk page were deleted, I preserved them here: [2].

Cheers, RomaC TALK 18:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pages are always protected at m:The Wrong Version, it's traditional. I'm definitely not about to choose the version I like best and protect that; that'd be an abuse of sysop powers.
People are entitled to blank sections of their own talk pages. It's understood that doing so implies having read the blanked material. I can see from Epeefleche's comments to the IP's talk page that he understands the vandalism policies: "Please note: vandalism is not indicated, as you suggest, in people not giving proper or any explanation for their reversions, without more. Though, of course, that can be an element of vandalism. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)" Therefore, his attention has already been called to the matter and he's acknowledged it. If he chooses not to apologize for it, that's his call; either way, if he continues that behavior, he can expect repercussions. No need to warn him a second time for the same incident, and I'm not going to start issuing edit-warring blocks for this one -- that'd be way too many for my tastes. Two weeks of protection will hopefully be enough. I'm thinking about asking some of the biography-related WikiProjects for their input on the RfC. Shimeru 19:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive invitation


There are currently
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The Guild of Copy-Editors – September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive


The Wikipedia Guild of Copy-Editors invite you to participate in the September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive will begin on 1 September at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on 30 September at 23:59 (UTC). The goals for this drive are to eliminate 2008 from the queue and to reduce the backlog to fewer than 5,000 articles.

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Thanks from the GOCE

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Glass Tower

I noticed that it lost it's right to be a stand alone article. Some of the material was moved, but most of it was lost, for instance: the layout, the place where the fire started, the coords to the outdoor scenes were filmed etc. Apparently you supported the logic was that it was er, not notable enough. Der..the whole film was about the tower burning down...how is that not notable??? Using this way of thinking, maybe the article on the "Death Star" for example should be merged into Star Wars because after it's just place where the protagonists go?

Besides it really annoys me that once again the arbitrary way WP Rules lawyers operate wins again. On the deletion page, someone wrote that the Glass Tower's notability was defined by only one cinematic appearance, (and this point was not challenged by the deletionist agenda). Thus ignoring the fact that X millions of people around the world have watched the The Towering Inferno and seen the tower burn down! But don't want to find out more about the structure. Yet the using the same logic, why then is the Death Star article so untouchable? Simply because Star Wars has too many fans.... The decision to kill the Glass Tower article is both duplicitous and without merit (WP:IDL). Plus it gives the finger to the notion of good faith.

At the end of the day, it also demonstrates in a microcosm the manner in which Wikipedia now operates. It has nothing to do with its guidelines, verifiability or reliable sources. Article survival is just like global religions...

One person support's a view → they are a nutter; if lots of people take the view →then that's wikiality. In this case, a well meaning article that explained the size, structure and design of a titular building in a 1970's disaster film is chopped down and merged because a few people didn't like it.

*sigh* do you wonder why so many gifted people no longer bother with this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.7.57 (talk) 01:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...Say what? Shimeru 06:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for Meadowoods

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Meadowoods. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. OberRanks (talk) 09:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I userfied this page to User:OberRanks/Meadowoods. Feel free to undo if you think there's a reason. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 19:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank semi-spam

Thanks for your support in my RfA, which has closed as successful, and for your review of my contributions. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Drinks Americas

Please explain why you deleted the page after I put a hangon tag, less than 20 minutes after a speedy deletion tag was put on? Markvs88 (talk) 16:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because no reason for the hangon tag had been given on the article's talk page, and the article was fairly unambiguously promotional. If you'd like to volunteer to rewrite it, I can undelete it for you. Shimeru 16:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well thank you very much, but if there is no reason for a hangon tag, there is no reason to bother editing Wikipedia. How the heck can you possibly say that, and how can you think it is acceptable to delete an article while someone is typing a justification for a hangon? Seriously, that's not speedy deletion, that's instant deletion. I had already done a revision of it about a month earlier (when I found the thing, I've rated the majority of the aricles for the WikiProject Connecticut). Naturally, this article isn't a high priority, but it did have verifiable references. Yes, it does need a lot more work. Yes, please undelete it and feel free to put it up with a regular deletion box if you want. I'll rewrite the thing. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You'd be surprised how often people add {{hangon}} without ever providing any reason. I've restored the article. I'm not going to AfD it at this time, but there's no guarantee someone else won't. Shimeru 16:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Restore of deleted page

Hello,

I am leaving a message regarding the deletion of the following page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build-To-Order_(HDB),_Punggol

The reason for deletion was "Speedy deleted per CSD G11, was blatant advertising, used only to promote someone or something. using TW",

I personally do not feel so, as this page is a compilation of the past HDB Build-to-Order tender projects for Punggol (a district in Singapore), similar to the page for the "list of BTO Projects". Perhaps, as Punggol has too many releases in these recent years, it has been separated to its own wiki page (i have been following the BTO page for quite long). I do not know if you are from Singapore, but a little introduction - Punggol is a district here that is growing and our Government is trying to develop this district with more upcoming constructions of flats for citizens.

I doubt this wiki page was meant for blatant advertising, nor promotion of someone or something. However, i guess the person who created the page described it as "Upcoming waterfront paradise by Group8asia situated along Punggol Waterway, it will offer waterfront living and boasts eco-friendly features such as large courtyards and openings to promote natural ventilation and airflow to flats and common areas" made it seem like some advertisement. Will it be possible to change the description to something else and restore this page?

I work in the construction industry and find this page very useful, as to when i need to find information of a certain tender project in Punggol, i will refer to this page, especially when there are many upcoming releases. I personally use these pages as reference to my work and i am sure it is beneficial to others as well.