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Baseless list of racialist assertions unsupported by evidence

The entire entry reads like a long wet-dream and is largely bereft of supporting citations for its long list of Aryan supremacist hypotheses. It starts off with the fantasy of Kashmiris being the pure Aryan race and goes on from there: arrogating even Manu to the Kashmiris and going further than Hitler with this drivel. Claiming the Vedic heritage as your own is absurd and offensive to Saraswat Brahmins. If there are any Kashmiris reading this, do yourself a favour and supply some sources instead of making a shrine to your delusions here on the internet. Make a start by understanding the difference between history and prehistory. And if you're going to keep banging on about being 'Aryans' like some post-colonial slave-syndrome-suffering skin-whitener-buying fudhu, provide links to scientific studies if you don't like to appear as complete, sad, subjugated idiots. --Zubedar (talk) 16:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I have this to say: The best model that we know for the origin of the Aryan race is Central Asia. The Vale of Kashmir in reality can be considered as Indian-Central-Asia. Thus the ancient tradition, the looks and language make thinks very clear that Kashmiris are pure Aryans. Guess what is Short in Kashmiri it is Shurt and what is End in Kashmiri it is And. Truly a Aryan-Vedic linked language as spoken (in pure form) before the advent of Islam. This is not racialism but the PLAIN TRUTH. I happen to be a Kashmiri Muslim and am proud of my roots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.243.226 (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Some people on our planet want to mould history to their agenda. In India it is impossible to achieve. Kashmir is a part of India which links India to Central Asia. Kashmiri language spoken in its original form is too close to Rigvedic Sanskrit the mother of all Aryan languages. A genuine Kashmiri Brahmin is certainly a pure Aryan and according to many experts world wide (including Germany) Kashmir is the original home of the Aryan Race. This should not bother any one as the Aryans of India are a great culture and civilization. Also I would mention the origin of each person in India is based on the Gotras and not on any other picked up name. Hari Om Mishra (Misra means mix in Sanskrit)

Important

Kashmiri is an Indo-Aryan language of Dardic group. No Turanic people (it is also an Aryan group like the Kashmirs) originated in Kashmir. This is part of a diosinformation effort to slowly change the history of this region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.205.189.211 (talk) 21:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I read the Rajataringini probably the most credible history of any time. Clearly Hindu Kashmir was not only Aryan ethnically but also culturally and religiously. Now most Kashmiris though of Aryan stock follow a Semitic religion namely Islam. Thus Semitic names and words have permeated in Kashmir. For example a traditional Hindu would refer to Agun for fire while A Muslim often uses the Arabic word Nar. Though by large even the Kashmiri spoken by Muslims largely remains Indo-Aryan in speach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.120.54 (talk) 23:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I would also agree. Surely the Kashmiri Brahmins are the purest of Brahmins and most experts believe that the Aryan Race originated in Kashmir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.21.2 (talk) 17:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

{{talkheadeMany famous experts such as Turner, Grierson, Monier-Williams etc. have speculated (quite rightfully) that the Brahmins of Kashmir are the purest of Aryans. Many experts such Johann Christoph Adelung were also convinced that the Race of Aryans had its origin in the Vale of Kashmir.'r}} The word Aryan and Swastika is a senstive issue due to the cruelty of the Nazis led by the brute Hitler. Ignore this and study the Hindu epics and ancient German epics and you will observe that Manu (in German Mannus) is the first man (Mannus, son of Tuisto was a mythological character from whom a number of Germanic tribes were descended. Tacitus (Germania, chapter 2) explicitly mentions the names of these Germanic tribes, claiming descent from Mannus)in both these cultures. Thus, Experts such as Campbell Grieson, Monier-Willams were of this opinion. Also the great Johann Christoph Adelung (8 August 1732 – 10 September 1806) was a German grammarian and philologist firmly belived (like many other experts) that Kashmir Vallkey is the home of the Aryan Race.

Yes indeed most Indians are Aryans and the Indian Manu (the word Munus or Man arises from Manu) is the father of the Aryan Race. The Kashmiri Pandits are the direct descendents of Manu.

The Germans accoording to their ancient legends are descendents of Manus (Manu). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.109.99 (talk) 16:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

To Mannus they assign three sons, from whose names, they say, the coast tribes are called Ingaevones; those of the interior, Herminones; all the rest, Istaevones. Some, with the freedom of conjecture permitted by antiquity, assert that the god had several descendants, and the nation several appellations, as Marsi, Gambrivii, Suevi, Vandilii, and that these are nine old names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.14.17 (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I may definitely be born without brains, and that is why I would require you to provide the exact reference information from the "ancient Indian texts" before posting anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.194.230 (talk) 05:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with Aryans or Aryavarta or anything that you are trying to write here. All wikipedia needs is valid references supporting your words. This is fair, isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.63.70 (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC) I found this discussion interesting. It is clear and known without doubt (read ancient Indian texts) that Kashmir was a part of Aryavarta (the abode of the Aryan Race), thus I see no controversy. Also expressing things honestly is not vandalism amongst people with brains.

Just because the history of Aryavarta (abode of Aryans) does not suit some people it can not be made into vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.175 (talk) 19:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I do agree that many people are sensitive to the word Aryan. Clearly the Nazis misused this word and Indians have nothing to do with this. Thus Indian can not and will not remove the word Aryan and the Swastika from their culture. Most people of Aryavarta (India) are pure Aryans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.239.161 (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Indeed the Aryan word has a bad reputation due to the beastly Nazis. The Indians (including Kashmiri Brahmins who are surely of the Aryan Race) have nothing to do with this. So we can not change olur history to please people, but just look at the truth, which no one can change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.175 (talk) 17:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Marriage outside is banned by the Bhagwad Gita, to maintain the purity: 'With the preponderance of vice, Krsna, the women of the family become corrupt and with the corruption of women, O descendant of Vrsni there ensues an intermixture of castes' ..I 41 'Admixture of blood damns the destoyers of the race as well as the race itself, Deprived of the offerings of rice and water the manes of their race also fall.' ..42 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.175 (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

One might add that all ancient texts describe the colour of the Aryan race from light to brown. Kashmir is cold thus most people are lighter a climatic reason for colour.

It is improbable that the Aryans would have from Central Asia to other parts of India and back again to Central Asia, as Kashmir is Central Asia. For political reason the Aryan invasion theory is being pushed into India. One can assume that India (parts of Central Asia as well) and Iran are the first known home of the Aryan Race, based on authentic literature.

I would read the Rigveda for Aryans and also Avesta. In addition a visit to Iran might help as well. Read: I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings The king of many countries and many people The king of this expansive land, The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid, Persian, the son of a Persian, 'Aryan', from the Aryan race "From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.175 (talk) 20:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

What the hell is a pure Aryan? There is an element of indian cultural but not racial makeup called Arya? Pure Aryan racial element is pure tatti. In cambodia, hinduism was called arya dharma. Where was the aryan aspect there.

U keep putting pure racial aryan gu here it will be deleted.

In all Buddhist countries Hinduism and Buddhism are known as AryaDharmas (the religion of the Aryans) as Buddha was an Aryan. His holiness Dalai Lama refers to India as Aryatara (the Star of the Aryans). It is as simple as that. People are trying to meddle in the culture of Aryavarta (India) as this does not suit them. Indians will never oblige as in India, "Satyameva Jayate". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.175 (talk) 21:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Sannuki 65.96.165.73 (talk) 03:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Early comments

I deleted a large section taken from this website, which explicitly forbids people from reproducing its material without permission. (If someone can show that they do give us permission, though, we can reinstate and wikify that material.) QuartierLatin1968 18:50, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think this article is NPOV... at all... it reads like propaganda.

What is the basis of the claim that Sanskrit originated in Kashmir?

as written in the article,suresh raina playing for indian cricket team is a kashmiri pandit..as far as i know,he is not,he belongs to UP..its just that his surname is raina and most kashmiris are raina.. Chhaviraina 12:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

"Ethnic Cleansing"

These kinds of statements are useless unless a SOURCE is provided to verify them... otherwise they are merely baseless propaganda. I will continue to revert these POV edits until someone can provide a legitimate source to back up their claims. Please also look up the term "ethnic cleansing" in a dictionary to understand the full implications of its meaning. Thanks.

It's unfortunate that you do not see ethnic cleansing of Pandits as part of their history, but as some kind of propoganda. The Holocaust is an intrinsic part of Jewish history not a propoganda. Unfortunately for Kashmiri Pandits, there has been hardly any media attention or universal outrage resulting in comments like these.

In the early 1990s, Islamic militants publicly announced that there was no place for Pandits in Kashmir as they not only represented the "Kafirs" but were also symbolic of the Indian presence in Kashmir. Shortly afterwards hundreds of Pandits were singled out and brutally massacared in a carefully planned and excuted campaign of terror and murder. Those who survived, or had the chance, fled for their lives to other parts of India. The mass exodus of Pandits as a result of the carnage inflicted on them by Islamic terrorists resulted in Kashmir being now almost completely a muslim territory. Pandits, the original inhabitants of Kashmir for thousands of years meanwhile languish in poverty and indifference. This, my dear friend, is ethnic cleansing in any language.

Furthermore, Suresh Raina is a Kashmiri born and brought up in UP, just as Nehru was.

One thing should be pretty clear that it is proven that kashmiri pundits are fleding toward india for last seven or eight centuries. I think most of indians who have kashmiri surnames may have some sort of connection with those fleding kashmiri pundits, though today these indians with kashmiri surnames have hardly kashmiri features and skin tone because of the mixing with local indians. (From Son Of Kashmir) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.69.21.94 (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Like I said, if you provide some sources verifying these claims, I have no qualms with you referring to this movement as "ethnic cleansing." Thanks.

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I have deleted the sentence "without doubt that Kashmiri Pandits belong to the Aryan race..." and also the sentence following it. There is no proof for an "Aryan race" every existing. And if some ethnic groups called themselves "arya" or aryan, it does not necessarily mean it was an ethnic designation like English, German, or Chinese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.199.154 (talk) 16:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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If Suresh Raina is not a Kashmiri Pandit then all future generations of Kashmiri Pandits who have now migrated outside the valley today, a generation or two later those people will aslo be called from Delhi, UP or where ever. Please dont get into such disputes. Deleting the article from a website is another act of foolishness. Let the world know more and more about the community. Keep on like this and the community will disentigrate. Rahul Raina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.68.3 (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

See also

• Maharaja Hari Singh (1895–1961), was the last ruling Maharaja / Emperor / King of all Lands and Territories of the princely state / Kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir in India. He was the Father of Dr. Karan Singh.
• Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir) to the Country / Dominion of India
• Lord Mountbatten
• Jammu and Kashmir, India
• Dr. Karan Singh, son of Maharaja Hari Singh and distinguished diplomat, Congress Leader from J&K, Royal Family and would have been the present Maharaja / Emperor / King of all Lands and Territories of Jammu and Kashmir, Dr Karan Singh was born heir apparent to the then ruler of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and served successively as regent, Sardar-i-Riyasat and governor of the state.
• Kashmir region
• India
• Kashmir
• Kashmiri
• Kashmiri Pandit
• Kashmir conflict
• Indian Kashmir barrier
• Timeline of the Kashmir conflict
• Kargil War or the Indo-Pakistani War of 1999
• LOC Kargil, a 2003 Bollywood war film based on "Kargil War" or the "Indo-Pakistani War of 1999", directed by J.P.Dutta
• Line of Control Kashmir
• What is called by the Government of Pakistan as Azad Kashmir but is infact an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
• Pakistan-administered Kashmir an area of Kashmir adminstered by Pakistan, in fact an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
• Trans-Karakoram Tract an area of Kashmir administered by China, in fact an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
• Aksai Chin an area of Kashmir adminstered by China, infact another integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
• Dogra
• Rajput
• Dynasties of Ancient Kashmir
• Maharaja / Emperor / King
• Monarch / Maharaja / Emperor / King
• List of topics on the land and the people of “Jammu and Kashmir”

External Link

• Conflict in Kashmir: Selected Internet Resources by the Library, University of California, Berkeley, USA; University of California at Berkeley Library Bibliographies and Web-Bibliographies list

Atulsnischal 09:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

"Muslim Invasion"

Okay, if we are to have a discussion about history, let's do it. First of all, if you are going to give a chronology, please use a reliable source...like one that doesn't jump over several centuries at a time and clearly has a pro-Hindu bent.

That being said, lets move straight on to Sultan Sikander. He was the seventh hereditary successor to the Sultanate throne of Kashmir. The first Sultan was originally a Ladakhi Buddhist prince named Rinchana who claimed the throne in 1320 after the devastation and retreat of the Chaghtai warlord Zulju. He converted to Islam while on the throne and changed his name to Shadru'd-Din. Sikander gained the throne after 69 years of local Muslim ruler -- no invading going on. However, during these 69 years there was tension between Hindu and Muslim communities, as many Central Asian muslims migrated to Kashmir to escape the Chaghtai and later Timurid conquests in further northwest. Sikander himself was a very nasty ruler. He was heavily influenced by his cheif minister Shaifu'd-Din who was a zelous Sunni muslim who convinced Sikander to impose strict shari'a law, jiziya (tax on non-Muslims), destroyed several temples and forced conversion. It is interesting to note that Shaifu'd-Din (the zealous chief minister) was himself a Brahmin Kashmiri Pandit (Suhabhatta) who converted to Islam. Also, several of Sikander's generals were Hindu and his wives -(whose children inhereted the throne) were as well.

We know much of this information from Jonaraja's Rajatarangini (which by the way was a Sanskrit text produced by a Kashmiri Pandit under the patronage of Sultan Zainu'l-'Abidin). In fact, many Kashmiri Pandits were employed in the court of Sultan Zainu'l-'Abidin to produce Sanskrit texts. And he was only 7 years after Sikander and reversed all of his anti-Hindu policies.

All this is to say that Kashmir was not pummelled by Muslim invaders who took over, looted and pillaged. There was a stable, centralized, native Muslim Sultanate that ruled Kashmir with stability for 150 years. Yes, some of these Sultans were oppressive to Hindu population, but several also patronized the building of temples and the authoring of Sanskrit texts.

On a completely separate note, scholars like Ronald Davidson poses strong arguments that many Brahmins migrated for patronage from weakening to stronger courts in North India from the 7th to 12th centuries during the rapid turnover of regional rulers -- all of this before Muslims were a major presence. The last major expansionist ruler of Kashmir before the Sultanate was Lalitaditya in the 9th century. Most history shows that the Kashmiri court suffered great infighting after his rule, and within two centuries it was in shambles. I have little doubt that many Pandits fled Kashmir at that point to find stability and patronage.

All of this is to say that the reasons for early Kashmiri Pandit diaspora is not clear, and the basis for "Muslim invasions" is tenuous. Hindu oppression certainly occurred (under Sikander for sure), but so did Hindu patronage and temple building. In fact, archives show that Akbar (centuries later) even noted how many Hindu temples from before Sultanate continued to exist in his own time.

However, as I mentioned before, I do clearly admit and condemn the incredible violence against Kashmiri Pandits during the 1990s. However, contemporary politics should not blind us to the realities of the past. Deandruid 03:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)deandruid

Please see http://www.kashmir-information.com/chronology.html for a brief chronology of invasions. In addition to this it is well documented that Sikander Butshikan of Sayyed dynasty ((1389-1413) killed several kashmiri pandits and forced many of them to convert. He was a known iconoclast who firmly intended to and finally did establish the Rule of Islam in Kashmir. So an invasion in which Native religious icons are destroyed and an attempt is made to establish a rule of islam can be considered a Muslim Invasion. For example, in a HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, a thai invasion of italy in which churches are destroyed and buddha statues are installed and the native christians asked to leave can be termed as a buddhist invastion In any case, the religious inclination of the invaders was Muslim which is a well known fact. I have provided references for Sikander's invasions. In fact there are were many rulers who persecuted the pandits like Ali shah, khokha (sp?) etc. The migrations of the Kashmiri Pandits have been classified by historians, UN and US house of rep as forced..so calling them gradual migrations is wrong and could imply that they might have migrated for economic or other reasons. I guess we cannot change the facts or twist the truth just to make it NPOV, its just like saying the jews gradually migrated out of israel without giving reasons for the exodus or saying that the holocaust is "believed to have happened" because some people do not believe in its veracity. In fact the migrations can be called "ethnic cleansing" as referred to by several historians, UN, Amnesty as well As Rep. Pallone. However, I am not sure whether to use this term or not.

A couple months back I edited this article to provide a more NPOV regarding Kashmiri Pandit migration. However, it has been edited back to read "forced to migrate to other parts of India over the centuries due to countless Muslim invasions." Three problems arise with this statement. First, migration happened, but how do we know it was "forced" way back when (this does not include the 1990s, etc.)? Second, there was massive political instability in 12th-15th centuries Kashmir, both internal and external. "Invasions" cannot be so directly blamed. Third, Zulju did in fact wipe out the Valley; however, why is his invasion labeled "Muslim" rather than simply Turko-Mongol or Chagtai? That's like saying when the UK enters a war it is an "Anglican invasion" simply because the UK has an official religion, i.e. the monarch is the head of the church. I don't know why his conjectured religious affiliation must be mentioned as part of his military exploits which seem to have no religious purpose. Deandruid 09:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)deandruid

Improvement and issues

came accres this article and would like to give my opinion and improve it a bit. as regards the above issues;

1. User IP (67...) plzz give reference for Sanskrit origin of kashmir as asked by dreandruid.

2. dreandruid i agree with you abt the social and political instability in kashmir, but that was not the cause of migration of pandits. the cause of the migration of pandits was that thousands of them were killed by the muslim rulers or forcefully converted. hundreds of temples and learning centres were destroyed. since many pandits were patronised by these temples and learning centres they lost their livlihood. this loss of livlihood coupled with the severe danger to the life of their families forced them to leave the valley. this has been recorded by historians including muslim historians. i recommed you to read tarakh-i-farishta by mhmd qasim which records these chronicles of temple destructions. I am going to remove this political instability issue altogether from this article as it is not the chief reason for the pandit migration. the instability was a fact but its related to the history of kashmir and not kashmiri pandits.

again i do not agree with your choice of words of "gradual migration" or even the other user's choice of "forced migration". Looking at some references cited, since reliable sources UN and us House have called it ethnic cleansing, I would go with ethnic cleansing. We have to use the terminology as used by reliable sources. our words would imply orignal research.

3. yes i agree, some sultans could have patronized the pandits a bit, but the in last 700-800 yrs... but most of them hv been hostile to them and hv subjected them to genocide and forced conversions. so i think we hv to go by wht most of them did...basically wht the kashmiri pandits went through during most of the muslim rule. i hope all of you agree wit this.

3. Again plzz note tht this article isnt abt hindus in general. this is abt the atrocities committed specifically on kashmiri pandits (who just happen to be hindus) by the fundamental muslims. this has been documented and cannot be ignored. its happening even today.

4. the article is missing info abt kashmiri pandits forced to live in refugee camps even today and govt not taking strong action abt their condition. i am adding the same

5. with reference to the civil war mentioned by dreandruid..the civil war also consisted of forced conversion and killing of pandits. During civil war around 25000 pandits were converted to shia faith and thousands were killed. The property of the Hindus was confiscated. And those who were allowed to live had to pay Jazia which was revived by Musa Raina.With Musa Raina and Shamsuddin Iraqi, the Shia preacher, came back to Kashmir with re-doubled enthusiasm for the propagation of his faith. Not content with peaceful preachings, forcible methods came to be practised.

Alishah, son of sikander continued the holocaust.

-Thank you for the lengthy response. Although we may still disagree on some of the historical issues, I agree with you that those issues should be left to a separate page on Early Modern Kashmiri History, not on a page on Kashmiri Pandits. Maybe the paragraph on that early history should be left to a minimum on this page so as to highlight the other sections and leave decisions regarding historical interpretation to other wiki pages and the readers themselves. Deandruid 06:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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I didnt put in the Sanskrit part. Anyway thanks guys for your edits. The article looks much better now. To the above user (not dreandruid), I chose forcible migration because there seemed to be a dispute. In fact I gave links from very reliable sources which refer to the issue as ethnic cleansing. To dreandruid, could you please say why you had changed the word 'ethnic cleansing' again to gradual migration? I think the above user is correct in saying that we should use words by a reliable source. In fact it was also my mistake that I used 'forcible migration' instead. Do you have any specific reason of not using those words used by sources like UN and US House of Representatives? I am changing it back, if you have any reason to not accept those words, I think we can discuss and revert back to the current version. In any case thanks both you guys for helping shape up the article better!! 67.184.103.51 00:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I removed the reference to "ethnic clensing" in the first paragraph because, as I understand it, the UN ad US House of Representatives are referrring to the ethnic clensing of Kashmiri Pandits in the 1990s, not warfare of the 14th century. Later on in the article there is a whole subsection on ethnic clensing (where it is also directly connected to events in the 90s).Deandruid 06:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I deleted "There is mention of the Dardic people, who lived outside the valley of Kashmir. The Kashmiris are not Dards." because it contradicts Dard_people and I added the link disputing the Aryan origin of Kashmiris.

Dacool7 (talk) 17:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no doubt the Kashmiri society is imbalanced today without the pundits.it is like an ecosystem which has lost some species critical for its survival.It would also be foolish to say that they have not been wronged. They have suffered a lot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.65.67 (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

At the end the Kashmiris, are well-built, goodlooking intelligent people, thus many countries and people want to mould their history to use them. The conclusion is Kashmir, is India and also Central asia. Most of Central Asia, India and Iran has a pure Aryan past. This can not be denied or removed. How can you hope to separate Kashmir from say Tajikstan, when they are next door neighbours and change history-http://www.payvand.com/news/05/dec/1190.html

Yes Tajikstan is to close to Kashmir separate it from Kashmir. Both are pure aryan people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.153 (talk) 17:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Unsigned comments

have some least bit of shame :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.50.131.26 (talk) 07:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

http://www.islam-watch.org/index.html

need I say more about the destructive history of muslims?

This discussion is a mess

Please people, we need wikipedia for information and background. We don't need views when they are not asked for. The title here is "Kashmiri Pandit"; that means we should know more about their beliefs, habits, and history. This should not include who they hate. It is possible to make a timeline that involves the Pandits - not their enemies. The present situation is the result of thousands of years of history. No person 'continually inhabits'. The term 'Aryan' should be be removed from this article - unless someone can show us a living aryan. The Kashmir region has had peaceful and violent times; in the violent times people suffered. To blame is to invite more hate. If this article blames the Brits, the UN, muslims, Moguls, Buddhists, Hindus, terrorism - then what is left to tell about the Kashmiri Pandit's interesting history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.60.214 (talk) 00:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more with you, anon. I've updated article's grade to C, there's much content in the article; but since it is mostly unreferenced & agenda-pushing, I hardly predict an upgrading anytime soon. Another problem is that (almost exclusively) anon users have been removing & adjusting content without justification over the past few months, so I've marked it as needing immediate attention. Omnipaedista (talk) 09:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I see that this has been downgraded to a C and that there is lot of whitewashing going on in terms of the historical persecution that the Kashmiri Pandits have suffered. OK, do we all agree on the facts surrounding the martyrdom of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji? Please cross reference with Wikipedia. If we agree on this one instance of historical persecution then I will move to the next one. We will build this one step at a time if we have to.

Peeth (talk) 23:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Peeth

POV

"many have left their homeland due to terrorism and anti-Hindu violence in Kashmir and have settled in various parts of India."

• This comment is not valid as there was no anti-Hindu violence in Kashmir, may be they left valley because of terrorism but that threat was faced by all the Kashmiri's including muslims in valley and other non-Muslim communities.
• During last 20 years approx 2 Lakh kashmiris have been killed. Oniongas (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Terrorism threat was not faced by Muslims, as they mostly supported the Pak Terrorists, kept them in their homes and provided them with food. People don't know the ground reality and keep on commenting anything. For God's sake do not give out false impression of Kashmir problem, speak the truth. Everyone knows it then why to hide it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.229.75 (talk) 17:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
    • If terrorism threat was not faced by muslims, then who killed Lakh's of Muslims in Kashmir valley in the name of security?

Unsigned comments

The Brahmins of Kashmir are the purest represntative of the Aryan Race and the Aryan Race originated most likely in Kashmir. some insecure people are trying to change this but have no possiblity to do this.

Tharki Paddey Kise Insecure Bolta hai. HOW ARE THEY THE PUREST REPRESENTATION OF ARYAN RACE? Start with that. Kailash Kher is an "aryan" Even By Desi Pantone skin color metric they guy is not gora. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.165.73 (talk) 05:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

"purest of Aryans"... really? And all that other unsourced stuff... this article should be scrapped.

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• • Please maintain professionalism and the decorum of Wikipedia. Please adhere to WP:NPA / WP:APR / WP:CALM. Oniongas (talk) 20:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Muslim militants targeted and started killing Kashmiri hindus also called Hindu pandits.Some of these pandits killed where renowned scientist,doctors,engineers, ,politician,authors.Muslim militants did this to make Kashmir total Hindu free territory and govern Islam Muslim rule in Kashmir.[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajgupta67 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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Saivaism / Vaishnavaism

"Most Kashmiri Pandits are devout Shaivites, however many Kashmiri Pandit families who had migrated into other Indian territories have been ardent Vaishnavites as well." What does this mean? Does this mean that the Pandits converted to Vaishnavaism after their immigration? Frédéric.Cabrolier (talk) 02:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)