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Anushka Wirasinha

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A first version of this article was posted in 2008 and deleted on notability grounds in June 2010 after an AfD triggered, unusually, by a message to OTRS. That produced an indignant reaction from two SPAs who tried to over-write the AfD, which was therefore privacy-blanked and protected. The AfD as it was when closed can be seen here. This new version of the article, with considerably more references, has been prepared in user space, and the author asked my advice about moving it to the main space. As Shimeru (talk · contribs), the admin who closed the AfD, is not currently active, I have decided that the best thing to do is to post it and relist it here at once for the community to decide.

A number of images at the end have been deleted for licensing problems, but could probably be restored if the article is kept: their titles make reasonably clear what they were.

I express no opinion. I will notify all those concerned with the first version or with the AfD. JohnCD (talk) 22:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. —JohnCD (talk) 22:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Whilst there are several references mentioning her directly, I can't find anything to show WP:AUTHOR is met. The sources are also of questionable reliability, for example this (and others) is hardly neutrally written and says it was in the bestsellers at indiatimes.com but neither a site specific google search nor google news bring up any evidence of this being true. Similarly reference 4 "Financial Times. More Tech books from Prolific Writer. 2002." appears to be made up as far as I can tell as again I cannot find any articles on ft.com or in an archive search with ProQuest that are about her. Because of these doubts with the reliability of sources in the article, I am not convinced the general notability guideline is met either. SmartSE (talk) 00:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it is not on ft.com doesn't mean it is not credible. Please look at all the links including newspaper articles written by reputable sri lanka journalists, university websites where the books are textbooks and required books for BTech. There are numerous references to prolific writer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 02:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it isn't in the ft archive, then why should I trust it was written? If you added the reference, the burden is on you to show that it is real - can you provide more details on this reference so I can check it further? SmartSE (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The ft archive doesn't hold half the world's written content. That doesn't mean it was not written or it isn't there. We have to do all the research available rather than discard something for not being on ft. So I am researching and trying to put as much as I can find. Can you look at the links I have put below. The images were removed from wiki as I think there was copyright problems as I just scanned stuff I had. But I scanned and put on flickr so these can be seen. The Women Achievers and other articles are by credible journalists. This is a Sri Lankan author so we can't depend on purely online sources, much more out there offline. The textbooks are required text books in a number of universities and these are on the university pages.

Thanks to whoever added the "Island" article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 23:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete looks like WP:AUTOBIO. and as per WP:NOTRESUME. LibStar (talk) 00:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully disagree on the WP:AUTOBIO as this article is not a personal page, a social networking site, dating site or a memorial or any of those. The page has credible sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 23:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To show my devotion to the cause of practically hopeless articles, I cleaned it up substantially. Technically, she almost meets one of the WP:PROF requirements--her textbook on Flash is actually one of the required textbooks at a number of university level IT programs--see the refs for that section. WP:PROF, however, is currently worded "if the person has authored several books that are widely used as textbooks (or as a basis for a course) at multiple institutions of higher education." I would be prepared to view this flexibly & accept a single really important book, but I doubt this is one. The difficulty in finding links to Indian/Sri Lanka/Pakistan newspaper articles doesn't show they don't exist, but at this point I'll let someone else try to find the links. DGG ( talk ) 02:20, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Question. I'm having a hard time verifying things online, anyone think they'll be able to do some library research? Please see my question on On Your Marks Net Set Go! at Talk:Anushka Wirasinha. -- Jeandré, 2010-11-22t04:35z
- "Int'l publishing giant accepts Anushka Wirasinha's books". Online edition of Sunday Observer (Press release). 2002-03-24.
  Uncle G (talk) 07:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More about Prentice Hall of India can be found at http://www.publishersglobal.com/directory/publisher.asp?publisherid=6000 Established as the first Indo-American collaborative publishing company (with Prentice-Hall Inc.) PHJ has more than 2000 university level books in its current list.

Finance India page http://www.financeindia.org/fi.htm

Author is listed in Finance India: http://www.financeindia.org/Annotated_20.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 01:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Sheer self-promotion. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People who are just saying "self-promotion" are too lazy to look at the links. Her books are listed as required text books in universities. Is that self promotion? Her books are endorsed textbooks to be used in Sri Lanka schools. Is that self promotion? National papers have articles written about her by reputable journalists and the US Copyright office contains over 70 books by her. Finance India has her texts mentioned. Is that self promotion? Prentice Hall of India that is a branch of Prentice Hall has published 3 of her books. Is that self Promotion. Please see ALL links and research on this author before just lazily typing "self promotion". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 03:53, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(see 9.)

http://www.coursehero.com/file/4655565/firstyear-it-syllbus/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6309643/syllabus-of-IT

http://www.kasc.ac.in/csugdept/syllabus/AddOn2008.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 06:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not appreciate being described as "lazy".

None of this author's books are anywhere near university level texts, even if they're published through Prentice Hall. She appears to have three "technical" books (I'm unsure about "When Heaven Calls") and all three are extremely lightweight introductory texts and way below university level. Nor would publishing three such technical texts be an indication of notability - PC intro books are just pot boilers at the lower end of hack journalism, not anything significant (we dragged Bruce Eckel off to AfD last week, so the dross certainly doesn't make it). Andy Dingley (talk) 16:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since you did make a comparison to Bruce Eckel I checked the article. I think his book listings are credible but there is nothing further than published books. Here the books are required textbooks in extremely reputable universities in many countries. There are several articles by third parties and verifiable material. An university picks a book as a textbook because of its value to students and to the taught course. It is not one university it is numerous ones in different countries.

I need some help with the Paul McKenna training thing. I saw her name listed on their site but I can't find it now. Please add if it is found.

Keep If the books are required text for the BTech exams in all the listed universities that are very credible Universities they are good enough for me. It is NOT below University level as Universities are using the books as textbooks in their curriculum. Please try not to compare one listing "Bruce Eckel" to another. This has its own merits and meets the notability criteria."

Also she has been recognized as a prolific author in reliable sources written by independent journalists. She meets the "notability" criteria in a number of ways. She has introduced computer art to schools and it is apperently a national event. Also her IT books were the first to be published by a foreign publisher and it was on the Government page.

According to the links many Government and State bodies are using the publications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 20:53, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ She has introduced a new concept to srilanka schools through computer art. she has contributed substantially in her field. the links I find are reliable

http://www.cis.lk/news_events/recent_events.htm http://www.cis.lk/digital-art-exhibition.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 12:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" See links

all the below articles are by independent sources and known journalists in the country. These are all I have with me but if someone can help scan and provide links there are so many offline articles independently written by reputable sources.

Sri Lanka Women Achievers- article part1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/anushkawirasinhaauthor/5199840659/in/pool-1545453@N20

Sri Lanka Women Achievers- article part2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/anushkawirasinhaauthor/5200432096/in/pool-1545453@N20

Style Magazine http://www.flickr.com/photos/anushkawirasinhaauthor/5200438020/in/pool-1545453@N20

Business Today- http://www.flickr.com/photos/anushkawirasinhaauthor/5199841309/in/pool-1545453@N20/

one of the many IT article I found in Business Today http://www.flickr.com/photos/anushkawirasinhaauthor/5199842339/in/pool-1545453@N20

Satyn Magazine- i have inside pages for this will scan and add http://www.flickr.com/photos/anushkawirasinhaauthor/5200719710/in/pool-1545453@N20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthuwella (talk • contribs) 13:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 : I do not appreciate being described as "lazy".
 : None of this author's books are anywhere near university level texts, even if they're published through Prentice Hall. She appears to have three "technical" books (I'm unsure about "When Heaven Calls") and all three are extremely lightweight introductory texts and way below university level. Nor would publishing three such technical texts be an indication of notability - PC intro books are just pot boilers at the lower end of hack journalism, not anything significant (we dragged [[Bruce Eckel]] off to AfD last week, so the dross certainly doesn't make it). [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 16:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+Since you did make a comparison to Bruce Eckel I checked the article. I think his book listings are credible but there is nothing further than published books. Here the books are required textbooks in extremely reputable universities in many countries. There are several articles by third parties and verifiable material. An university picks a book as a textbook because of its value to students and to the taught course. It is not one university it is numerous ones in different countries.
+I need some help with the Paul McKenna training thing. I saw her name listed on their site but I can't find it now. Please add if it is found.
 *'''Keep''' If the books are required text for the BTech exams in all the listed universities that are very credible Universities they are good enough for me. It is NOT below University level as Universities are using the books as textbooks in their curriculum. Please try not to compare one listing "Bruce Eckel" to another. This has its own merits and meets the notability criteria."