Talk:Bruce Springsteen

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Does anyone know What Time Springsteen was born?

Astrology-wise, September 23, 1949 was a very unusual date and it makes a difference whether the person was born in the early morning, late morning, afternoon etc.

Can anyone help with the time? Many thanks. douga6 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Does the time really matter? Kitchen roll (talk) 19:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Go to astro.com and type in his birthdate and put the time of birth as 7 am. Everything (sun sign,moon sign, rising sign) comes up the same.This is very, very rare. So rare that it is a bit creepy. One hour before or several hours later and it is completely different. I see why you want the exact time. Someone has got to know. Wallnut (talk) 00:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

--Astrotheme.com says he was born at 10.50 pm in Freehold, NJ. --Wallnut 02:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

How Did Springsteen Avoid the Draft?

How did Springsteen avoid the draft after he dropped out after a brief time in college? A real biography has to deal with that issue since it was such a large part of the social landscape of that era. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.18 (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

In one of his well known between song stories a discussion with his dad seemed to indicate he failed the draft physical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.190.82.126 (talk) 20:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Something to do with a motorcycle accident, I think. 82.118.103.122 (talk) 15:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I've heard a bootleg where he spins a yarn about kissing the draft board doctor on the lips. I'm pretty sure that's schtick, but ya never know. David in DC (talk) 15:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Motorcycle accident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.34.173 (talk) 11:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty simple - motorcycle accident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Live/1975-85#Side seven "The River" story. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Whatever the reason, if there is a WP:RS or even his own account in a WP:RS it should be in the article since some believe he was a "draft dodger." CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I found a good cite (Rolling Stone interview 1984) and have put it in 'Early Years'. Yes, odd that it was missing; it's a standard question for any US man born in the 1940's? Little grape (talk) 21:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

So long as you have a good reference at least! There's a video from his pro-shot You Tube video in Paris 85 he does discuss getting the draft notice, and sort of skips right on into saying he never went to Vietnam though.

Working on a Dream, the album

An Irish radio station just announced that Bruce will be releasing an album entitled "Working on A Dream" (the title song being the single) on 1/20/08.[1]

Just thought I'd let you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.10.146 (talk) 03:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

"Rambo of Rock"??

Hi. Let me express great respect for the quality and thoroughness of this article, and especially the edits of several frequent contributors. I stopped by and threw in a few commas, then started cleaning up some sloppy writing in the "Rambo of Rock" section. I ended up cutting it for the following reason: Having been an early 80s fan and having read quite a lot about Bruce, I could not recall ever hearing the "Rambo of Rock" nickname. The reference included says that "major newspapers" tagged Bruce thusly, but no publications are named. Googling "Rambo of Rock" and "Springsteen" gets only 36 hits (one is this Wikipedia entry) and none cite a major newspaper. There's reference to unofficial buttons and bumper stickers, but since this is a nickname that did not stick, has no citations I can find to the "major newspapers" claimed, and is, as the section admitted, at odds with the intent and meaning of Springsteen's work, it seems unworthy of inclusion here.

I invite the longstanding editors to weigh in before it's restored, and if it is restored, I ask someone to figure out what it means that the Rambo movie "obscured" the title track to "Born in the USA," or keep that part out, because I don't believe its meaning is quite clear. Alias1219 (talk) 04:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The strange use of "obscured" was taken directly from the source in which it originally made no sense. I agree with the cutting of this section as it seemed to be talking too much about The Boss's muscles and some nickname that never really stuck. When it comes down to it this isn't really encyclopaedic content - There are so many more important things to mention and which have not been expanded upon. Most notably: it is never explained that Springsteen has somewhat become a protest singer in recent years - his music finally becoming a vehicle for his political views. I feel this article misses the big picture some of the time and could do with some much needed expansion and clarity. I think the removal of "Rambo of Rock" is a step in the right direction. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I've just completed some clean up which should go some way towards justifying it's GA status. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I don't remember ever hearing of "Rambo of Rock". But this might be a good spot/perhaps related to my question. As I remember, in the early 80, perhaps for the Born in the US tour, he started working out. From the working out, he bulked up in size and muscles. Actually when he started, he desire/ comment was that he was soo tired at the end of a concert, he wished he could play music longer for the fans but lacked the energy. Anybody able to find any quotable source on this. He was also possible the first musician to turn to exercise for this reason, and other do the same now 74.214.54.170 (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

New single

Has it been released a single from his upcoming album since the self-titled song from the album has charted on the swedish singles chart. So has it been released a new single? —Preceding unsigned comment added by QotSA (talk • contribs) 12:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Not really clear. In the U.S. at least, recent Springsteen songs are made available for download, and sometimes have music videos made for them, but that doesn't mean they are singles. "Long Walk Home" was a case in point for the last album. For the new album, both "Working on a Dream" and "My Lucky Day" have been made available for download, but it's not clear whether one or both or neither are actual singles in the U.S., as the definition of "single" has gotten pretty murky. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

A large number of UK broadcasters have now pointed out the marked melodic similarity between this song and the 2008 Teddy Thompson single "In My Arms". As far as I can see, this opinion has not yet filtered through to any "proper" referencable web-page and no amount of blog citation will satisify WP:RS. Am not sure of the point at which "popular musical POV" starts to resemble grounds for copyright infringement/ plagiarism(?) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced Trivia

Strictly copy-editing problems caught my eye, but then I realized the passage in question was both trivial and unsourced, so I cut it. Should anyone disagree and want to revert, here is a properly edited version of the deletion:

On December 19, 2007, Springsteen, a longtime friend and fan of Mike Smith of The Dave Clark Five, dedicated "Born To Run" to Smith and his wife, Charlie, who were attending his concert at The O2 in London. Smith had been paralyzed in an accident at his home in Spain earlier that year.

Thanks Alias1219 (talk) 00:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

hey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.255.228 (talk) 21:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life

There appears to be a problem with this sentence in the "Personal Life" section: "Phillips and Springsteen separated in September 1988 and on August 30, 1988, Julianne filed for divorce. The Springsteen/Phillips divorce was finalized on March 1, 1989."

It implies that the couple filed for divorce before they separated. Unfortunately there isn't a reference cited to check the sequence of events. Anyone with any knowledge of this like to clean it up? --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 00:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

"Springsteen's 1987 album Tunnel of Love described some of his unhappinesses in the relationship". \ I can no find no reference to confirm this, although followers of his work may widely believe it to be so. Generally speaking Springsteen, himself, has always denied writing in an autobiographical manner. The Tunnel of Love album may explore the theme of personal relationships but he has certainly denied that this record actually documented (or "described some of his unhappiness with") his relationship with his first wife. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.53.71 (talk) 05:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Springsteen in Congress

Those of you bother to check the reference after the paragraph about the 2005-2206 Congressional resolution will now notice a discrepancy between the article and its cited source. The cite was to an E! Online story which in turn said it was sourcing an Associated Press report. The E! Online story said that the AP said that New Jersey's two Democratic Senators had introduced a bill honoring Springsteen on the 30th anniversary of Born to Run and it had died in committee. The Library of Congress's THOMAS database has no record of any such bill in the Senate. However, Congressman Frank Pallone from Long Branch, New Jersey did indeed introduce such a bill-- H.RES 628-- in late 2005 which did indeed die in committee the next year. I am inferring that some journalist mixed the two houses of Congress up: the Senators may have issued statements at some point expressing their support of Pallone's bill. The chairman of the committee which killed the bill, by the way, was John Boehner, a conservative Republican who is now the House Minority Leader and who is now making himself famous (or infamous, depending on your political perspective) by leading the fight against President Obama's various initiatives. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 23:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Lock request

Can Wikipedia please lock this page until the concert is done and not in the public eye. It's had 5 vandalism hacks in the last 5 minutes... Acroyear (talk) 01:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

wrong birthdate

Springsteen was born in 1949, not 1939 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.165.36 (talk) 01:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Correct. He only looks, sings, and dances like he was born in 1939. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 04:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

"former Nazi soldier" reference.

Please remove this ridiculous phrase at the beginning of Springsteen profile. It is neither humorous nor clever, and is in fact trite, silly and sophomoric. Again, please remove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.121.174 (talk) 01:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

It was already removed. Jasgrider (talk) 01:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Bruce was born in 1959 not 1949 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemaz8969 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect...Bruce was born in 1939. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 23:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Bruce Springsteen's Birth year is wrong.

He was born in 1949, not 1939. He will turn 60 this year, not 70! Also, the narrative talks about his seeing Elvis Presley on the Ed Sullivan show on TV when he was 7 and being inspired to become a musician. That show wasn't on nor was there any TV until the 1950s.

Bruce is 90.

Bruce Springsteen is 90 born in 1919. I have done my background checks and come up with the birth year of 1919. He was not a Nazi soldier but he does have Asperger's syndrome. This is all accurate information as i said i have done my background checks and i do read his blogs EVERY SINGLE DAY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfillmore (talk • contribs) 01:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Blogs do not qualify as reliable sources. And neither do your ridiculous and unfounded claims. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Indeed! Bruce is only 80, so stop spreading this childishness that he is 90. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 04:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

E Street Band and Discography

The "E street Band" and "Discography" sections are deleted. WHY??????????????. Both are essentials!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.172.66.175 (talk) 04:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

That was a misguided edit by User:Djln that I have reversed. WP:Summary style requires brief summary sections for both of these, even though they have separate articles. If you look at other GA or FA music articles, for example, you'll typically see a summary discography listing studio albums. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• Misguided is a bit strong and very patronizing in tone. Both these sections are pointless considering they have their own articles anyway. All the albums are mentioned elsewhere. They just add to an over lengthy article. Djln--Djln (talk) 16:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

By "misguided" I intended to convey "meant well, but not in conformance with WP guidelines". I apologize if it came across stronger. But read WP:Summary style for what must be done in main articles like this, and look at FA music articles such as Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Metallica, and others. They all have summaries of the discography, and Metallica has a summary in its band member list. Whether we like it or not, it's a requirement for top-level articles (including this one, which is at GA level). Wasted Time R (talk) 16:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Bruce turns 60

Any plans to wikicelebrate The Boss' 60th? Woz2 (talk) 23:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

New pic

What about this new pic ? imo it is awful, anyone else got any opinions? Off2riorob (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It's even worse than the existing top pic, which no one has ever liked. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

That is what I thought, it was inserted by the unloader who has only those 4 edits, we'll stick with the old one then for the time being. Off2riorob (talk) 12:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I actually like the one we have now. Either way the new one is pretty bad. Deserted Cities (talk) 15:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Photos are my thing as a Wikignome here; after uploading a couple hundred photos and placing them- a partial list is on my userpage with a tiny gallery of favorites I rotate. But that photo is really bad, and certainly shouldn't be used here. Re: the infobox photo, I'm glad to hear that others dislike it as much as I do. Generally I don't replace infobox pics, unless a more recent one of equal value is available, or if it's of such bad quality that it needs replacement. If anyone wants me to find a CC-BY-SA photo of Springsteen, please leave a note on my talk page. Which reminds me. The photo of Bob Dylan now in the infobox does no justice to an FA-ranked article. I'd love to revert it to the last one, or find another, and would like feedback on that on my talk page and here as well. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

First movie with his songs, currently incorrect

Bruce's first song appearance was in an obscure Israeli film from 1982, "Dead End Street" (english title). The three songs were "Point Blank", "Hungry Heart" and "Jungleland. The soundtrack was released only in Israel, but the movie was released internationally. The movie poster even mentions Bruce's songs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_End_Street —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.241.229 (talk) 19:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

added to article. thanks. Tubefurnace (talk) 21:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Top photo redux

We have two more candidates for the top photo, Image:Bruce Springsteen 1988.jpg and Image:BruceSpringsteen2009.jpg, up against the longtime hated incumbent Image:Bruce Springteen Front (cropped).jpg. Opinions? Wasted Time R (talk) 13:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Pleased that you chose the most current photo I bumped into while trolling for Max Weinfeld candidates! And more importantly, the photographer was even more pleased which means he'll be giving up a lot more in copyrights to the Wikipedia in the future. In the long run, probably this-- or dare I hope-- a totally up to date photo that isn't as dark will make it through the GA and FA tug-of-war. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

What about videography

e.g. Bruce Springsteen Video Anthology 1978-88--Revery (talk) 07:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Already exists, see Bruce Springsteen discography#Videography. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

This is the worst fucking article I have ever read

This article is so biased, anybody reading it would think this guy is Jesus. I don't remember him donating any of his 9/11: The Album money to charity. Because he DIDN'T. SonicNiGHT 13:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I looked for the word charity in the article and only found it used once, and it didn't mention anything about him donating part of the revenue he got from selling an album to charity. My guess is someone put that in there without there being a verifiable source - Springsteen's wiki page has no protection preventing guests from editing the page after all. --Jesant13 (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone know What Is Bruce Springsteen favorite socks color?

This article looks like an Hello article, not proper of an encyclopedia. [03:21, August 13, 2010 Fpenteado]

Haven't read Hello!, but there aren't many people happy with the state of this article on a variety of counts, myself included. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, it's in need of an edit. There's lots of stuff that could be cut out, "Recent Events" section in particular.Tubefurnace (talk) 20:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

LMAO SonicNiGHT 17:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the mess, major rewrite in progress

Apologies if some of my recent edits don't look great. I'm trying to do a lot to sort out this article but it will take time, and i'll do it bit by bit. I've taken a couple of sections from the Italian and German wikipedia versions, which are both "featured articles". I think this structure is better, but it will need some time to fix everything. Plan to start cutting down the over-long biography, and tidy things into the other subheadings. Also a lot of work to be done in adding citations. Tubefurnace (talk) 20:12, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Political activity

I couldn't help but notice the expansion tag in that section of the article. I'm not certain if anyone recalls, but a short time after the death of Harry Chapin, a concert was held in his honor with a variety of notable musicians, including Graham Nash, Pat Benatar, and Springsteen. I was watching on PBS, I think, and when Springsteen showed, it was at the start of his huge popularity. He seemed oblivious to the fact that for some people, he appeared to be stealing the thunder belonging to Chapin. Dressed up with a harmonica brace and guitar, he made a speech about learning soooooomething from Chapin's humanitarianism: [2] I think this belongs here. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

disruptive editing

I think is time for semi-protection?