Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 February 9

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 9, 2011

CRABCORE

• CRABCORE → Post-hardcore#Electronic (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Delete Target doesn't even mention the term, and genre doesn't even exist, just a term which is only used to mock a single band, Attack! Attack!. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Absalom (The X-Files)

• Absalom (The X-Files) → List of The X-Files characters (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Delete. This seems pretty useless to me - before today, it existed only as one link from This Is Not Happening, and redirects to a character list which does not even contain mention of the character concerned. Ordinarily this would just mean there's an information hole needing filled, but this character appeared in exactly one episode of the relevent television series, and was not even particularly important when they did - clearly not meeting the "three appearances or more" guideline on the page being redirected to. Having delinked the only instance of the redirect, and under the safe assumption that it's not going to be a common search team (and on the off-chance it is, results for a search will still net the episode page), I can't see any reason for this page staying. GRAPPLE X 21:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC) 'Deleteas per above--Breawycker (talk) 22:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Suspect Bosnian training camp

• Suspect Bosnian training camp → Afghan training camp (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Delete. There is no logical reason to link Bosnian training camp to Afghan training camp, and the target makes no mention of Bosnia or Bosnians. Fram (talk) 12:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. There's no apparent reason for the redirect, making it potentially misleading. This was created as a redirect so it's not a product of merger either. Thryduulf (talk) 13:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

3,7-dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione

• 3,7-dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione → Caffeine (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Delete. Just completely ridiculous. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 09:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep, with over 90,000 hits excluding Wikipedia this "invented" name for caffeine is significantly notable. Thryduulf (talk) 13:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. This is one of the more widely recognized chemical names for caffiene and a perfectly legitimate redirect. As Thryduulf points out, this is an "inverted" name (actually, I think this might be the uninverted variant) but variations in such chemical names are common and both are legitimate. See here for more on the evolving naming conventions for organic chemicals. Rossami (talk) 15:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete Very unlikely that someone will correctly type out this name in full. 173.26.237.244 (talk) 00:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Love Again (John Denver album)

• Love Again (John Denver album) → Love Again (album) (links to redirect • history • stats) 

I'd tagged it {{db-r3}} because it's an implausible typo. Someone removed the tag and suggested I take it to RfD... so here I am. The article already has a namespace. No one is going to do a search for "Love Again (John Denver album)", it's a redirect that doesn't have any purpose. I thought most redirects that are this super-disambiguated are deleted after a page move. Or maybe I'm wrong. Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 08:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep This redirect isn't misleading or incorrect. No one is going to do a search for "Love Again (John Denver album)"? The page has been viewed 125 times in the last 30 days. I don't see any benefits in deleting this kind of harmless information. See also Wikipedia:Redirects are cheap. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Vejvančický, of course it's had 125 views in the past 30 days, I just removed all the backlinks yesterday. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 19:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep a very useful redirect. Firstly, with a name like "Love Again" it's not an unlikely guess that there will be another album by this name (hence premptively adding further disambiguation) but at least two other of John Denver's albums are at titles with the "(John Denver album)" disambiguator (Rhymes & Reasons (John Denver album) and Back Home Again (John Denver album) meaning that it is logical to look for other of his albums with the same title. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• This is further evidence that the wording of CSD criterion R3 has become unworkably vague and misunderstood. This is not even a typo, much less an implausible one. The article was first created at this title, then moved to bring the page into compliance with the (somewhat fluid and ever-changing) naming conventions. It was deliberately created at that title in good faith. That action can be mistaken but is clearly not a "typo". The redirect is not misleading and helps to document the pagemove. Keep and we really need to reconsider R3. Rossami (talk) 15:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah, now if that is the case, then I have been essentially deleting these types of redirects for over a year incorrectly. I thought an "implausible typo" could also mean that the chances of someone typing "John Denver album" in the search field, accidentally, was impossible. Because by the time someone types "Love Ag...", the album appears (although currently, the redirect appears first). In short, I thought this was all to help Wikipedia be that much more efficient. Anyway, if this is an incorrect use of criterion R3, then it's not a problem to stop from this point forth! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 19:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The search box is only one way of navigating Wikipedia - most of the other methods do not have suggestions and redirects help people who search using these other methods, and also aid accidental linking. The way you've been using R3 is very wrong - "typo" means "typographical error" (e.g. Love Again (album)) or Love Ahain (album)). The "implausible" qualifier is to exclude things like common misspellings (e.g. Milennium). Thryduulf (talk) 21:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah, haha. Well, in my defense, this doesn't say much for the admins who easily deleted the redirects either. But consider this case closed! Thanks for your clarifications. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 21:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)