Talk:Irish Mob

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Boondock Saints

A question about the list of movies that deal with Irish-American criminals - should "Boondock Saints" (1999) be on that list? It does not technically deal with Irish-American gangsters, but it does deal with Irish-American criminals and is in every way greener that the Emerald Isle. Just a thought. - Mario, 9 February 2006

I wouldn't think so, as both of the actual mafia groups in that movie are non-Irish; Russian and Italian, to be specific. -- nae'blis _(talk) 20:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

That's a good point. Should movies featuring only Irish organized crime be listed, instead of Irish-Americans involved against other organized crime organizations ? Also I believe the father was involved in organized crime as a hitman in Boondock Saints if I remember correctly. Should Death to Smoochy be included also ? MadMax 07:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Boondock Saints should be taken out as its about Irish Vigilantes, not Irish gangsters. I think the dad is a hitman for the Italian mafia. I'm taking it out. Rundar 23:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Article name

Why is this under Irish mafia and not Irish mob, if that's what they're most commonly called? -- nae'blis _(talk) 20:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be titled Irish mob. 69.218.181.192 03:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• While I do think the "Irish Mafia" title seems to suggest an offshoot, if not a direct influence of the Italian Mafia, it also seems a bit redundant to name every ethnic criminal group with "Mafia" or even "Mob" as each respective organization operates completely differently. I would suggest Irish (or Irish-American) organized crime. MadMax 22:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Irish-American organized crime seemed clunky, but Google and other sources seemed to support "Irish Mob" (still with two capitals), so I made the move tonight, and fixed all redirects. -- nae'blis _(talk) 06:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I do agree to a certain extent, however would say Jewish-American or Russian-American criminal organizations also be called the Jewish or Russian Mob ? Also how would Irish (as opposed to Irish-American) organized crime be described ? It seems a bit "Americanized" if you will to refer to them as the Mob or Mafia. MadMax 07:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Mostly garbage

This article is loaded with misinformation and nonsense. I have a suspicion it was written by a Brit. No one in the U.S. who knows what they're talking about refers to the Irish mob as the "Irish mafia." And Edward O'Neill as a popular member of The Westies? Who the hell is Edward O'Neill?? Check out wikipedia's own fine entry on the Westies (or the 400-pg book by T.J. English) and you will see no mention of anyone named Edward O'Neill.

Also... the K&A crew from Philly is NOT an Irish organized crime group and never has been. There were a few K&A members with vague Irish American heritage, but this does not make them part of the Irish mob. In the definitive book about Irish American gangsters, "Paddy Whacked" by T.J. English, this "gang" isn't even mentioned.

Also... biker gangs have no business being included in an entry that is supposed to be about the Irish mob.

All in all, this entry is below wikipedia standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelgabriel (talk • contribs)

• The K&A gang was a major racketeering group involved in high-profile heists and drug smuggling operations and they were based in a traditionally Irish-American neighborhood. Why wouldn’t this qualify as part of the Irish Mob? And just because T.J. English doesn’t mention it in paddy Whacked doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. He also didn’t mention how Kevin Weeks took over the Winter Hill gang after Bulger, or how Bosco Radonjich took over the Westies after Coonan and Kelly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.199.20.130 (talk • contribs)

• It might also be worth mentioning that even the most recent books will be out of date as T.J. English's book, which I might add it an impressive read, does leave out certain information and only covers Irish organized crime up to the late 1990s. Of couse takig into content and time restrictions, this can't be helped however in my opinion Paddy Whacked shouldn't be taken as gospel either. By the way Gabiel, I agree with you on the naming convention (as seen in the above conversation) however it appears I'm the the minority. MadMax 21:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

There is some utter nonsense in here... If I knew more about the Irish mob I'd fix the article, but then that's why I wanted to read the darn thing in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.195.245 (talk) 03:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The term Mafia is Italian and should not be used in connection with the Irish Mob. --Juliannef 03:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and I really have doubts about Melbourne's Irish Catholic working class being especially prone to organised crime. Some of my ancestors were in this group, and I have heard nothing to this effect. There is not even a stereotype. OK, maybe the Morans are Irish Catholics, but that is one (modern) family. Two of the most famous Melbourne gangsters, Snowy Cutmore and Squizzy Taylor, do not appear to have been Catholic. At least I can't find any evidence to that effect. As for the famous Ned Kelly, he was certainly an Irish Catholic, but so were many of the policemen he struggled with. 210.11.146.197 10:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC) (Julian O'Dea).

Jewish-American organized crime and naming conventions

There is currently a debate to discuss moving the article title of Jewish-American organized crime to American Jews in organized crime. The reasoning for this move is to provide what has been refered a less offensive and accusatory title which applies to Talk:African-American organized crime and Talk:Greek-American organized crime.

One point which was brought up was the absence from a seperate article to differenciate between Irish-American organized crime and internationally (as with Italian-American organized crime and the Mafia). I know this has been discussed before, however the issue to split Mafia between its U.S. and international equivalants should be considered. MadMax 07:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I suggest that the Irish Mob Wars article be merged into this article. Said article has very little content, and can very easily be merged here, indeed, much of the information is simply repetition. There already exists a subsection about the Winter Hill Gang - Charlestown mob war in the '70s. The rest of the article involves internecine warfare amongst the Westies in New York. Once again, much of this is repetition, and the rest can be integrated easily. Any thoughts? If there is no objection, I will perform the merger later this week. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 01:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hearing no objection, the merge has been performed. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The Departed

If you look at the Wiki page for The Departed it makes no reference to the Irish Mob, Whitey Bulger or otherwise. In fact it claims the movie was inspired from "Infernal Affairs" from Hong Kong.

So which is it? 72.70.80.98 (talk) 23:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The movie is, in some ways, a remake of Internal Affairs. But, in a very large sense, it is also inspired by the real-life story of collusion between the FBI and the Irish Mob in Boston. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 00:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The movie is a remake of Infernal Affairs (in ALL ways). It was not inspired by the real-life Irish Mob. In my opinion this should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.198.227 (talk) 15:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

You are incorrect. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 22:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Great Britain

How about adding a Great Britain section:

The Clerkenwell Crime Syndicate The Noonans Tam McGraw Jimmy Moody Frankie Fraser Yeliab1 (talk) 02:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Add it yourself, but only if you have reliable sources for said syndicate. Otherwise, forget it. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

A underground Irish mob film

Last night I tried to add the film What Doesn't Kill You, to the list. However, it was taken down shortly because RepublicanJacobite believed the article did no indicate it was about the Irish mob. I watched the film before hand and can attest. that every criminal character featured in it was Irish. The character of Pat Kelly was indeed a low level Southie mob boss. And the two main character were lowly hoods working for him. Can anyone else attest to this film being worthy? --LokiHavok (talk) 05:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Please find a reliable source that says so, the observations of other editors do not count. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 13:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Where in the article about A History of Violence does it say anything about the the Irish, let alone them mob. If anything What Doesn't Kill You's article is obviously more of an Irish mob movie in referring to the article. Bythe way what constitutes as a reliable source? Cause if you google -"What Doesn't Kill You" "Irish mob"- I would say you would come back with undeniable sources backing up the statement that this is indeed a movie about the Irish mob. --LokiHavok (talk) 14:31, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Fine, if it's so easy, find one and add it. What are you pissing and moaning about? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Cause you really don't know what you are talking about. Why remove something you know jack-shit about? When there are more unworthy articles on the page that mention even less about the subject in question, then the one you removed.--LokiHavok (talk) 15:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Listen, I am not going to argue with you, especially when you have chosen to be insulting rather than assume good faith. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Well it's there now. I re-added the movie as a found a "reliable" source. Check the page to verify if you wish. I also took the liberty of finding a source for A history of Violence So I re-added that as well--LokiHavok (talk) 06:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

References need to be added here, not just in the film articles. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 14:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

One Eyed King

RepublicanJacobite...can you explain to my why the reference, and by extension the film isn't adequate/up to "your standards" enough to be included. By all meanw enlighten me that you seem to be an Irish Mob expert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.166.76 (talk) 04:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I have never claimed to be an expert, but I have been around enough to know which sources are adequate and which are not. The ref. you provided was simply a list of films, with no explanatory information whatsoever. Furthermore the WP article about the film never mentions the Irish Mob. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 04:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Half of the movies on the list don't mention "Irish" and "mob" in conjunction. It's common fucking sense. Irish Mob refers to any loose-federation of Irish-American criminals. Or don't you know what article you're editing? Irish Mob isn'ta cohesive thing late the LCN(La Cosa Nostra/American Mafia). It's not fucking rocket science you pompous douche --75.130.166.76 (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Common sense has nothing to do with it. Furthermore, your attitude is unhelpful, and I have no intention of discussing the matter with you any further. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 14:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Gunrunning for IRA

Doesn't the Irish Mob have a history of running guns for the IRA? Isn't this notable enough for the article? 76.237.237.40 (talk) 00:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Nothing can be added to the article without a reliable source. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 18:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Uhmmmm... oh gee...that's right, a whole book was written about this...How the f--- can someone writing an article on the Irish Mob overlook this: Nee, Patrick; Farrell and Richard; Blythe, Michael (2006). A criminal & an Irishman : the inside story of the Boston mob-IRA connection. Hanover, N.H.: Steerforth Press. p. 23. ISBN 9781586421038? Or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Nee ? 98.176.233.118 (talk) 06:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)