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Aspen Network of Development Entrepreneurs

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++++ delete above here if no further edits - already in archive. If further edits, move below here.

I humbly accept the NeoVSP deletion :-)

NewB mistakes I guess :-) Anyhow - I was wondering if you put the error in this quote "change his spots nor the leopard his skin" on purpose. — Oded — Preceding unsigned comment added by OdedIlan (talk • contribs) 06:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

• Yes. That is why I created the quote as a link so that people could see the correct version. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 12:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I guess having a Master's in English Lit. while working as a Hightech VP does have a few benefits :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by OdedIlan (talk • contribs) 07:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Space Camp Spain

Hi RHaworth, May I ask how I can improve my article to avoid the deletion? Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xala22 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

• Links to reliable sources in English possibly? — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 00:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, reliable sources in Spanish might be enough, if they are good sources and there are a few of them. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Ta!

was about to report it (Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:28, 9 April 2011 (UTC)).

Sven Kullander (physicist)

In the talk page, as per instructions, I explained that I was awaiting details from Mats Lewan to put in this page. I got the information for inclusion a few hours later and found the page had already been deleted. Was there some problem with just waiting a bit to see if the page got fixed in the meantime?

Anyway, quite frankly it is not worth my time working on this, so having repaired the damage caused by consequent broken links I'll just drop the idea. Brian Josephson (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

• Wikipedia simply does not need placeholders. When you have an article ready, post it. Until then it is better to have red links that indicate the lack of an article. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 17:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

There already is an article for a Sven Kullander so the situation is not that simple. It is unfortunate that the person who referred to SK in the first place got the wrong person and linked to him but as Lewan had told me of the existence of the Swedish page it seemed a good idea to link to it (and will help to avoid errors in the future; if people don't like it they can always use the amazing back button). Incidentally, the W'pedia community has got me to thank for spotting there was an inconsistency in the first place (that the link did not go to a physicist), and helping to set the record straight. Brian Josephson (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Update: it has been agreed that, given that the English editors appear to be significantly less tolerant than Swedish ones, producing an English version is not worth the effort even though we have some text now -- there's always Google Translate, for those who want to know what the Swedish version says. -- Brian Josephson (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

• Agreed by you and who else? What an amazing fuss considering that I did not delete anything of any substance. Also please note that we do not have moderators on Wikipedia - the difference is very significant. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 21:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedian seeking a mentor

Hello, I live in California, teach and tutor on a part time basis. I previously practiced as a CPA, and worked in Public Accounting for a number of years, had my own very tiny practice, and decided to change professions, for a number of reasons.

I opened my Wikipedia account in 2006 or 2007, and began contributing.

I was formerly adopted by A-Nobody, who was pleasant, but sadly, not very helpful. In early 2010, I became less and less enthusiastic about my participation in Wikipedia projects, articles, and the group as a whole; my lack of enthusiasm really stemmed from not understanding the Wikipedia community, the politics, people, details and nuances of contributing. Just feeling very out of touch. Well, when I came back to my user page, looked around, and tried to catch up, I found that A-Nobody has been indefinitely banned. When I made an inquiry or two, about the circumstances, and the fact that I was interested in being adopted, again, I was not given a reply.

Today, on live help, I was advised to seek a mentor through the Ambassador Program, at Wikipedia. Please let me know if you think we could make a good match.

Thank you, Kat. Irshgrl500 20:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irshgrl500 (talk • contribs)

• My first reaction is: you have a reasonably sound contributions history. On your user talk page, I did not see a single human complaining about your edits. So why do you feel a need for a mentor? I steer well clear of Wikipedia politics. For example, I looked at this discussion about A Nobody with total apathy. I am not in the habit of "stalking" other editors' work. But if you have any specific questions, feel free to ask. Incidentally re the fact that SineBot came in after you: I believe the problem is that you have created a custom signature in your preferences but it does not create any link to your user or user_talk page. Feel free to use my signature format: — {{subst:user1|Irshgrl500}} or simply cancel your custom signature. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 21:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello Roger, Thank you for your replies. Perhaps my motivation in seeking a mentor is my lack of confidence in understanding some of the applications in Wikipedia, and the "nuance" of the communities, within Wikipedia. (i.e. - the accepted protocol of certain projects and not being or feeling connected.) I suppose this could be attributed to my lack of participation, in various projects but that stems from the lack of confidence, thus it is a wash. An example of my lack of understanding is with the "term" Sockpuppeting (which was a contributing reason for A-Nobody's ban, was it not?). I am not entirely clear on the meaning of Sockpuppeting. I think it basically is a form of fraud by a User, by means of identify. I.e. - signing on under different User names or accounts, in order to contribute. Again, I am not clear with reasons or potential User behavior involving the term Sockpuppeting. My thoughts at this point are, to proceed with my participation in Wikipedia, while becoming more committed and involved in writing articles, edits and with the projects I am a member of. Could you be available for intermittent questions, or advice? I can be a bit "high maintenance" but would keep the questions to a few per week. Let me know what you think. Lastly, thank you for the compliment with your comment regarding my talk page. My objective in communicating on any talk page is to not offend while making a point. However, at times, my time and efforts in my achieving my objective are in excess. For example, two years ago on my talk page, efforts with my written replies, in 2 long paragraphs made to A COMPUTER BLOT! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irshgrl500 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

---Signature Issue BAFFLES ME--- Even after applying your signature format, I am redirected and interrupeted in edits by the Sinebot. WHY?????? This should be so simple!!![[::User:Irshgrl500|Irshgrl500]] (talk · contribs) 16:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[[::User:Irshgrl500|Irshgrl500]] (talk · contribs) 16:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

• I am very happy to reply to intermittent questions. The first paragraph of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry describes that problem very clearly. User:Vaznecek is one example of a sock puppet - created to avoid a ban. The term is not "blot" but "bot" - as in robot. Signature now seems fixed. With this edit you simply forgot to sign. It is fine in this edit but you should add " — " or " -- " at the front of it. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 10:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Roger, thank you for your reply. Sock pupperty, is as I thought, a form of fraud on the User's part, for what ever reason. (to evade what ever consequences, vandalize, etc.) And I should have recognized that the term is "bot", not "blot". When I have questions, I leave will a message, here on your talk page. Again, thank you for your help. Kat [[::User:Irshgrl500|Irshgrl500]] (talk · contribs) 13:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

[[::User:Irshgrl500|Irshgrl500]] (talk · contribs)  13:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of memorials -- Understand

RHaworth, Thank you very much for helping me with the understanding of posting memorials. I am a new editor here, and I thought I have read everyting, I must have missed that. I do have a quick question. I am a little confused on the copyright tags. I just go permission to use the club house photo from the person that took it, but now I do not know what tag I should use. Thank you in advance for helping out a rookie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shortpockets (talk • contribs) 05:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

• Follow these instructions and select "Attribution ShareAlike 3.0" for the licence. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 10:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Fastsigns

RHaworth, I just wanted to get an understanding for why the new Fastsigns page was deleted. I have looked at the description for section G11 (speedy deletion), and I feel like I have abided by the rules. If you would let me know how I could improve or fix the page so it is not removed, that would be great. Thanks! Kilgoretrout89 (talk) 22:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

• This guideline says that we do not SHOUT the company's name even if they do so themselves and we do not need ® anywhere in an article such as this. When I saw both these guidelines flagrantly violated, I assumed the article must have been posted by someone from the company. Also there was just one independent reference - the others being press releases. If you attend to these matters you may find a sympathetic reception at deletion review. I would send you your text if you had e-mail set up. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 23:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much RHaworth. I was unaware that the capitalization and ® were the problem. I will also add in some additional references. One question, the guidelines you directed me to seem to be for simple undeletion requests. Since I need to make corrections before requesting an undeletion, what steps should I take? Thank you again, I look forward to working this out! — Kilgoretrout89 (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

• So create a draft in User:Kilgoretrout89/sandbox and link to it from your undeletion request. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 10:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Rhaworth, Thank you so much for your guidance, I am learning as I go! I have just updated the page, placed it in my sandbox, and put the request through on the deletion review page (which links to my sandbox.) I hope that works! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilgoretrout89 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Did you consider correcting the shouting and removing the ®s before going to DRV? — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 21:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

They should have all been removed in my sandbox version, with the exception of the one in the first line. I was just following suit with how TIME Magazine clarified their capitalized branding. This example was mentioned in the Manual of Style you sent me, so I thought it would be acceptable. If it is not, then I can remove. thanks!

Kilgoretrout89 (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey,

It's me again. I have just looked over the deletion review page discussion about Fastsigns. There were some concerns regarding notability, however another editor mentions that Fastsigns certainly meets the requirements. I would really like to get this page up. I am starting to get confused! Let me know what I should do. Regarding the image, I do have permission to distribute the image. If I have improperly tagged it, please advise. Thanks!

Kilgoretrout89 (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Semi-Protection

Hello Roger, How does one semi-protect an article? Is this procedure only available to Administrators? I am asking about this procedure because there is an article I made a few edits to, and left messages regarding the edits, which has been edited, needlessly, over the last 2 years. (Not all edits were needless.) The article is a biography about a 13 year old, who committed suicide over Cyber bullying. Some of the edits have taken form of opinions, and been the product of "hyped" interests, possibly due to the fact that the story was fictionalized on the TV show, Law and Order. Someone suggested semi-protecting the article, back in Sept. 2010, and was ignored. I actually think semi-protecting the article is a fantastic idea. And the article was actually the product of vandalism, and the User who vandalized the article was banned. Thank you, Kat [[::User:Irshgrl500|Irshgrl500]] (talk · contribs) 13:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Correct: only admins can protect or semi-protect. So why leave me to guess which article you are talking about - give me a link for goodness sake! The suggestion in 2010 Sept was not ignored. C.Fred's replied to say the level of vandalism was not high enough to justify protection. I think nothing has changed but if C.Fred now thinks different, I will let him protect. You just have to resign yourself to watching the page - you do have a watchlist don't you? When you revert an edit make sure to leave a message such as this or this. Also check the vandal's contribution history: if they have done several recent acts of vandalism, report it at WP:AIV. Look at a few articles in Category:Wikipedia semi-protected pages, see what was happening to them before semi-protection and compare that with the level of vandalism on the page about Megan. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 15:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. [[::User:Irshgrl500|Irshgrl500]] (talk · contribs) 12:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

IntoUniversity

Hi Roger, What further information would you like to see so that I can show that IntoUniversity is notable? Thanks Roger! — James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebkac (talk • contribs) 11:31, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

• Do the words links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources suggest anything to you? — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 11:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
• Ok fair cop, thanks Rogger, I'll have a look for further mentions of the organsation around the press & Internet so will make the article better over the next hour. Speak to you in a bit Pebkac (talk) 11:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Uzuc

Hello! Can you tell me what is wrong with Uzuc Ploiești article? Where is my mistake? Please help me (if you can / want) how to create a corect article based on the original Uzuc Ploiești. Thank you! Media-vani (talk) 13:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

• When you did this edit how could you possibly not see that you had added a massive speedy delete request box? But I will admit it was a bit cruel of me to treat that as a request to delete the article. Your contributions history suggests that you have a COI so I am very reluctant to restore to (article) space. I suggest you try and find better references then either raise the matter at deletion review or find someone familiar with the subject area to move the article for you. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 14:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion nomination

Hi RHaworth. Thank you for your work on patrolling new pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I'm just letting you know that I declined your deletion request for Sir john voce moore, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, under criterion A7 because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Although containing very little information, and badly formatted, this article (now moved to John Voce Moore) contains a clear assertion of notability - namely that the subject was Lord Mayor of London from 1898-1899. Please take a moment to look at the suggested tasks for patrollers and review the criteria for speedy deletion. Particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion, proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thryduulf (talk • contribs)

• Please check to whom you are talking before you use a standard message. But here's one in return: please sign talk page messages with ~~~~ ! Funny, but a few minutes ago I was looking at this AfD which says that "being mayor of an Irish city is a largely ceremonial post". Same goes for Lord Mayors of London even back in 1890. Was it actually worth keeping? It is not even an article. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 15:05, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Apologies for not signing, that was an oversight. While the Lord Mayor of London is a ceremonial post, the post is clearly a notable one and so being a holder of that post is a clear assertion of notability and so is ineligible for speedy deletion. Whether this post holder is notable enough for an article I don't know, all I know is that they might be and so speedy deletion is incorrect. Thryduulf (talk) 15:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Monroe High School

Just wanted to let you know that sometime in August of this year 2011, we'll have to take off the coordinates for Monroe High School, because they'll be at a new address that don't have coordinates for. I've got the new address, that I'll be adding in there. Here's kind of the story. The school district is moving Monroe from the site they're at now, to the site the Junior High/Middle school use to be at. I was able to get the address for that site, that I'll have in there, once I know it's offical. After this school year, I'll be checking the schools website, to see when they'll update it. Just wanted to let you know. I'll have to get a new picture up soon. After this school year, I'll be taking off the current picture that's up there. Just wanted to let you know though, so that you're not wondering what I'm doing with the page, or article. I'll have to try and get a picture of the building that they'll be in for next school year. (JoeCool950 (talk) 08:21, 16 April 2011 (UTC))

• Noted. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 11:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I am sorry. I was intending to create a template in sq.wikipedia, but unfortunately it seems I opened the wrong page. Are you an admin, in order to delete the created template?--Pedanti (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, only admins can delete. Users get rid of their mistakes by applying a {{db-author}} tag. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 11:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

The Admissions Council

Hello RHaworth, I am not sure why my page was deleted, I am trying to add a new page to wiki and it seems to be saying it is spam. I added references and I am not sure what I did wrong. Could you please help me understand what the problem is? I'm not trying to promote anything just creating an info page.(Richard33321 (talk) 08:11, 17 April 2011

• Not sure! The deletion log clearly states A7, G11 and G12. Did you follow those links? Clearly a total absence of links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources influenced our decisions to delete. Please read template:uw-coi and wait until someone with no COI decides your company is notable and writes about it. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 18:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Copyvio images uploaded by Newcrash

G'day from Oz; you have just deleted some images uploaded by User:Newcrash that I tagged; there is one more image s/he (probably he) uploaded that I am sure is a copyvio. I found this, which is the same picture but I think is a different-size file to the one actually uploaded (here). Despite looking for about an hour, I cannot find the exact-same file. However, given the track-record of Newcrash and the similarity of the two images, is that enough to act upon? YSSYguy (talk) 09:59, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

• In fact F4: lack of licensing information could be used without showing any copyvio. And the uploader's track record helps to confirm. Amused that you are in Oz whilst for me it would be an interesting afternoon out to try and find the locations of File:KLM Croydon DC-2 accident.jpg and File:Flight 701 crashsite.jpg. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 10:43, 18 April 2011 (UTC)