Talk:2011 Monaco Grand Prix

Grid Positions

The grid positions in the qualifying table are wrong, because the people who qualified 10-24th actually started in the 09-23rd grid slots due to Perez's injury, not 10-24th like it says. Should this be changed? Sas1998 (talk) 09:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

When someone does not start a race, the people behind do not move up a grid slot. Take US 2005 GP for example - several of the teams did not start the race due to concerns over tyre safety. By watching videos on YouTube you can easily see that the guys at the back did not move forward. The same happened in Hungary 2009 when Felipe Massa got injured and did not start - his slot was left empty. The same happened for Perez in Monaco. Even though the guys behind started in effect as 9-23 rd on the road. They still filled grid slots 10 - 24. Just because somebody else did not start, this does not entitle the drivers behind to in effect gain a place! Colinmotox11 (talk) 09:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I can see both sides to this, and neither is wrong. It's true that when a driver does not start, his grid slot is left empty, whether his withdrawal is prior to race day or at the last minute. The issue is whether you're describing actual position on the grid, or "effective" position on the grid. Hamilton's grid position was 10th, but he only had eight cars in front of him, so there's a conflict there. Sources like FORIX seem to be closing up the grid and citing effective grid position, but they may not be consistent in that - FORIX shows Glock as 21st on the grid in Turkey, whereas in actual fact, he never appeared on the grid. Why they should treat Pérez differently, I don't know - maybe it's because he basically withdrew the day before the race. Whatever we decide to do, we have to make it clear that Pérez' slot was left empty. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Why not write it clearly in the race report? Leave Hamilton 10th, etc, and explain it in text. With sentences,, not a bullet point note. --Falcadore (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

He was not 10th - They closed the grid up. http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2011/855/ shows Hamiltion as grid place 9, as did the TV transmission grid placements, also I just looked at my recording, and he was on the right side of the track (odd numbers), with Maldonado on the left side at No.8, and Petrov at No.10 on the left side.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Correct. I have tweaked to show this. Moriori (talk) 00:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Whatever the case, it must be noted that Hamilton was actually deemed to have qualified in ninth (and so Perez in tenth) - cf. [1] and [2] «dæɑðe jekwæɑld» (talk) 08:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why you didn't just edit to that effect. Can someone explain to me why Hamilton was classified 9th in qualifying and not 10th? On the timing screens, before Hamilton's flying lap, he was shown below Pérez. He only put in one flying lap and it was deleted, leaving him with nothing but out-laps and in-laps. Given that Pérez did an out-lap before Hamilton, Pérez should have been 9th and Hamilton 10th. Pérez was not withdrawn until after Hamilton's penalty was given. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The problem is, I had edited it to that effect, and added a reference to back it up, but it was reverted (several times)! «dæɑðe jekwæɑld» (talk) 13:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there does seem to have been a bit of argy-bargy over this. I blame the FIA, it's bound to be their fault. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Don't think there was argy bargy as much as some editors not being up with the play. The days of leaving empty grid spots are gone. FIA Regulation 36.4 says if one or more cars are withdrawn the grid will be closed up accordingly. That's why I changed the article to say "Hamilton started ninth in the position vacated by Pérez". Moriori (talk) 21:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hispania 107% rule

Hi, the article currently says that the hispanias failed to make a 107% time in free practice, but were allowed to run. However, from the numbers on http://www.f1.co.uk/read-news/2011/2675/monaco-gp-free-practice-3-times they do both seem to have made it within the 1.20.471 by a tenth or so in practice 3, so I'm amending the sentence. Coolug (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I guess the original sentence was actually referring to qualifying, which is officially called the qualifying practice session, although admittedly not many people would know/realise that! «dæɑðe jekwæɑld» (talk) 19:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton's Comments

Just looking over the article and surely there should be a post race section covering things like Hamilton's outburst. Zunraa (talk) 21:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)