Talk:History of archery

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JFD 06:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Use of the bow and arrow in the Americas

I was shocked when I was told that the bow and arrow were brought to the Americas by Europeans. I came to this article to confirm or deny this statement and it says almost nothing about the use of archery in the pre-Columbian Americas. The one claim made in this article is backed up by an article from 1901! I'm not an expert on this and i wouldn't know where to start, but for you archery experts out there can you support or deny this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthurian Legend (talk • contribs) 17:21, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

http://www.westernartifacts.com/museum.htm

According to this website, there exist many arrowheads found in North America that date back well before Columbus. :Mortician103 (talk) 03:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

There's no doubt at all that the pre-Columbian Americans knew archery. The first written accounts are from Columbus' first voyage. The article should at least mention that the bows are used by the natives of both North and South America as well as by the Inuit. It is known that the some tribes and the Inuit used composite bows, anywhere else some kind of long bow was used. -- 91.67.198.27 (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Bows and arrows were in widespread use when Europeans arrived in the Americas. So were atlatls. Dating the first use is difficult anywhere in the world because stone points - which survive very well and of course are very widespread - may have been used on atlatl darts or on spears. To demonstrate the use of bows you really need to produce the bows themselves, and they just don't survive that well. There are a few from Northern European bogs, which is why the history of archery currently starts there. I've read comments that archery was fairly recent in the Americas, but I'd love to find a good secondary source on the subject. Richard Keatinge (talk) 09:27, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Suggest deletion

As there is little here (apart from the pictures) not already,and generally better, in the Archery article. Richard Keatinge (talk) 17:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Expansion with material from Archery

I have done a fairly extensive rewrite.Richard Keatinge (talk) 18:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Further expansion

User:Ghostexorcist suggests expanding the section on China. It is not the only section in which considerable expansion would be possible. Indeed, almost anything to do with archery could be put in here. May I suggest that this article can be expanded, but that we should take full advantage of internal and external links and further reading to keep it encyclopaedic, but still a lot shorter than my archery bookshelf?Richard Keatinge (talk) 18:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The Amazonian tribe

Is real. Someone pointed out that this wasn't actually first contact and cried foul, and Survival International pointed out that they'd never said it was first contact, they'd been monitoring this group for years from the air, but they had never spoken with the people. Who are definitely aiming bows, possibly loaded. Richard Keatinge (talk) 15:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Sub-Saharan Africa Archery

I don't see much information on this page detailing if and/or when sub-Saharan African people created and/or used bows. I know Nubians had extensive interaction with Egyptians and were used as soldiers, so maybe they were taught to create the bow and arrow? Does anyone have any reliable sources of information concerning this? Mortician103 (talk) 03:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sub Saharan Africa Archery

Well, according to the Egyptians themselves, Nubians were fierce archers. It seems as if Egyptians (along with Greeks, Persians, and other ancient civilizations) believed Nubians to be better archers than themselves, which, along with the fact that the oldest arrowheads are found in sub-Saharan Africa, leads me to wonder if Nubians taught archery to Egyptians, rather than the other way around. The practice of archery either sprang up independantly in numerous spots (Native Americans were practicing archery before they had any known contact with outsiders), or it started in sub-saharan Africa and spread from there. But as far as Egyptians and Nubians, I'm pretty sure Nubians and other more southern Africans were archers before anyone else. With all the wild game in sub-Saharan Africa, from warthogs to zibras, it makes sense that they would have been one of the first to "arch". LOL.

Somebody definitely needs to add Nubia to the article, though. I am one of those "Afro-centrists", so I look for afro-exclusionism, even when its not there. But, I think this article's total lack of information about Nubian archery and it's abundance of information about European archery is pretty damn Afro-exclusionist. As of now, the article has that "everything was invented by white people" theme to it. Maybe I'm looking too Afro-centristicly at the whole thing, but it gets kind of old for black people to be excluded from historicle significance. Thatmaned (talk) 18:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

All we need is reliable sources. There are difficulties with archaeology - Africa's a bit short of peat bogs and glaciers, which preserved much early European archery, and stone points are pretty much the same from arrows or from small throwing spears. I'd love to have a full history of who invented the bow and where, but we're not likely to find out. A comment on Nubia shouldn't be hard to source from Egyptian archaeology and written records though.Richard Keatinge (talk) 06:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

when it come to europe even if it is in balkan or gorgia it was europe and there are westan asia ,central asia, south asia, euroasia, east asia, india ,china ,arub, egypt not africa.but how europe is one not divided. it seen that divide and rule is the moto of the writer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.59.66 (talk) 11:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Is this a response to my query when reverting your (the IP's) recent removals of cited material from the article? If so, it won't do. We use the same common English terminology and geopolitical definitions as our sources, regardless of our personal point of view on... whatever you mean, which I have to say I can't quite make out but seems to hang loosely on perceived cultural or geopolitical Imperialism. If you feel there's a useful point to be made on an article topic, please make it by citing reliable scholarly sources relevant to the topic. Haploidavey (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2011 (UT

But still you did not ans how balkan and gorgia which is like cape of good hope to england is Eropion and which is egyption is not mention African.And so many Asia and one erope.common English terminology and geopolitical definitions as our sources is it mean what english scholar says.I am just asking why this double stander with all respect to everyones viewe.

OK, I think I get your meaning but this probably isn't the most appropriate venue for discussion of these conventions (and what underpins them) in any depth, or to specific purpose in the development of this article. Have you any specific suggestions on how this article could be improved? Haploidavey (talk) 15:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I just wanted to know why is so and secound there are to many thing which look like lack of sensitivity mentioning about enything out of Eroup. like it said ,Mythological figures such as Arjuna, Eklavya, Karna, Rama, Lakshmana, Bharata and Shatrughan are also associated with archery.And what wbout Apolo and greek gods are they are not mythological but no mention of it.Third if this is not a place to discusion then why it is in this page.if you think my point is write than remove it form the artical.And plz give me some point what is relevant to the topic from your point of view.cos what I said is not relevant to this artical. Thanx very much for understanting my views.

We don't really know when archery began.....

Archery, as we know it, is a far cry from its earliest development. Austrlian Aborigines hunted game with bows from distances exceeding 200 meters, as their oral tradition has it. Australian bows range from about half a meter length (used in "pursuit" hunting) to about 2.3 meters, used in sport and war.

Arrows vary from flat unfletched sticks about 700 cm long, tipped with rotten Kangaroo liver to 3-fletched and 4-fletched cylindrical arrows, with large flint or obsidian points that resemble barbs. The complexity of the weapon made it less than popular, owing to the development of the boomerang and later, steel spikes that were thrown from as far as 75 meters. Yet another development was the Kumawala (?), which amounts to a slotted stick, swung in a wide arc, sending the wooden or metal projectile considerable distances with surprising accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocmike3 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

MILHIST initial assessment

Rated as start because, although much of the article is well referenced, other areas lack citations.Monstrelet (talk) 17:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Villavar

I've been making some edits to the Kerala article, mostly on origins and early history and culture; Villavar (which I've tagged for clarification) currently redirects to Archery. It should probably redirect or pipe-link to History of archery#Indian Subcontinent but as in the Kerala article, nothing there explains the term. Does anyone (Richard K, for instance?) know of reliable scholarly sources on archery's role in Villavar culture? (I've placed a similar request at Archery) Haploidavey (talk) 13:13, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Advent of Islam

The bow and arrow constituted the classical Indian weapon of warfare, from the Vedic period, until the advent of Islam,what is the point. what happen to bow and arrow after avdant of islam. Islam came to india frist comig to ancient iran and iraq.if enything good or bad which is not clear, has to do with advent of islam than it should have mention above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nkatyan (talk • contribs) 15:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)