Talk:Final Cut Pro

Final Cut Pro X

There should probably be a new entry for Final Cut Pro X - it is an entirely new application. Aside from the name and that it's intended for video editing the applications have nothing in common.

Feature films list

Should the feature films edited be moved further down the page? OK, post Cold Mountain FCP can edit feature films, granted, but on that basis every Vogue cover should be in the Photoshop listing! Less gravitas, more info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.114.57 (talk • contribs)

Agreed. I have moved the list to List of feature films edited with Final Cut Pro, linked it appropriately on the main FCP article, and reduced the list on the main article to a short paragraph. It conveys the fact that FCP is a serious film-editing program, without burdening the article with a long list. While I think that it would be quite appropriate for the list page to grow extensively, I would think that any films listed on the main page should either be big-budget or significant in their technical breakthroughs (like Sky Captain). --TangentIdea 02:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I think this list has no reason to be here. Can anyone prove all of these films were edited with Final Cut Pro? There are no citations for any of them. In fact, I visited Joel Cox in the cutting room while he was working on Letters from Iwo Jima, and he was most definitely using Avid to cut it. To me, that makes almost all of these films suspect. --Guido del Confuso 11:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm confident the list has every reason to be here, for the same reason a college entry might list notable alumnii. I believe it should remain. It's not oppressively long, and it provides an illustrative progression from smaller, more indie films, to large studio product. However, if there's indeed a mistake in it (like Letters from Iwo Jima -- as you attest and seem to be sure of) feel free to edit it out or contest that information with a citation. WikiTracker 00:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I too believe the list is an important historical record which shows the pattern of adoption that took place from late 2001 to about 2006. However, we have come to the point where so much is being done with FCP within the professional sphere that continued additions to the list could overburden it and decrease its historic value. Perhaps a closing date should be chosen for included films, and the section title should be changed to "Landmark Films Using Final Cut Pro" or "Early Films to Use Final Cut Pro" or "Films that pioneered the use of Final Cut Pro." Just an idea... WikiTracker (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

As for proof, I just now added an entry to the list "Specied III" (after just watching the film), the proof was in the credits (I'm not sure how to cite it, someone else can if they care.) [I don't have a username.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.138.199.54 (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, typo, that should be "Species III". 118.138.199.54 (talk) 14:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Documentry

Should we also include a list for documentrys? there are many docos done in finl cut there were more then just a simple cut between scenes, such as "The Secret" (Nickcirc 06:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC))

External link

Anon editor 209.164.32.131 (talk · contribs) added the following external link, http://finalcutpro.digitalmedianet.com/. Other recently added links from this IP have been borderline spam, or at least a low quality links. Could someone more knowledgable about Final Cut Pro please investigate. BlankVerse ∅ 13:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Intel Macs???

Has FCP been re-written for the new Intel Macs? Will it run on them?...

Currently, no. It will not run on Intel Macs at all. The Universal Binary version is in development and should be released before the end of March. See [1]. --Baryonic Being 22:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

If I had a dollar for every time that question was asked on the Final Cut boards on the Apple Support site, I would have enough saved up to buy the Universal Binary when it gets released... --TangentIdea 23:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Final Cut Studio Universal is now available, and can be upgraded by users of FCP, or any of the other programs included in FC Studio. One is required to mail in a form and their original DVD-ROM discs along with payment. See [2] David Fell

Adobe Stock Price & FCP

There's a line in this article that states that Adobe's stock price dropped on introduction of Final Cut Pro. In looking at historical financial data for the time I can't see this. I don't want to remove the passage immediately because I'm not overly familiar with the topic, but look at this information on the Yahoo Finance site linked to below and Adobe's stock really rose in the year 1999, not really seeing any major decrease due to FCP (or so it seems).

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=ADBE&a=01&b=10&c=1999&d=08&e=10&f=1999&g=w

I'm going to leave it to someone familiar with the topic to do the actual edit, otherwise it may just be edited out again for inconsistency...

P toolan 15:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

The article states that Adobe Premiere's market share plummeted after the intro of FCP, not Adobe's stock price. Which is reasonably accurate, but probably overstating the case -- there was fairly rapid market attrition over the following 1-2 years after FCP was introduced, not an instant sales freeze on Premiere.

squeegee 15:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

FCP History and Avid?

The history section has no mention whatsoever of the fiercest rival of FCP, which was Avid. The whole section concentrates on Adobe Premiere as the "other side", which is only half of the story. Unfortunately, I am not that proficient with the details as to expand the section on this story, but anyone who remembers the "50,000$ editing system. Now 98% off" slogan on Apple's website when FCP was launched knows what I mean. At the time, Avid was the dominant offline editing system on the market, and was sold exclusively as a complete Apple-Avid system on macs. Part of Apple's move with FCP was to retaliate on Avid's decision to open their system to the Windows platform - hence the contemptuous slogan (A high-end Avid system would cost something around the 50k$)

Guycarmeli 16:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

When FCP was first launched it's primary competition was Premiere, Avid systems at that point were still Turn-key. People who owned stand-alone Macs and wanted to edit video primarily used Premiere. It wasn't until 2002, as I recall, that Apple started to aggressively position themselves as competition for Avid. And probably not until 2003-2004 that they really started to have an impact. It wasn't until Avid Xpress DV (in 2002 I believe) that Avid even offered a software-only NLE product.

It was in early 2002 that Apple did it's first worldwide print and web campaign to push FCP as a viable professional alternative to Avid. Film director Roger Avary was the spokesperson for that campaign, which was primarily targeted toward industry trade publications, like Daily Variety. I would suggest that the impact was felt almost immediately, as Soderbergh was the next to use FCP, and after that Walter Murch. Pretty big heavy hitters. By early 2003 a number of Hollywood productions had the faith to adopt FCP 3.x and it was already eclipsing Avid in the commercial & music video production sphere. It's true Avid had (and still has) a heavy installed turn-key user base at post houses, but the low relative cost of a FCP system saw many FCP edit bays added alongside those Avid systems. I remember post houses renting those rooms for less, and them always being booked because of it. WikiTracker (talk) 19:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Avid NAB 2008

Mentioning that Avid announced it will have a small booth at NAB this year seems like an editorial comment, designed to give the impression that FCP is dominating the professional editing market and Avid is withering on the vine. FCP has made noteworthy gains, but it is still very much the exception rather than the rule. Suggest this sentence be removed. --75.178.92.119 (talk) 18:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistency

The features section of this article claims that an unlimited number of video tracks can be simultaneously composited, yet the article Comparison of video editing software pegs the maximum for Final Cut Studio at 99 video tracks. Does anyone know which is correct? — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 15:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The page seems to have been rewritten by users of other editing systems, and not by Final Cut Pro users.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.198.13.178 (talk • contribs)

So which is correct? — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 21:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You can have 99 tracks in a sequence, however with nesting (putting a sequence in a sequence) you can have unlimited basically (basically 99 tracks with any of them being a sequence of 99 tracks with any of them being 99 tracks etc) 74.117.128.12 05:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Worth mentioning that this is entirely dependent on the processing capabilities of the machine one is using. I am currently sitting with a Xeon 64 bit processor running FCP which is starting to choke on six video tracks. I wouldn't mention it if it weren't so annoying. Go AVID!  :) 41.133.62.97 (talk) 14:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Should Apple be credited as the developer of this software (not only in the sidebar but in the opening narrative), when its history states that it was developed by Macromedia? (I was tempted to make this edit, but realize that different criteria might be used in each instance.) MIchael 02:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Time Remapping

Could someone please elaborate what time remapping exactly means and where you would use it (and preferably how it works). I think a new article would be the best here. THANKS -- Michael Janich 09:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Films Edited with FCP Section

This list is starting to get a bit too long, and will only get longer. I've been bold and cut out the films which are pretty minor or maybe aren't so fantastic: Reno 911, Balls of Fury, The Comebacks, We are the Strange, Night of the Living Dead 3D and Hoot. And I think it could be cut down further.

I've also changed the title of this section to 'Selected Films Edited on FCP'. Given that more and more major films are being edited on FCP, perhaps films should only appear on this list when they're major or otherwise notable releases. JMalky (talk) 09:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it might be better to list some editors known to use this program as well. I noticed several of the films there are from the Coen brothers, which leads me to think that someone in their productions swears by Final Cut Pro.—Iggy Koopa (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Do you think it is a good thing to only have "fantastic" releases on the list? I mean, I agree with the idea that "Balls of Fury" and "Reno 911" aren't exactly what I would consider a good movie, but I know many people who really enjoyed "Balls of Fury," etc. We should be careful about that. Obviously, the list is very long, but perhaps we should make a separate page for the list of movies edited in Final Cut Pro that way we can facilitate all movies and not get caught up into a battle over which films deserve to be on the list. Let me know what you think! --Fatedbreath (talk) 16:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Screen-shot

Hey everyone, I just have some questions regarding the screen shot of Final Cut Pro. Right now, it's in the "interface" section. That makes a lot of sense, of course, but I think we need to have a screen-shot at the top of the page, in the info box on the right. Many other articles for software do the same thing. I don't know if we should have the image in both places, or if we should remove the one in the interface section. Also, regarding the image itself, it's a jpeg, and I think we can do better than jpeg! I have final cut on my computer, so I could take a screen shot and upload it as a PNG, but I wanted to know what all of you thought first. Thanks!! P.S. this could also apply to other screen-shots in the article. --Robo56 (talk) 21:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Call for update of page - moved to talk page

This line was added by an IP - I have moved it to this talk page "Information Out of date, New Final Cut Studio has been released, final cut pro 7 is the newest version, pages needs update." Tschild (talk) 14:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Tagging

This article has collected yet another of those bothersome tags, which I equate to vandalism. Look, you are free to edit this article and put your version of the truth up before the reading and watching public. I don't see the problem. It requires clean up? It reads like an advertisement? It reads like a manual? It needs additional sources of verification? But nobody comments here. What for example? It tells what the software does. What crosses the line in your opinion? I'm tempted to clean out all those unnecessary and distracting tags, but I'll leave this comment here for a while to see what these questions generates.

What I do see is a lot of influence about a single competitor--Avid. There are other competitors, why does Avid merit mention in the second paragraph while others don't. Why is the competitor at the top of the article? Why not put that, and the other competitors as a preface to the list of other Comparison of Video Editing Software?Trackinfo (talk) 23:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I removed the advert tag. Whoever posted it did not say what is ad-like, and I don't see anything ad-like at all in there. The closest I could find is this bit from History: "Final Cut Pro benefited tremendously from the relative maturity and stability of QuickTime...". Look, it says QuickTime is relatively mature and stable. But that section wasn't very cleanly written so I just rewrote it to clean it up. Richcon (talk) 06:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Market share

Here's a survey of market share: http://ace-filmeditors.org/2009-ace-equipment-survey/ I'd like this kind of information added. Maybe you know a better source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.209.121.131 (talk) 11:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)