Talk:Lakandula

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Please be reminded that this page, as with other Talk pages, is for comments and suggestions aimed at improving this Wikipedia article. It is NOT a discussion of the topic itself. Please limit your edits to any comments or suggestions that will help make this article better, and refrain from discussing about the topic itself (such as whether you think you're descended from Rajah Lakandula, or if PGMA is or isn't). Thanks for your cooperation. --- Tito Pao (talk) 00:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Rajah versus Lakandula

Lakandula, like the word rajah, is a TITLE of nobility. It is not a personal name. Various scholars on Philippine history keep pointing this out. Lakandula is the hereditary title of the rulers of Tondo who, unlike the rulers of Manila, were not Muslims. Tondo was politically distinct and autonomous from Manila in the 16th century. Unlike the rulers of Manila who were heavily influenced by Brunei, the rulers of Tondo retained their indigenous titles and did not call themselves "rajahs". The two words, "rajah" and "lakandula" simply negate each other. Please check your sources. Thank you. Ushiwaka (talk) 16:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Rajah and Lakan are both titles. So, Rajah Lakan Dula is an oxymoron. It is just like Don Mister Lopez or Miss Binibining Gloria. Either you call it Rajah Dula or Lakan Dula or Gat Dula but never Rajah Lakan Dula. Please show some respect to the Filipino pre-hispanic history.202.86.204.114 (talk) 06:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Edited to Lakan Dula, your welcome ;) people please show respect to our pre-hispanic heritage... But hmm, I cannot edit the name of this article :( someone please correct this error!!!

Merge to Lakandula

An article on Lakandula already exists. Any pertinent info in this article should be integrated into that article. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 09:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Lakandula article describes the title of the Tondo Rulers. Rajah Lakan Dula is a person anyway. I will remove the template. --The Wandering Traveler^{WIKIPROJECT UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!} 05:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Strongly support. As per Nick Joaquin's Manila,My Manila, the rulers of Tondo specifically did not use the term "Rajah" (as opposed to the rulers of Maynila, who did). Also, the term Rajah Lakandula was not used, as far as I've seen, in the original 16th century sources as quoted by Scott and Dery. Whereas there is an argument (IMHO a weak one) for separating the articles for Lakandula an Banaw Lakandula, Rajah Lakan Dula simply should not exist. I am going to wp:be bold now and do what I can to merge the two. - Alternativity (talk) 13:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

We think its high time that we respect Philippine history starting on this page: 1. All citations of Lakandula should be change to Lakan Dula: Lakan is the title, Dula is the name. 2. If there is a need to write the complete name, it should be Lakan Banaw Dula not Banaw Lakandula: Title: Lakan, First name: Banaw, Surname: Dula. 3. If this is an article about Lakan Dula, then, let us write everything about him, not everything about the efforts of the PGMA family to link with him.There is a big difference between the two. 4. Any pronouncements and claims should be supported by citations , like in APA Manual, with page number or website address.There are a lot of claims here that borders on tall tales, without any citations for sources at all. 5. If this article can not comply with this simle academic rules, may we recommend a deletion of this article because this is so corrupted already.This creates a bad name for Wikipedia and the Tambayan.

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Lakan Dula of Tondo versus Lacandola of Lubao: Who is Real,Who is Reel?

Based on "Lacandola of Lubao" unique article, it is strongly possible that Lakan Dula of Tondo and Lacandola of Lubao are totally different persons. First proof: Philippine history would say that Lakan Dula of Tondo is a Muslim, while the "Lacandola of Lubao" unique article said that this guy Lacandola is a pagan, big difference. Second proof: Lakan Dula of Tondo is a fighter to the end, he is even referred to as Gat Dula, etc. This Lacandola of Lubao is a Spanish collaborator, according to its own article, and to be branded as a traitor is something that the legitimate descendants of Lakan Dula of Tondo will not accept without a fight, so, they will not identify with that dude Lacandola, whoever he is.Third proof: take note of the differences in the spelling: Lakan Dula is with "k" and "u".Lacandola is with "c" and "o". Fourth proof: the Spanish alphabet doesnt have letter "K" but alibata has, so, Lakan Dula is native.On the other hand, Lacandola uses "c" which is hispanic, so, they could be referring on two totally different persons in a very different time span. Fifth proof, Lakan Dula is consistent with the pre hispanic history of name system: official title (Lakan) and single name (Dula), and they are separated,like Datu Sumakwel is not spelled as Datusumakwel. We dont have surnames during the pre-hispanic era. The Lacandola guy is saying that that Lacandola is already its full name, without any title. All in all, we suggest that let the historical Lakan Dula of Tondo flourish and let that certain Lacandola dude of Lubao exists too, for whatever purpose it may serve.If its a fiction, then, let it be.But let us be clear that they are totally differrent and there is no point of linking them.However,if the article would say that Lacandola is only an adopted name because the person is a descendant of Lakan Dula of Tondo, and they are afraid of hispanic prosecution, as lots of Filipions were, according to our history that is why they hid his identity, then, thats sound more logical and historical too. But the article is not saying so. So, it is really probable that this is a case of wrong attributions to two totally different subjects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.53.100.187 (talk) 02:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

"Lacandola of Lubao"? Is there such an article in the English WP? -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 10:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there is. The "Lakandula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", which according to the neighborhood here in Lubao was based on the tall tales written by the grandfather of Gloria Arroyo. Tina Pineda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.86.204.116 (talk) 07:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Juan Macapagal and Carlos Lacandola

Something is wrong here....Juan Macapagal is claiming his connection with Lakan Dula of Tondo thru Carlos Lacandola. But as the article admitted, Carlos Lacandola is written by Juan Macapagal. Wow, here is a case where the proof of the authenciticy was written by the one whose authenciticy is being questioned....this is a hoax.Please read the article again! Can somebody do something about this. Darius David, Guagua. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.86.204.133 (talk) 07:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I saw this in the main page but when I clicked it, its dead: |url=http://www.oocities.com/sinupan/magatsalamat.htm |title=Magat Salamat |author=Tomas L. |accessdate=2008-07-14}}</ref>. Is this PART OF THE HOAX? Rita Ronquillo, Lubao , Pampanga —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.238.94 (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Someone seems to be tampering with the entries here. The quote from Luciano P.R. Santiago's monograph reads "Don Carlos Lacandola, his great-grandfather, was Lord and principal of the town of Tondo" but in this article it has been changed to "Don Carlos Candola, his great-grandfather, was Lord and principal of the town of Lubao".Siuala (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

How the Macapagals Are Linked to Lakan Dula

This article is the attempt of the Macapagal to invent their link with Lakan Dula. This is not an article about Lakan Dula per se. We need an article that is purely about Lakan Dula. There used to be two articles in Wikipedia about Lakan Dula: this one, Rajah Lakan Dula and the other one is Lakandula. The Lakandula article is about the attempt of the Macapagal to link with Lakan Dula while this article used to be an article about Lakan Dula. The Lakandula article was rating very low in the Google until somebody from the Macapagal family merged their Lakandula article with this article and then slowly chaging the article into the original rejected Lakandula article which is about their family, and not being rated well by Google. They removed entries about the true Lakan Dula descendants like the Gatbontons, forcing the Gatbonton family to go around different internet forum telling the truth that the Macapagal - Lakan Dula link tall tales are just their invention and they have proofs. What happened really is that the over eagerness of the Macapagal hackers to invent the link of Macapagals to Lakan Dula and disregarding the true descendants like the Gatbontons,are going back to them like a dreaded garbage. Its a form of justice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.57.46.195 (talk) 00:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)