Talk:List of Japanese inventions and discoveries

Lack of content

Is this some form of belittling jokes, making a page and fill it with just one entry? In my opion, this page should be removed. However, considering other nations also have their respective invention list, it'd be fine if people wish to improve this.

I also dont see the merit of these list pages (this is the first I've noticed), the items should have their own articles, or, if of too little importance, can be bundled in others, such as the article of the nation. But that's out of the point.88.159.68.3 (talk) 19:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Blu-ray is not a Japanese "invention". Its "inventor" is a number of companies, some American and some Japanese. A Japanese did contribute to the refinement of the blue lazer diode used in the Blu-ray, but blue LEDs were also an existing invention. "The World's First Android" also needs a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.240.5 (talk) 11:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Yoshiro Nakamatsu

I think he is responsible for a few notable inventions. And he could possibly be Japanese as well. --XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Redundancy and Notability

While I appreciate the work being done here, there's just too much redundancy and notability issues here. For example:

• Aberic Acid, Vitamin B, Thiamine, and Vitamin should probably be under one heading, along with cup and instant noodles, to name a few.
• I don't think it's necessary to list every genre of games/tv/media here either, maybe just the few major ones.
• Some interpretations of what exactly is a psychological or historical "novel" (attributed to the Tale of Genji) here may be overly superfluous.
• I am not certain culture-specific items such as "Samurai Cinema" or "Okinawan Martial Arts" can truly be considered "inventions".
• Most of these invention/discovery listings add cruft and take a certain degree of ethnocentrism, but I think it should still be kept to a minimum.
• Also, perhaps the a List of Japanese discoveries is needed to distinguish from inventions.

I have no problems with the science and technology sections, however. Just something to think about. ~ AMorozov ^〈talk〉 18:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I feel that some of the things in the Art section are unneccessary. Partly because I don't think some can technically be called "Inventions" as such and partly because some are somewhat insignificant, especcially outside Japan, e.g. the Yakuza Film (similar films exist in other countries, and are often called Gangster films or Crime films) --123.50.152.13 (talk) 10:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Invention vs discovery

This article is currently awful and no distinction is made between what is an invention and a discovery (and lets avoid the intellectual buffoonery of trying to precisely define those terms and take the "I know them when I see them" approach, aka common sense). Probably a quarter of the things listed clearly do not belong on this list, especially in the science section. Jason Quinn (talk) 17:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

How does something qualify as a Japanese invention?

User:Phoenix7777 is asserting that 唐手:からて (Tang Dynasty hand) , later 空手:からて (empty hand), is a Japanese invention. Does anyone see a problem with this? jmcw (talk) 21:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Karate, as such was first created in Okinawa, based on earlier techniques imported from China and possibly India. Does this answer your question--123.50.152.13 (talk) 10:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

First, I have not realized the existence of this article, before you edited this article yesterday. I personally don't like this kind of article, however there is a similar article of United States called Timeline of United States inventions. I somewhat understand your assertion (My guess. You asserted only "Japanese nationalism") that Karate was not invented in Japan, instead it was developed in Japan. However it is much inappropriate to say "Karate was invented in China". Dictionaries say Karate is a "Japanese art". See American Heritage, Merriam-Webster Dictionary. I don't simply deny "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was invented in Brazil", although it was developed from jujutsu. Moreover Timeline of United States inventions lists American football is an invention of United States, although it was developed from Rugby and Football of United Kingdom. -- Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Spiral escalator

What about the spiral escalator? --84.62.215.188 (talk) 09:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

See Escalator#Spiral escalators: from Reno to Mitsubishi ;) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Stub and rework

For background information, please see RFC/U and Cleanup. With 122 edits, User:Jagged 85 is the main contributor to this article (2nd: 25). The article has been tagged for 1.5 years with additional inline tags for half the entries. The issues are a repeat of what had been exemplarily shown here, here, here or here. I removed Jagged 85's entries (here and here) one by one until I discovered the list contains only a single entry! In other words: Every single entry save "Jujutsu" was added by Jagged 85 in two sweeps. For this reason, I stub the article completely.

Possible unjaggedized entry:

Jujutsu

Jujutsu, the "way of yielding", is a collective name for Japanese martial art styles including unarmed and armed techniques. Jujutsu evolved among the samurai of feudal Japan as a method for defeating an armed and armored opponent without weapons. Due to the ineffectiveness of striking against an armored opponent, the most efficient methods for neutralizing an enemy took the form of pins, joint locks, and throws. These techniques were developed around the principle of using an attacker's energy against him, rather than directly opposing it. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

PS: It should be emphasized that many removed entries struck me too as Japanese inventions (Videocassette recorder, Karaoke, Judo, Aikido, Quartz wristwatch etc. etc.), but in view of the general unreliability of Jagged 85 it has been agreed that it is better to start all over again in articles heavily edited by him. Editors are welcomed to restore those entries which they know are indeed supported by the references cited. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:23, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Some of these "inventions" are completely absurd. "Postmodern videogame"? I'm not sure even Hideo Kojima was aware that his creation is postmodern. The Japanese have genuinely contributed many inventions, but a lot of these entries need to be weeded out.--Ninthabout (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Article of Nonsense

Why is this an article of useless redirects? What can I possibly learn about Japanese inventions from a redirect to Japanese literature? The List of Chinese inventions is super helpful and informative (even too much info for one article). This article basically reads: "Japanese have invented nothing, but here are some Japan-related topics you may find interesting". Such hogwash.