Talk:Nintendo 3DS/Archive 5

It should be called Nintendo DS, not DS

Often in this article, its called DS. But why! It isn't officially shortened. I demand all if it gets changed to Nintendo DS. PS. SONY IS STUPID!!! 173.86.62.176 (talk) 15:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Ethan.

There's no crime in shortening the name. I'm pretty sure "3DS" appears many times in the article without the "Nintendo" before it. I think even Nintendo themselves shorten the name sometimes. Besides, having to say the full name of anything can get annoying sometimes. So it gets shortened. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:52, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Why? Because people won't know what "DS" means? As long as "Nintendo DS" was written out in article early on (it is), then there's no need to write it out every single time, much like how people don't always write out Sega Dreamcast or Nintendo Gamecube. There's no alternative for anyone to get it confused with. Sergecross73 msg me 17:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

US sales numbers

Something is wrong with these sale numbers, it says 400,000 were sold during March and 440,000 were sold in its opening week. The 3DS was released the last week of the month so the month and first week sales should be the same. --Shadow (talk) 04:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but my thought was that the week spanned 2 months, and thus, 400k were during the "March" part of the week, where as the other 40k were during that week, but outside of the month of March. Does that make sense? That's how I've understood it anyways, that could be wrong too... Sergecross73 msg me 12:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

No I'm kind of confused on what your trying to say. --Shadow (talk) 03:48, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Serge is saying that the 400k were from March 27-31, and the 40k were from April 1-2. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 04:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah gotcha. Ok that makes sense. Wasn't thinking about the two days in April. --Shadow (talk) 19:42, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 161.148.171.8, 5 May 2011

There is an incorrect information on the page. It states that for the user to scale the DS games to DS resolution, the user must hold START and SELECT upon starting the game. Actually, the user must hold either START or SELECT. 161.148.171.8 (talk) 19:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: According to Nintendo's own site, the information you wish to change in the article is correct. - Happysailor ^(Talk) 08:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but you aren't right, but if you where right, you should include a source, or else you have no chance of getting changed. TheBradford msg Bradford 18:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Not really reception?

When the device is operating in 3D mode, the front display serves as the parallax barrier, consisting of a series of opaque vertical stripes which block half of the light coming from the screen to each eye, so to compensate, the device's backlight has to be twice as bright and consequently the battery drains twice as quickly.

Now, while true and sourced, I kind of feel like this should be removed from the reception. Reception usually exerts some sort of judgement or opinion of the writer, while this is merely the stating of facts. It'd be good in a hypothetical section about the battery or something though. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 13:57, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I think Gsarwa was trying to elaborate on the negative reception of the battery. I'm not so sure about a whole battery section... TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't especially think we need a battery section either, it was just an example of an area it would be appropriate in. I'm saying, it's not reception if no positive or negative commentary is made. It's not saying the battery was "disappointing" or "poorly made" or "a value at the price". It's just giving straight characteristics, and that's not really "reception". That being said, I'm sure there's a million different sources that go into detail about their disappointment with the battery, it's a common sentiment. But I'm not sure about this one. (Though that's based only on the part included on the article. Sergecross73 msg me 17:00, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I decided to remove it. If anyone has any problems, we can discuss this. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:34, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Nintendo Wi-Fi

Is it listed in the article that Nintendo dropped Nintendo Wi-Fi and they started using bg Wi-Fi??? I don't have a source because I only saw it on the back of the box. But if anyone has a source for it, it should be added. TheBradford msg Bradford 16:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC) But I could be wrong, I just saw a bg Wi-Fi sign on the back of the box. And I don't see Nintendo Wi-Fi anymore. Does anyone have a source proving this? TheBradford msg Bradford 16:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say. Seems like it'd be something easier for you to look up a source on... Sergecross73 msg me 16:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm saying Nintendo got rid of Nitendo Wi-Fi, and replaced it with bg Wi-Fi which is made by a different company, I know its confusing. TheBradford msg Bradford 17:52, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, no, no, no. Nintendo Wi-Fi is still in use. What you call "bg Wi-Fi" is 802.11b/g. 802.11b/g is Wi-Fi, or rather, a type of Wi-Fi called IEEE 802.11g-2003. (802.11b/g redirects to that IEEE article.) The name "Wi-Fi" is just the marketing name, while IEEE 802.11g-2003 is the technical name for it. This is a simplified explanation, and I don't get the whole picture, either. But that's how it is. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:51, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Non-existent Nintendo 3DS Messaging Service

There is no 3DS Messaging service. There is just a small Friend list Application which you can use to upload small Status messages. You cannot Message individual friends. I tried to amend this problem on Wikipedia, but it was changed back. Can a member of the site please help. Thank you.

I was under the impression that this messaging service was the short status messages. Am I wrong? TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:15, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

There is no messaging service on the 3DS. I don't really have a source saying there isn't one, but I own one and I'm positive there is no messaging service. TheBradford msg Bradford 17:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I just removed it. I hope it stays that way. I hate it when a source is used against an article. TheBradford msg Bradford 17:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't have a 3DS, so I'll take your word for it. No messaging service it is. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 18:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

This info on the friends list should be mentioned, though. Perhaps a Friend List section? TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:21, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there should be one about that. Because the 3DS has a lot to do with the friend list. TheBradford msg Bradford 18:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Stickman, as far as I know, you were correct, the 3DS Messaging is the "short status message". (I say, "as far as I know", because I haven't messed with it much yet, as I've yet to come across anyone else who has a 3DS.) So, it really wasn't that the "source was wrong" - the info itself was correct - it's more that it was kind of labeled weird in the article... Sergecross73 msg me 14:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, nowhere does any reliable site formally refer to it as the "3DS Messaging Service". I'm liking the sound of a Friend List section. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 22:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd support that. It'll probably be a short section, but it'd be expandable if/when more features are added, especially with updates with internet browsers and more internet-friendly games are released. Sergecross73 msg me 01:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

So it that what we are going to do? I think that is are best option. TheBradford msg Bradford 14:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The Sun vs 3DS

The Sun wrote a (pretty dumb) article about health and safety for the 3DS : http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3511602/Sun-tests-sickly-Nintendo-3DS.html Should it be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.195.90 (talk) 19:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not really familiar with "The Sun", but with genious headlines like "Nintendo 3DS is game for a barf", accompanied with a crazed looking man with his eyes crossed, doesn't strike me as very high quality reporting... Sergecross73 msg me 02:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

One question would be has anyone else covered it? The article in question was written in early April so if this has not gained any additional coverage since then it would seem that coverage of this article is not neccessary.--76.66.185.169 (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe it may have gotten other coverage, but I'm I still don't think it's really notable in the whole scheme of the 3DS's existence. But that's just me. I suppose there's room for disagreement if someone feels strongly about it, and puts it in the article in a way that makes sense...Sergecross73 msg me 02:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The Sun is a tabloid, so anything like this should be taken with a pinch of salt, a lot of their "reporting" is sensationalist garbage. I think most people buy it for their Page Three girls and the colouring in anyway. While I guess it can be for specific news information and facts (at least according to a casual look at [1]), this seems little more than an opinion piece. And as mentioned, there is probably already coverage in more reliable press. Rehevkor ✉ 10:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Generation of handheld?

this article had been here for a few months. why hasnt anyone put which generation it is? Ecreme (talk) 23:15, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Because there's been a lot of controversy. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 23:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that link, I was wondering where that discussion was, so I could use it for people who ask about it as well. I bet the "generations" discussion will heat up again with E3 coming soon, with announcements for NGP, and Project Cafe, more popularity of the 3ds, etc... Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

The latest commercial of Nintendo in United Kingdom says "the next generation is here": Youtube video. So it's an eighth generation console, Nintendo has spoken. --82.58.215.57 (talk) 09:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

That argument has been shot down so many times. See this for more info. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 12:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

TOS

According to http://www.defectivebydesign.org/nintendo a website by the FSF, the 3DS has a very restrictive and intrusive TOS (term of service). Shouldn't we add that ? --Jertonit (talk) 12:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Don't a lot of electronic devices have really strict TOS if peple actually bother to read them? Sergecross73 msg me 13:07, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but I think it's the first time that a company like Nintendo take right over a picture you made. Even through you are under 13 years old. Anyway, maybe we should add a critiscm section with that and the health problem ? The FSF is not a small group anyway, so their opinion still worth something. --Jertonit (talk) 13:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I think "Criticism" sections are somewhat frowned upon due to WP:POV/bias issues, but there is already a "health concerns" section, and I suppose the FSF section could be briefly added to the end of the Reception section...

Any other sources of this? We don't want to violate WP:UNDUE. Is this even a reliable source? Rehevkor ✉ 14:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's a FSF website, so it's not like they are completly unkown. Also I found some source who talk about that like : http://www.geek.com/articles/games/anti-drm-group-wants-to-send-nintendo-bricks-to-protest-3ds-terms-of-service-20110518/ and http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227957/nintendo_3ds_targeted_in_antidrm_campaign.html --Jertonit (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Two 3D Cameras?

The camera section of the technical comparison states that the 3DS has two 3D cameras on the back, and although it is true it has two cameras on the back, it only has one "3D" camera, 3D simply being two 2D cameras properly placed horizontally.

For it to have two 3D cameras on the back it would need 3-4 cameras near each other. Michael Reineke (talk) 16:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

... I suppose that the wording is confusing. It's not really one camera, but also not really two. I'll change the wording to reflect that. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 20:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

actually it is three cameras..two on the front and one on the inside. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.218.125.53 (talk) 00:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

And I have already changed the wording to just "two rear-facing cameras". Yes, there are two cameras, but they act as one. It could go either way, so for the sake of simplicity, I removed "2D" and "3D" from the description. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 01:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

You only need to hold down Start OR Select to play games in the native resolution.

You do not need to hold down both. The article is incorrect as written. The following sentence needs to be modified:

"However, if the user holds down the START and SELECT buttons upon launching the DS software, the displays will be at the DS's native resolution, albeit smaller with black borders."--128.227.13.35 (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Source?Jasper Deng (talk) 21:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Personal experience. I'm unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies, would a video demonstrating the fact be enough to change the article? It's a gigantic misconception and I encourage anyone with a 3DS to try it.--128.227.13.35 (talk) 00:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

If it's some personal video you uploaded on youtube, then no, that wouldn't work. I suppose if there's some IGN video or something that'd work. Ultimately a video's not that important, all you need is a link to an article that says what you're saying, and have it be a reliable source. Gamespot, IGN, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 00:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I just found out Wikipedia is looking for "verifiability, not truth". A damn shame since many official sources got this wrong and it's easily experimentally proven. Please disregard this edit request.--128.227.124.143 (talk) 05:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Isn't that a little melodramatic? I mean, the the trick works with either button combination, right? >_> Sergecross73 msg me 17:07, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

While I am not sure if this is the best source, an IGN review of the Virtual Console version of the Link's Awakening mentions using either the start or select to have the game in its native resolution. It is six paragraphs down [[2]].--76.69.169.220 (talk) 01:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

It's reliable, but this only shows it being applied to a GameBoy game, not necessarily a DS game. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 03:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

How about just saying "non-3DS games" can be run at the native resolution by pressing start or select? This would satisfy both the anal-retentive verification policy while also being true in reality. 76.10.165.130 (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, a source was found already. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 22:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Request: Internet Browser

There is no info about the browser, and it has been released. Quadrplax (talk) 01:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I personally haven't heard much about it. Is there much to be said? Sergecross73 msg me 01:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Basically, it is more compatible with web standards but still not on the level of common smartphones.

- From http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/built-in-software/#/8 you can cite a few things: a) Browses the internet via wifi b) can be run with a game paused in the background c) upload 3D images to sites designed to support such.

- From http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/nintendo-3ds-eshop-and-web-browser-go-live-50004025/ you can cite: a) doesn't support Flash b) can upload and download 3D images from supported sites c) can be accessed during gameplay.

- From http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/06/guides_3ds_eshop_update_faq?page=4 you can cite: It's faster and more powerful [ie, better compatibility]

- From http://www.gamesradar.com/3ds/nintendo-3ds/news/nintendo-chooses-netfront-for-its-3ds-internet-browser/a-20110228124610593047/g-20100616102754448006 you can cite: a) It is Netfront-based instead of Opera, which Nintendo has previously chosen for both the Wii and DS/DSi web browsers b) it is "more flexible" [ie, better compatibility] thanks to the improved hardware. 76.10.165.130 (talk) 21:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 117.197.248.211, 1 July 2011

I would like to add the current and discontinued tab to the comparison

117.197.248.211 (talk) 11:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

State what you would like to change here, please. —GFOLEY FOUR— 23:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

low popularity in norway

the dsi is the most popular handheld console in norway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.86.142 (talk) 12:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Sources for that? Not being the most popular doesn't necessarily make something have "low popularity." Rehevkor ✉ 12:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

check spaceworld.no. it is one of the major norwegian multimedia shops. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.86.142 (talk) 20:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Since I don't think many of us understands Norwegian, why not show us the link? Besides, I kind of doubt the notability of this fact. If it really should be mentioned, I think it would be better over in the DSi article. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 21:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

For being the one who wants this in the article, you sure aren't explaining yourself very much... Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:NOPRICE

I've noticed users removing the amount of the prices drop citing WP:NOPRICE as their rationale. To my understanding, that policy is more relevant to articles like List of Nintendo 3DS games, where people try to price out every single game. It's to keep wikipedia from being like a catalog or directory. (Hence, why the "NOPRICE" link actually links to the "Wikipedia is not a directory" section of policy.)

Furthermore, look at point #5. In general, if mainstream media sources (not just product reviews) provide commentary on the price of an object instead of just passing mention, this is an indication that its price may have encyclopedic significance.. A quick google search would show you that there are likely hundreds of websites chiming in on their commentary as far as what the price cut means.

Therefore, I feel that the actual amount of it's price, and the amount of the cut (shown in dollars or % cut) is important to note in the article. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 18:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, another concern of mine is that it would be biased towards American readers, since the U.S. isn't the only country that mainly speaks English. Like, why not add British pounds? That was just my thoughts. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 18:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The one I did about US dollars was merely because it was the only one I knew by memory, and I was correcting someone else's edit which had all this speculation on how it was due to bad launch titles or something. I'm not opposed to any other currencies. Perhaps we could announce the % cut in general in the lead (seems like places are saying it's between 30-40% cut) and then put some of the other main currencies down in the release or a post release section.

A price reduction like this, so large and so soon after launch, really is unprecedented in the video game industry... Sergecross73 msg me 18:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:NOPRICE shouldn't apply here per "be sourced and there is a justified reason for their mention," the price is important to understanding the price drop issue, and the price drop has received significant coverage, so both points are addressed. As for the currency it's listed in, that's another issue I suppose.. Rehevkor ✉ 19:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, alright then. I guess prices/percentages can be put back in. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 16:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Price Drop/Ambassador program

I think the pricedrop needs a little more note then the one sentence mention in the opening paragraph. I also don't see any mention of the ambassador program. Were I more of a word smith, I would add them, but they do warrant a bit more coverage in the article methinks. 160.107.87.10 (talk) 13:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. As you can see in the section above, we've been discussing how to go about some aspects of this. It just seems no one's gotten around to it yet. Sergecross73 msg me 14:56, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Web browser

Hi. The one sentence mentioning the web browser is a good addition. Any expanding that could be done? (e.g. Are there things that set it apart from the dsi browser?) I'll gladly contribute if anyone knows of some good sources that can be relied upon to help expand the section. Thanks. 67.182.237.57 (talk) 18:52, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry; I guess I didn't read the earlier discussion. I'll look at that. 67.182.237.57 (talk) 18:55, 5 August 2011 (UTC)