User talk:Nathan2055

Adoption

— Waterfox ^~talk~ 22:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Certainly. I accept this offer! --Nathan2055^talk 23:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Great! One important page to read through is Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset. I'll also help you to identify the area you want to get yourself the most involved in. Here are a few:

• Vandal fighting
  • Recent changes patrol
  • New pages patrol
  • Usernames for attention
• Article work
  • Creating new articles and adding content
  • Improving articles by cleaning them up, fixing typos, etc.
  • Creating articles which were submitted by IP addresses
  • Deletion discussions
• Image maintenance

What are you most interested in? I suggest starting with some vandal fighting. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 23:53, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good! Should I start with a program like STiki? --Nathan2055^talk 00:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps it's just me, but my experiences with STiki have been rather bad. The tools which you'll find most useful, in my opinion, are Twinkle, for automating simple tasks, and Igloo and Huggle for recent changes patrolling. The latter two require the rollbacker user group, which I'll help you work on getting. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 01:50, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright, how should I go about getting rollback? --Nathan2055^talk 14:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The standard is to have performed about 50 reverts using the undo feature or Twinkle before applying. How many do you think you've done? Also, make sure you're able to differentiate between vandalism and AGF edits / editing tests. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 17:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what they said when I first applied. I'm RCing with Twinkle right now, I almost caught some vandalism, but ClueBot reverted it before Twinkle could run. Sigh. I've CSDed some new pages, but haven't seen any vandalism. So far my count is zero. Are there any other ways I might spot some vandalism? --Nathan2055^talk 17:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Sincerely, I've had rollback for so long that I don't recall. But, you can go to Special:RecentChanges and hopefully spot some vandalism to revert. Look for large deletions or additions by IPs. Maybe Lupin's anti-vandal tool will be helpful. Other than that, watch Special:NewPages. New page patrolling isn't just about vandalism - you can make the occasional typo fix. When appropriate, tag as CSD. If there are some things to fix, you can use Twinkle's Tag feature to identify the issues. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 18:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

A few other things: even when I'm using Twinkle or Huggle, often enough ClueBot gets to reversion before I do, it's just the way it is. When you can, you should come on IRC so we can chat. You'll find me with the nick "kudu" there. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 18:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I think I saw you on the help channel earlier. One other thing, I noticed STiki's page says it lets you go through ClueBot NG's flagged (but not auto-reverted) edits. Can Huggle and/or Igloo do that? If so, I'll use them once I revert enough vandalism. --Nathan2055^talk 19:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I just saw you updated the vandalism level to two. Repeating characters? I reverted a good amount of vandalism but I didn't see any of that. I did report a spam account that was blocked a few minutes ago. This is fun, and easier than I thought, just using Twinkle! --Nathan2055^talk 20:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, apparently you left IRC at 17:10:07! It'd be cool if you came by while I'm there. Yeah, it was mostly a single user who I think was a spambot. I rarely see people say that reverting vandalism is fun, but I guess that's not my call! — Waterfox ^~talk~ 20:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

How many reverts do you think I've done? --Nathan2055^talk 16:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

According to my calculations, about 33. But hey, I do that in 5 minutes. ;) — Waterfox ^~talk~ 17:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

33 already?! I'll have rollback in no time! --Nathan2055^talk 17:47, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Think quality, not quantity. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Demiurge, don't ask where he got it from. And Nathan, keep working! — Waterfox ^~talk~ 21:01, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! I'll keep working. --Nathan2055^talk 22:01, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Please read my permissions lesson and complete the assignment. Thanks! — Waterfox ^~talk~ 01:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

1. Additional abilities beyond those of a normal user.

2. All pages not protected in any way.

3. Any account with ten edits or more that has been live for at least four days.

4. IPs can only preform basic editing and use talk pages, registered accounts can use the other features.

5. Any account that is sysop or better.

6. Revert all consecutive edits made by a user to a page.

7. Reverting anything other than vandalism, with some exceptions.

8. Make more than six accounts a day from one IP.

9. Be exempt from a range block.

10. Create pages without needing patrolling.

11. Give out the other privileges, and use UnwatchedPages. They can also updated the MediaWiki interface. Finally, they can protect, unprotect, undelete, and block.

12. Using Requests for Adminship. You typically need 70% majority to pass.

13. Give out adminship.

14. Have full access to a users permissions.

15. IP address info.

16. The ability to totally delete a contribution.

17. Have a particular need for the tool.

That should complete your test. --Nathan2055^talk 00:42, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm continuing to revert vandalism, do you think I'm ready to request rollback? --Nathan2055^talk 16:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Just a few notes: a bureaucrat's duty is also to rename users. Please note that stewards can change any permission on any wiki, and also have implicit sysop rights everywhere. Finally, oversight doesn't delete data - it just hides the data to make it invisible to anyone but other oversighters. I am currently reviewing your reverts to see if you would be ready to request rollback. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 17:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

It seems that you have accumulated about 47 reverts. Just do a few more, and then hop right along to WP:PERM/R. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 17:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! --Nathan2055^talk 17:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, I didn't get it. They said 50 reverts was too few for a editor that has only been around for about a month. What should I do? --Nathan2055^talk 21:25, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Two things that caused your request to be turned down: 1) you made a premature first request only 4 days ago, and 2) your request was handled by a relatively strict admin, our beloved Salvio giuliano. There is not much you can do about that. But next time, you can consider asking an admin directly on their talk page, as that'll allow for more discussion. Here are a few you can consult: Fastily, HJ Mitchell or Courcelles.

In the meantime, you can try doing some new page patrolling while continuing to revert with Twinkle or godmode-light. You can also try some content work, such as AFC. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 20:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Some thoughts on that. First, it's not a good idea to react to being denied rollback at WP:PERM/R, by going and canvassing an individual administrator instead. In a sense, that is asking one administrator to overrule another - it's not appropriate. Instead, just take the advice that you were given; carry on reverting vandalism for two weeks from now, and then apply at WP:PERM/R again. If your adopter is checking your contributions to make sure you're doing it appropriately, then it shouldn't be a problem.

Second, new page patrol is not a good place to dive into, unless you are really sure that you thoroughly understand notability, verifiability, WP:BLP, the criteria for speedy deletion, and how new page patrolling works. The suggestion to work on developing content, is a much better idea. Pick a topic area that you're interested in, and work on improving some articles and adding sourced information. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll give AFC a try. One question, what's godmode-light? --Nathan2055^talk 02:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know - it's not a term I've ever heard before. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Godmode light. Also, asking a different administrator to grant one privileges that were previously declined by another administrator is known as admin shopping. --Σ ^talk_contribs 20:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the adminshopping link - I'd looked for it under WP:ADMINSHOPPING. Godmode light looks like the kind of thing that it would be unwise for a new editor to install.

A final thought is that it is a good idea to concentrate on adding referenced content to the encyclopedia (making sure to do so in one's own words), rather than concentrating on tools and buttons and scripts and rights. Twinkle is a vital tool, everything else is really a distraction. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I would say, use your judgement for requesting rollback, and if it gets denied, don't worry, but if you keep on requesting and requesting, you probably would not get the privilege, even if you have extremly over the requirements. Reach 5 months and do lots of reverts in the mean-time. ~~Ebe123~~ ^talk_Contribs 22:52, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Godmode-light looks to be just what it says. A light version of Twinkle with just rollback buttons. You might as well just use Twinkle. All I use are a few small gadgets that do things like add edit links for the lead section of a page or run citation bot in one click. My only scripts are a unread watchlist item marker, a page count gadget (useful for the GOCE's copyedit drives), and Lupin's anti-vandal tool (a gadget that adds a nice interface for recent changes patrolling). I have Igloo installed as well, but it doesn't work unless I have the rollback right. I've been going through AFC these days, I'm going to join the welcome committee. There's certainly lots to do! --Nathan2055^talk 21:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

The Old Christian Koran

What would be a constructive edit changing this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Book_of_Genesis&oldid=442530469 very strange thing that a Hebrew text is called by its christian counterpart? 79.254.156.189 (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I believed the edit to be vandalism so I reverted it. If it is true, try bringing it up at the talk page where more people might understand. --Nathan2055^talk 17:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Nathan, reverting the edit was the correct thing to do (a close inspection of the edit and edit summary reveals that they appear intended to make a WP:POINT), but it would have been better to supply a polite and meaningful edit summary of your own. Also, beware of "I believed the edit to be vandalism". The edit definitely needed reverting - whether it can be called vandalism or not, is quite another thing. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. They did appear to be making a point, I guess it's partly my fault. What should I do now? --Nathan2055^talk 17:41, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

You are all right. It was making a point and could be considered vandalism (the edit comment should make this clear, i think). "Hebrew Bible" is used by christian theologians and they have every right to do that. I was just angry to read this in the beginning of the genesis article because it makes this an article from the christian perspective from the very start. And i belive this shouldnt in a neutral encyclopedic. 79.254.156.189 (talk)

That should be brought up on the talk page, not by vandalizing the article. If there is a neutrality dispute, then the article should be wikified. --Nathan2055^talk 17:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow. The page is already marked so i can no longer edit it. After just one edit. I wanted to change "Hebrew Bible" to "Hebrew scripture", but cant now. 79.254.156.189 (talk) 18:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

"Marked"? It doesn't appear to be semi-protected. What do you mean? --Nathan2055^talk 19:17, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I confirm that this page is not protected. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 14:02, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Does he have a ban on this page? I'm not sure how to check that. --Nathan2055^talk 15:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to clarify topic bans aren't enforced by the software - quite simply, the banned user has to abide by the ruling, or he will be blocked. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 19:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, so how can he not edit it? There's no block and it's not protected, so his edit should be possible. --Nathan2055^talk 19:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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Articles for creation/Clogau Gold

Hello Nathan2055, thank you for recently reviewing my article, and I'm glad to hear that you like it. I have made the amends that you suggested and wondered if you would like to re-review the article? Thank you Welshgolder (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

The "Design" section in the article sounds like an advertisement. Is it possible to rewrite the section to sound more neutral? That's what the wikify tag meant, I couldn't find a better tag. I think if that can be updated, it can be moved to the mainspace. --Nathan2055^talk 19:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Some suitable tags are at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Style of writing - it's important to use a tag that is clear about what the problem is. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I've updated the tag to a better one. Also, Welshgolder, don't forget to place {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} at the top of your article to resubmit it. I'm watching it, so I'll see any updates. --Nathan2055^talk 20:37, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Nathan2055, thank you for your review. I have re-written the Design section for you to take a look at. Let me know if this is in a better tone to how it was previously. Thank you.Welshgolder (talk) 08:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Problems with status indictatior

As you can see above, my status indicator won't work. I keep clicking the link, but nothing will happen. Help! --Nathan2055^talk 03:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It appears that you may need to bypass your cache. See WP:BYPASS. If you use Google Chrome, you will probably have to empty your cache completely. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I bypassed my cache, the links still don't do anything (they take me to an edit page, but nothing gets edited). --Nathan2055^talk 18:29, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

What's your browser? ~~Ebe123~~ ^talk_Contribs 20:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Google Chrome 14.0.835.18 dev-m. --Nathan2055^talk 21:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Press Command (Control on Windows), shift and R and it will work, or else do a report to google (On a mac, go to "chrome://bugreport/#0".) ~~Ebe123~~ ^talk_Contribs 22:03, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It still won't work. Click one of the links above. It doesn't change the page. According to the link, it should blank the edit box, then add the status. --Nathan2055^talk 22:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that its the template. I think that you should replace "{{StatusTemplate}}" by "{{User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate}}". It should work then, for now, I will just blank your status page. ~~Ebe123~~ ^talk_Contribs 22:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Still not working. I'm going to try the Qui system, let's see if that works. --Nathan2055^talk 23:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Qui seems to work. I think there is some kind of problem with the link in the other version. --Nathan2055^talk 23:19, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

For some reason, the "automatic edit" links on my status template have never worked for anyone other than me. I can't figure out why, but I wouldn't recommend using it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done Well, I guess that solves it. --Nathan2055^talk 18:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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biography - benoît Delbecq

Hello Nathan2055,

I am surprised you've proposed the article "Benoit Delbecq" for deletion.

I am Benoît Delbecq, living in Clichy, France, and I wrote this article by myself a few weeks ago, changed a little thing this morning indeed.

You might not be interested by my musical works - no problem with this - nevertheless I've had so many people from the US, South Africa, UK and other parts of the world writing or saying to me "why can't we find a biography of yours on Wikipedia ?" (there is one on the french Wikipedia since years) therefore I thought I might do it myself - so there's no distortion of information.

Now, nothing has been copied from other web pages except... mine (http://www.delbecq.net/bd/bd2.html) ! And you may easily find dozens of biographical references about my works on the international press online - or paper press.

Sincerely,

Haskjazz66 (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC)Benoît Delbecq

First off, you writing this article is a conflict of interest. You can't edit Wikipedia for your own interests. Secondly, the article didn't use in-text citations using <ref> tags. You can read more about at WP:CITE. It also wasn't written in Wikipedia's formal tone. I'd have to delete it even if there wasn't a conflict of interest. Also, now that I know your living, the article must also be written according to WP:BLP. --~~~~

RE: Glen Martin Elementary School article submission.

Hi Nathan, just wanted to discuss my article submission with you a little bit. I am new to Wikipedia and this is my first article submission so any advise you can give me would probably help. I chose to submit this article on Glen Martin Elementary School as my first attempt at an article because it is a little known one room school house I attended for 4-5th grade. I was a unique experience. There is little information on the school that I could find online. I could actually see if Bear Valley Unified School District has any historical information about Glen Martin. Admittedly I know the article is not very notable but I couldn't think of what to contribute to Wikipedia that isn't already here. Perhaps maybe I could contribute something else, any suggestions? I know my article sucks lol but in my defense, I was hoping to mainly learn about the process. I wasn't sure if it worked like a forum or not where one begins a subject or thread and everyone then discusses are adds to it and then someone else revises the content?

So I don't waste anybody's time including my own, I need to know how in depth I need to get with an article submission for it to be considered in the future.

Thanks for your input,

Chris Lingford