Talk:Elizabeth Rauscher

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Providing context or going off-topic? And what are the topics she studies?

I wonder whether Dreadstar thinks that this revert is appropriate because the text removed provides context for Rauscher. Kaiser wrote a great book, but this is not an article about his book, it's an article about Rauscher. Including a lot of exposition about his book seems to me to be turning this article into an unrelated coatrack for Kaiser's thesis (which, I admit is an intriguing one, but one that is not necessarily relevant to this page).

Additionally, I don't see any evidence that the areas of study Rasucher is known for is quantum mechanics and consciousness. The sources we list instead say that she's known for being interested in the other areas listed. In fact, even if you think her "eight-dimensional space-time" is what she is known for, it's not really quantum mechanics but rather quantum gravity that is the umbrella topic. However, I don't see much indication that anyone acknowledges that this is what she's know for more than parapsychology.

Thoughts?

76.119.90.74 (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

• The mainstream physics world does not, in fact, recognize Rauscher for contributions to the quantum sciences, nor especially does it place her in league with the likes of Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, and Schrödinger, as the current version of the article subtly implies. I think the coatrack concern is a valid one. For example, Kaiser is either mentioned by name (e.g. "Kaiser writes") or cited 9 times in this article and the article's content is somewhat restricted to what Kaiser's book disusses w.r.t. Rauscher. There is still relatively little exposition of Rauscher's main works. For example, her experiments with Olga Worrall should probably be given a whole section, since there's lots of secondary sources. Likewise, detailed descriptions of her activities in remote viewing, energy control, and efforts to complete Einstein's Unified Theory should be added because those represent significant fractions of her overall career and there are lots of sources. I suspect there will be pushback, though. Thanks, Agricola44 (talk) 15:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC).

• Well, considering that Dreadstar asked me to get "consensus" for this first step, do you agree with reverting his revert? 76.119.90.74 (talk) 17:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

• Yes. I agree with going back to what you had ("reverting the revert"), especially because you have another source. Agricola44 (talk) 18:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC).

• We can discuss adding content from the sources used here, as well as the content and source that was removed by anon in that same edit. It's inappropriate to revert that version back into place without consensus. As for the additition of all these items in the infobox, without any corresponding sourced content in the article is purely WP:UNDUE, and I think that would be adequately covered there by the much simpler parapsychology research rather than trying to add every detail. Add detail to the body of the article. . Dreadstar ☥ 22:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

• Undue, absolutely. Let's keep the infobox trim and slim. Binksternet (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

• Format is not nearly so important as content, which was what I was trying to weigh-in on above. I think there's still quite a bit of sourced information that needs to be added and I would assume that most eds would agree that that info should predominantly go into the body, not the infobox. Thanks, Agricola44 (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC).

I think that it's good to have vagueness in the infobox. I'll try that out. 76.119.90.74 (talk) 19:51, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I tend to agree with this assessment and was quite surprised to see this edit summary. Accusations of bad faith, I thought, were frowned upon. Anyway, I think that the removal of these unsourced claims of what Rauscher is "known for" is a good step. Seeing no argument against this and assuming WP:SILENCE means WP:CON, I reverted Dreadstar. Let him post on this page if he has an argument. 128.59.169.46 (talk) 21:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)