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Green Museum Messages

Hello! Thanks for working with our class! Cdl32 (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem, I look forward to our many discussions! Worm^TT · (talk) 01:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

date fiddled to prevent archiving Worm^TT · (talk) 01:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello Dave, just testing. Thanks for helping the class. Mostly I believe they will add sections to TGM but I defer to you and we will adjust project goals as necessary. Greenmuseum (talk) 19:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discusions with Anna Simmons

Hello Mr. Worm That Turned!

My name is Anna Simmons, and I am very excited to work with you on the Green Museum Wikipedia project. For my wiki contribution, I would like to discuss what museums are doing with their outdoor spaces to be more green. Most museums have some sort of landscaping or outdoor space for their visitors. Many institutions are using this space as a place to teach about storm water runoff, water savings, re-use of materials, and the importance of native plants. I could discuss several specific case studies that are mentioned in the literature we have been reading for our class. I look forward to your hearing your thoughts. Amsimm (talk) 23:56, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Good morning Anna! That sounds like a very interesting piece of work, and I'm sure it could be made a good addition to the encyclopedia too. There's a few ways you could handle it, by writing to the general case, the general case for a country or about specific cases.

• If you were to write about the general case - possibly an article on say, Outdoor spaces at museums, you should have the largest amount of information available to pull together for an article. It would be worth remembering that the article would have to be written from an international point of view, which may be difficult.
• Perhaps this means writing about a more specific area - Outdoor spaces at USA museums - would be a better idea. It could give the article focus.
• More specifically would be to add a little information to lots of museum articles, a section on their outdoor space, culminating in a List of outdoor spaces at museums, which could have a few paragraphs at the top, and links to all the museums you've investigated. This would probably be the most precise method, but lists are often forgotten at wikipedia - they don't have the same prestige

Whichever route you choose, it will be important to remember that everything on wikipedia needs to be verifiable. This means that any new information cannot be put directly on to wikipedia - everything has to come from outside sources. Unfortunately, that can mean that comments like "Many institutions are using this space..." would need some sort of citation to back it up. What constitutes "many" for example?

I'll let you have a little think about what you'd like to achieve from wikipedia - do let me know if you have any more questions, would like some clarification or indeed would like to know how to get started! Worm^TT · (talk) 01:56, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Your words of advice are very helpful! Now that you know a little more about our specific assignment (i.e. each student is to contribute to the already existing Green Museum Wiki pages), do you think I should still choose one of your 3 approaches listed above? I like the larger scope of - Outdoor Spaces at Museums - you mentioned, but I realize that opens the doors to researching international museums as well as museums in the United States. I am interested in outdoor and landscaped spaces for a variety of reasons... 1)They contribute to healthy water systems 2)Beautify the museum footprint 3)Provide a space for outdoor/environmental education and 4)Inspire community involvement. Now... I realize this list may appear to be my personal opinion, and I would have to provide verifiable resources to back them. In my article contribution, I would like to discuss a new "green" landscape certification system created by the U.S. Botanic Garden, Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center and the University of Texas at Austin, called - Landscapes for Life -. The idea behind Landscapes for Life is similar to the USBC's LEED Certification system, but designed for Landscapes instead of building structures. What do you think about all of this? As soon as I hear from you, I'm ready to get started :) 75.103.224.2 (talk) 23:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's really up to you - if one solution appeals to you more, then that would be the best to go for. Remember, that there is no deadline, if you want to write the larger scoped article, you can always add international bits at a later date. It may be that someone marks the article as needing expansion in the international areas - but it's unlikely to be lost for being too centered on one area.

Or you could possibily write an article on Landscapes for Life, that's also a great topic, assuming that the certification system has sufficient reliable sources discussing it. I'd probably suggest starting something in a sandbox (say User:Amsimm/Outdoor spaces at museums or User:Amsimm/Landscapes for Life?) and get a feel for writing a wikipedia article. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with JcMusEd

Green Museum Topic Choices

Hi Dave, I am a student in the George Washington University's Green Museum class. I am hoping to add to the Green Museum wiki page with information on the Toledo Zoo's use of solar and wind power. Do you see any potential problems with this topic?

Thanks,

JcMusEd (talk) 03:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)JCMusEd

Hi JcMusEd. I've moved your question down here, so all the discussions for Green Museum are together. Sounds like an interesting topic and I can't see any major pitfalls with adding the information to Wikipedia. The only question is "where" the information should go. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that the use of solar and wind power by a single zoo will be sufficiently notable to create a new wikipedia article - but I would suggest expanding the section on Toledo Zoo#Conserveration Efforts or creating a new section in that page. Let me know if you've got any further questions. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Further to the comments below - I think discussing Toledo Zoo's specific use on the the green museum page may cause a bit of difficulty, it would be better if you could write on a more general topic. Perhaps museum renewable energy sources in general? Worm^TT · (talk) 10:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with Aebeisch

Green Museum Topic Choice

Hi Dave, I am also a student in GWU's Green Museum course. We are actually just adding to the Green Museum page not making an entirely new wiki page. I just thought I would clarify your conversation with JcMusEd. I wanted to add to the education section of the Green Museum page with Disney's Animal Kingdom Conservation Education best practices. Do you foresee any issue with that? If you do, I could also just do best practices in general regarding education- Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aebeisch (talk • contribs) 21:48, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much for clarifying that. The other courses I've worked on focussed on the students creating new articles, rather than updating existing ones. However, if the article is about green museums in general, you may find that adding specific information about Disney may be too specific. Unless you can show that it was particularly significant in the field of green museums. On the flip side, adding green museum information the Disney's Animal Kingdom page would make sense. It may be better to write about best practices in general. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with Dani2424

Hello Dave, I am also in GWU's Green Museum course. New to Wikipedia, I'm just testing out the talk page...making sure I know what to do before writing a long message about my contribution to the Green Museum page. I am planning to add a "green exhibits" section. Does that topic seem too broad? Thanks & have a great day! Dani2424 (talk) 10:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dani, and welcome to my talk page, make yourself at home :) Now that I have a better understanding of what you're trying to do, I think a green exhibits section sounds just about right for a green museum page. Don't forget you'd be writing about a general topic, and whilst you can mention specifics, you need to keep the section broad. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussions with Ezafiris

Hello Dave, I'm another student in the Green Museum class. My plan for the Green Museum page is to expand on the History section of the page by giving a time line of the Green Museum movement- which museums were the leaders in greening their institutions, who else is considered green, and listing some specific institutions that are innovators in the field. I would love to hear your thoughts! Ezafiris (talk) 23:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ezafiris, apologies in the delay in replying, I'm quite slow sometimes - sorry! I just want to say that expanding the History section of the Green Museum movement would be an exceptionally good idea and would add terrific encyclopedic value. If you can find reliable sources which state who is leading the field and so on, that sounds like a great way to expand the article Worm^TT · (talk) 10:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Great, and no worries about a delay. I'll keep in mind the need for reliable sources in stating the leaders in the field of Green Museums Ezafiris (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey there :)

Hi Worm, we haven't talked in a while. I'm wondering if there are Wikipedians I can contact who have subscribed to the New York Times and are willing to purchase an article for a WP article. Thanks! (Oh, and BTW, can you comment in my editor review?) HurricaneFan25 17:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi HurricaneFan! Long time no chat, I've had my eye on you though and nothing has concerned me :) My head may be going soft, but I have a vague recollection that Ironholds may be able to help you with your request - I think he has access to such things. You could possibly ask (or search the archives) at the NYT page on wikipedia. Otherwise, if it's actually down to spending money, I think it might have to be out of your own pocket I'm afraid. I'll do my best to look at your editor review as soon as I can. Worm^TT · (talk) 19:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi HuricaneFan. If you're still needing a NYT article drop a note on my talk page. Cloveapple (talk) 05:30, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hey Worm! I was considering an article on Ikechi Nnamani and noticed that an article had been deleted on him in 2009. Would you be willing to email me the contents of the article or to restore it in the subpage User:Ryan Vesey/Ikechi Nnamani? Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:17, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. Hopefully, he's done something since then! Worm^TT · (talk) 09:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I was sort of led to believe that he had done more than he had. I will probably start on the article, but it looks like it will be another 2 years before he is deserving of an article. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:44, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

TurboForce (again)

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• Comparison of Windows and Linux (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

This dispute has been going for about a month or a half. My concern with TurboForce is his comments on the mentioned article's talk page, which seem to be rants against Windows (COI warning: I love Windows), after being told repeatedly that such comments are not appropriate for talk pages (WP:IDHT seems to apply in my opinion, but I may be wrong), and that consensus is against them. His edits to the article are fine enough though, so I need your advice before I can go to a noticeboard.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jasper. Sorry about the horrible delay here, I've been thinking about what to suggest on and off for a week - not ignoring you, honest! The thing is, as you yourself point out, his edits to the article are fine. And there are strong opinions at work here - you clearly are a Windows fan and he is clearly a Linux fan. Throw my opinion into the mix (which is, if you're interested - comparison articles are almost impossible to keep WP:NPOV, they will undoubtably favour one and be based on opinion, they're not encyclopedic and should be removed all together) and we have a proper little melting pot. That he's suggested corporate influence isn't helpful but the end result is the same - each side favours their O/S.

So, back to the question. No, I don't think it's worth going to a noticeboard. If there are specific issues with the article, I would agree that you could start an RfC, and if you feel specific comments are problematic and you are unable to ignore them, then try to address them specifically. If you are still unable to resolve those comments, feel free to come to me.

I'd like to make a couple of points though. Firstly, NPOV doesn't actually apply to talkspace, nor does verifiability. I could go to an article on, say Toyota Prius, and say that it's the best hybrid car in the world because its battery is the fastest to charge, and I'm looking for references to back that up. That's certainly not NPOV, but also a reasonable thing to put in talk space as I'd be discussing the article.

Secondly, WP:IDHT applies after consensus has been reached, not after a couple of editors disagree. If there was a consensus, and he ignored it, then you might have an argument - here, not so much. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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Charles

I have seen on his talk page that he has been harrassing Adam mugliston. I would just like to say I'm almost certain charles has been looking over every edit I make which does make me feel uncomfortable. Wilbysuffolk Talk to me 15:16, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Umm, umm, slow down a bit. I don't think anyone is accusing Charles of harassment ... it's just that his discussions with Adam tended not to be productive. You can ask Charles - politely - that he not post on your talk page, if you wish.

People viewing your contributions is permitted - all of your contributions, if they're really that interested. If it gets to the level of WP:WIKIHOUND then it's a bit more serious, but if the issues raised do need discussing, then it's not harassment.

If you really want to fix the colours issue on that buses article, then you should format it like List of bus routes in Colchester. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:27, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Exactly as Demiurge says. I never suggested that Charles was harassing Adam, I pointed out that if he carried down on the same path after Adam had politely asked him to stop, then it could lead to harassment. Anyway, I'd follow Demiurge's advice if I were you, if you're finding that discussions with Charles are getting nowhere, ask him politely to not post on your talk page. there's nothing untoward about that. Worm^TT · (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Please leave my posts alone

I don't go around moving your posts around, so kindly extend me the same courtesy. PumpkinSky talk 17:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

"the project", you mean you and pyfan. I'm the project too. that's one of wiki's innumerable problems, someone always thinks they have to stick their nose in your business.PumpkinSky talk 17:49, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page, Worm^TT · (talk) 17:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Response

Thank you sir for your message on my page, was it Σ who told you? How thoughtful of him. But yeah thats perfectly fine, you seem like a really busy guy anyway. The majority of my edits are to do with either politics or 19th / 20th century history. Is there anyone else you would recommend who could take me under their wing for a few months? i did have a previous mentor but unfortunately he doesnt go on much these days. Goldblooded (talk) 22:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Expelled, yet?

Worm!

Been so long, since we've had a chat - better yet, since I last went to Your Adoption School. Well, if you have the time (going through your edit history, you edit as if you don't sleep!), would it be possible if I could proceed with my education at the Adoption school? I apologise for not returning to it for a while - I fail miserably when it comes to procrastination, and that's definately not a good thing to have at my age! :D

Would I be able to start it sometime tommorow? (Monday, 10 October)? If not, some time this upcomming week?

Thank You! -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 12:56, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Another!

Hey Worm :) There's a possible third DYK/2nd GA up my alley :). Would you mind giving 1906 Florida hurricane a quick copyedit? Thanks! HurricaneFan25 16:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey HurricaneFan. I've had a look through and it looks good to me. Worth checking with someone more knowledgable though. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:25, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

RfA

Hello. Would you be willing to review my edits to see if I'm ready to be nominated for adminship? I have previously run unsuccessfully under the username Wikiwoohoo. Cloudbound (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

RE: Adoption course

Hi WTT, thanks for your message a while back. I just wanted to let you know that I haven't completely disappeared, but I recently started a new job in real life and have had no time for Wikipedia of late. I should be back again before too long though, so if you are still happy to be my adopter then could we leave my page archived until I get back and then re-activate it? I am still very keen to learn from you and take your course as soon as real life settles back down again!

And congratulations on becoming an admin a few months ago. I hope it is going well. Sincerely, Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 06:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

replied at AA's page Worm^TT · (talk) 12:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hey there WTT, sorry to bother you but ive got a quick question; something ive noticed is that a lot of editors when they sign their posts have their name in different colours or have "return fire" or "shout back" etc next to it , do you know how to get this? Goldblooded (talk) 12:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, basically, that's custom signature - you can change colours, words or anything to be how you like. There's some guidelines on what you should/shouldn't have (no pictures, must be under 256 chars in wiki code, etc etc) which are outlined at WP:SIG. To change your signature, you just need to put your new signature in the signature box of my preferences Worm^TT · (talk) 12:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah right , ive got the jist of it but how do i add colour? Goldblooded_{Return Fire} 14:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

and is there a way to get the latter part to be aligned at the top as opposed to at the bottom? Goldblooded_{Return Fire} 14:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

You just need to know your html wizardry. Have a look at User:Worm That Turned/Sig Test to see some people I've helped in the past. I can put one together for you if you're struggling - just let me know what you'd like. Oh, and if you use "sup" instead of "sub", it'll align to the top. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, ill look at that in a bit thanks :) Also , are you allowed to "borrow" an idea off another editor? Not nessarially just for sigs, for example i noticed this other user had a page where other users could post reviews/complaints about that user; would i be able to copy his idea? (or part of it) Goldblooded_{Return Fire} 14:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Everything on Wikipedia has been released under the terms of WP:CC-BY-SA, and I mean everything. As such, yes you can freely use anything, as long as it's been attributed (ie, mention where you got it from in the edit summary per WP:COPYPASTE). My adoption school is a bastardised version of Hersfolds, my userpage is a bastardised version of Jimbo Wales old one. Reuse is a great thing :) Worm^TT · (talk) 15:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

And also, im a little confused by the archive system - is there a way to create a seperate archives for the complaints page? [[1]]

Yes, in the same way you would for the other. I'll do it for you, save you a bit of time. Worm^TT · (talk) 15:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for all your help :) thanks for doing the coding too, much appreciated. Goldblooded^{Return Fire} 15:58, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

One last think, do you by any chance know how to make a page redirect?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stavtordt Goldblooded^{Return Fire} 20:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, please take a lookat the Daily Mail talk page and give me your opinion on the "my chemical romance" section. It's Jenova20 here not logged in. Thanks 90.209.124.27 (talk) 22:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)