Talk:Ternopil

Article: de:Ternopil Corresponding English-language article: Ternopil Worth doing because: famous shtetl and no article Originally Requested by: --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 04:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC) Status: translation finished Lectonar 08:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC) Other notes: Supported:

I deleted the jew history paragraph because a city in a country is not a "jew related stub" as the previuos version said. That information about jewish history should be placed in another article. I will add relevant information in the future.

New edits

Vasyl Avramenko was not born in Ternopil. If anything, he may have passed through there later in life, but I don't have that information at this moment. I will remove him unless there's a reason to keep him. With that in mind, what do the other names signify, and are they from the same source as the one that listed Avramenko?
Can the Jewish Tarnopol paragraph be integrated with the rest of the article? Right now it looks segregated like an alternate history.--tufkaa 22:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Demographics 1939

"In 1939 it was a city of 40,000; 50% of the population was Polish, 10% Ukrainian and most of the remaining part was Jewish."
I can't find the source of this. Does anyone have this? --Jeroenvrp 23:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

That is simle speculation which seems to be common throughout the towns that used to be part of Poland. The main goal of that statistics to show that no nationality such as the Ukrainian existed. And if it even did it was a pure minority. Such edits usually done by a common ethnic Polish who does not recognize and never will that Ukrainian nationality carries no less value as the Polish. That is the result of the historical discrimination that took place throughout the history. Ukrainians on the right bank of Dnipro were discriminated by Polish, and on the left bank -- by Russians. Russians as well as Polish tried to fight the influence of the other culture, building all of the blame upon the Ukrainian culture and considering it as the scewed version of its own by the neighboring country. At the end the Ukrainian nationality was never recognized. The Ukrainian literature was forbidden and the Ukrainian culture was consider as of the less developed version of eather Russian or Polish counterpart. Those were the basic grounds of hatred that existed among Ukrainians and caused the war for independence by Bohdan Khmelnytskyi, Koliivschina, OUN-UPA. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:00, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Footnotes

Currently there is a huge footnote explaining in short words what happened in 1918. However, it's definitely biased and full of errors.

• The Jewish and German population accepted the new Ukrainian state, but the Poles started the military campaign against the Ukrainian authority. - well, technically it was the other way around
• On November 11, 1918 following the bloody fighting the Polish forces captured Lviv - and again, in reality it were the Ukrainian units that failed to capture Lvov, not the Poles who captured it. Poles were already there :)

//Halibutt 20:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Polish Residents

Would the residents of Ternopil/Tarnopol have been considered Polish citizens in the years 1918-1920? Kaiser matias 22:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

That is an odd question. At that period in Ternopil lived not only Polish citizens, but also Hungarian citizens, Russian citizens, German citizens, and many others. It wasn't like there was a thourough ethnic cleansing that had taken place or the mass pasport exchange. The city simply became a part of the Ukrainian state with the possibility for Ukrainians to recognize themselve as such rather than Polish, if you that intended to ask. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Polish town and Judeocentrism

For me as a Pole it's an insult,not the first and last one on Wikipedia,the Jew and German pushing medium,that there's no talk of its Polishness,how the city was for centuries (!) part of Poland,how it was funded,built and defended by Poles and the scale of its links with Polishness;yet there is a whole paragraph about Jews!Could someone tell me why Wikipedia is writing about places thoroughly linked with Poles and Poland like about a city with no links to my nation?The Germans are pushing their agenda full scale on topics related to western Poland and there are hords of germanophiles on the English Wikipedia and they also want to erase every notion of Polishness east of the Bug river.In short their agenda is that:extend German propaganda wherever it is possible (and where it is not!) and at the same time belittle Polish rule east of the Bug river.