Talk:Super Mario Sunshine

Worst-selling Super Mario game

Guys, I think we will have to update the Reception section because this game, currently, has sold the lowest number of copies in comparison with the other Super Mario games (SMB sold 40 million, SMB2 10 millon, SMB3 17 million, SMW 20 million, SM64 11 million and SMG 6.1 million).--201.242.1.193 (talk) 21:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC) That can't be right. SMW sold 15 million, I thought. And this game isn't the worst selling. I know that one of them is worse-selling than this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

It probably has a lot to do with a) this game not being a launch title and b) the GameCube selling poorly -220.245.253.81 (talk) 03:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

not notable sources

GameCritics.com, Gaming Age and N-Philes are not considered notable or reliable（see the red link）.The content with no notable source should be removed per Wikipedia:Notability andWP:Reliable sources.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 17:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because they don't have articles, doesn't me they're not reliable. Give me one good reason they're not reliable, because neither you or your sock puppets have given any. The Prince (talk) 07:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Gaming Age and N-Philes show no information on their editorial oversight. GameCritics.com shows no information on their editorial oversight. Demonstrate reliability on the talk page before adding.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

GameCritics is reliable. user:David Fuchs sent an e-mail to the site's owner, Chi Kong Lui, who said: "...For our reviews and feature articles, [we do fact-check]. We expected our writers to fact-check and content is reviewed by two [other] editors before publication. [...] absolutely, we would post corrections and retractions if errors are found." I'll add that one back in. The others I need to research further. The Prince (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Please tell where the information user:David Fuchs received and written is.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 15:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Since you're the one having problems with the site, you should be the one doing it. I've already shown you that it is reliable, and if you continue your disruptive behaviour, I'll contact an admin and get you blocked. Please co-operate with people. The Prince (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

What are you tailking about? Show the evidence user:David Fuchs received the reply. Stop personal attack and Vandalism and rejecting discussion, or you will be blocked.--43.244.132.168 (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, I agree with anonymous user. What is this "User:David Fuchs has spoken with them and you figure it out"? Prince, you are the one claiming it's reliable; you need to justify it and this is just plain strange. That's not the standard for a reliable source. It looks like a site where people can post their own reviews on games. That's a classic self-published source and approaches a blog really. I honestly don't see how it is reliable at all. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Gamecritics.com

The question of whether gamecritics was reliable or not came up on a FAC some time ago, I'm not sure which, it might've been Halo (series). Either way, I sent emails to a bunch of people, I've copied the email below:

On 6/1/08, David Fuchs sent a message using the contact form at http://www.gamecritics.com/contact.

Hello, my name is David Fuchs and I am an administrator and contributor at Wikipedia. One of Wikipedia's policies [blah blah blah...] I was wondering if you could answer the following questions regarding the site:

• How long has GameCritics been active?
• Do the site founders/editors fact-check or review staff writing before it is posted?
• Does the site retract pieces or edit them after posting if corrections are found?

I got a reply, from Chi Kong Lui, the owner of the site. I could quote him, but I'm not sure what the legality of that is, so settle for paraphrasing; he said that 1) they've been around since 1999, 2) Their reviews and featured articles are fact-checked, by the editor and writers, and two editors review before publication. Blog posts are fact-checked once, but have no editorial oversight. He assured me that errors are corrected and articles amended and updated with new information or if errors are found.

User:Ealdgyth reviewed the site and left it up to other reviewer deference over use or not. I should not that it depends how the source is being used; if the source is being used to state trivial facts, it's generally easy to replace it with a better one. If it's being used as a review, stating the opinion and publication makes it clear it's one person's opinion and it's generally more permissable. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 19:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Mysteries

I noticed there are some very mysterious things throughout the game. Look at Peach's outfit in Delfino near the game's beginning. Observe it near the end. Not only in the color several shades darker, but the outfit has undergone many minor (but noticeable) changes. Is there a reason for this? Also, Shadow Mario can be seen from a point in Delfino. While looking across at the miniature island, a dark figure can be seen darting around. This cannot be seen from all angles, I've noticed, but you'll see it if you look. Another interesting point is Bowser's romantic interest in Peach. If you start a save file called "BowserandPeach", and then start a new file, every line from Bowser that contains the word Peach will be in dark pink. All of these things are in the game. Look for them if you don't believe me. Did anybody else find anything? This game is mysterious... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.202.127 (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

<REPLY> Unfortunately, this type of information is difficult to include in the article for two reasons. The first one is the original research, those details are being noticed by you but, according to the policies, that information needs to be already published on a reliable source. If not, then how can you verify it? The second reason, much crueler, is the notability. In which way this information can improve the content of the article? I know, you feel disappointed, but it is the heartless way Wikipedia works. 148.233.157.234 (talk) 19:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

You can't name save files in Sunshine, so verifying that claim is borderline impossible. 129.67.177.214 (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

In answer to the first comment, the "BowserandPeach" thing is not possible in this game. Maybe you're thinking of another one? I have noticed the dark figure darting around, but can you prove that it's "Dark Mario". I also noticed the change in colour in Peach's outfit, but this may just be a misight on behalf of the game's creators, and isn't really notable. 99.247.244.120 (talk) 19:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)This Name Is Too Long, Isn't It? I Thought It Might Be, But I Like It Because Of It's Length.

You've got to ask yourself if it's notable. And the answer, simply, is that it isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 21:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Image Addition

I really think this article should get a Shine Sprite picture, wasn't there one before? FMasic (talk) 12:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The "Sequel"

Is Super Mario Galaxy an ACTUAL sequel to Super Mario Sunshine. Just because they share similar game elements and were both on consoles does not make Galaxy a sequel. Are there any sources that state Galaxy was a sequel to Sunshine? Harry Blue5 (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Internet Meme

At the beginning of the commercial for this game, there is a kid who sings the line 'The world's a special place'. In May 2011, that beginning bit with the kid became an internet meme, with YouTubers using that clip multiple times, and after each clip of the kid is something bad about the world. Why not mention this? 82.13.79.52 (talk) 06:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

First Mario game not to be released as a launch title for a Ninendo console?

"and is the first Mario game to not be released as a launch title for a Nintendo console" Is this quote from the Wikipedia article correct? I didn't think the original "Mario Brothers" and "Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins" and "Dr. Mario" were launch titles, but maybe they were in some region for some specific Nintendo console. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.84.98.122 (talk) 22:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)