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Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chris_Sanders_(musician)

Thought the WikiProject/Guitarists might like to post their thoughts at the above AfD. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 23:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC) 23:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Metallica concert tours/archive4

Hello! Any input to the above nomination would be greatly appreciated. Nergaal (talk) 20:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Assessment drive

Hi folks. Category:Unassessed guitarist articles has gotten quite large again. If anyone has some spare time, please grab a letter and go through to assess those articles. It is also a good opportunity to find out of they are even notable and might require expansion or even deletion. All biographies of living persons require reliable sources (see WP:BLP), so if they have no sources, please tag them as such. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Guitarist articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

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If you have already provided feedback, we deeply appreciate it. For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 16:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

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FLRC

I have nominated List of Telecaster players for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 (talk) 17:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Gibson Les paul players list

I'm here writing for whoever want to read and discuss the inclusion of Steve Clark on the list. For you who have not seen the discussion of his inclusion to the list Im going to place it below this text. At the moment there is a person who delete and block any information not giving any reason or discuss this action. The question is why a person who bring information sources that complete the lead for include the guitarist to the list is still blocked while many of the guitarist on the list have not any discussion, neither citation proving so.

Ps Before any judgment I was accused for use another user name something called socketpupet that was once never do it again, I was new to the wikipedia rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Gibson_players

Please discuss and tell a reason, its frustrating when somebody just says: delete because lead in, when Im bringing tons of sources and proving him wrong. I have been called troll, fancruft and many other names while this person keeps deleting without any kind of rational discussion. Even its unfair seeing many of the guitarist on the list without any citation, reliable source, notability description or even more merit to be on the list than the person who I have been trying to include. --76.26.24.74 (talk) 22:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Your additions of Steve Clark into the article have failed to provide a reference that show importance. I believe there may be an argument to include him if a reference showing that he was notable for a specific model. But he didn't appear to be. The first half of his career he played Ibanez models. And when he switched to Gibson for the final 5 years of his life he did not favour any one particular model. Instead he shuffled from one Gibson to another more as a novelty or a choosing whatever looked good with his wardrobe. Your recent vandalism of the article did not support your position at all as you blanked out pictures of some of the most famous Gibson players of all time like Emmylou Harris and Sam Bush and you also deleted referenced players who had several book citations backing them up. Your edits have been nothing more than WP:POINT and not constructive at all. I would love to see Steve Clark included on the list. He owned a few Gibson Firebirds and Les Paul Juniors. If any of them were singularly famous then it would support his name being added to the list. Have any of them been added to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Some may be viewable in a Hard Rock Cafe somewhere but that is not notable at all. Just about any person can get an instrument into one of those bars. If he played a guitar that once belonged to another famous Gibson player would certainly be notable. Paul Kossof is one of the most famous Les Paul players of all time. And Clark was a huge fan of him. Did he own and play a guitar that was once owned by his hero. If he did then he could certainly be added. If it had a reference. 198.164.219.128 (talk) 23:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

++++ First of all thank you for join, is really refreshing when somebody indeed want to discuss but limit to reply: "lead not met" delete. I'm curious what you are calling WP:POINT in fact sometimes the frustration of bringing to the table something and not be discussed but just limited to be blocked its unfair. I edited the article according of what I have been told: It needs citations to be included, if you take a look I only edited the names that were on the list without citation, you mentioned two names that I dont even have an idea who they are, maybe they are awesome, I clearly edited some famous names but without citation they are not meeting the lead other new additions are being blocked.

Now let me tell you a couple of corrections. Steve Clark was active during 13 years on that period he sold over 40 million albums and wrote many hits/popular songs, During all his career He NEVER played ibanez (maybe you are confused with Phil Collen who played Ibanez destroyer), He played rare occasions a Hammer on the very begging of the first record and one time he appeared on the love bites video playing a fender who Jimmy page (His real Hero/influence) gave it to him. Not true he was a big fan of Kossof, Jimmy page was his god, Steve died for him, the gibson twin neck Gibson EDS 1275 was a perfectly example of this, Steve was the only one notable player on 80s for playing and make popular this guitar (I found a "video" of it making the reference). Steve Clark was pure legitim Gibson player 100% tons of sources back up that.

You said he switched from gibson to gibson just for fad wow thats harsh, specially if you treat the same way eddie van halen cos he swithced or change the color of his guitar just to look good, Slash has been cought with many gibson model, so your point is misleading... we know that is not true. for example If you love a brand you buy and consume the brand, if you like toyota you can have 3 toyotas parking on your garage if you can, if you like apple you can have iphone, ipad, etc. Its not for fad its because simply you love the brand, there are apple maniacs there are gibson maniacs like steve was. He used a rare gibson Les Paul XR-1, I challenge you find another famous guitarist that played this model. Plus Steve has his own Gibson signature (source gave it too).

I just want to make it easier for you and for everybody and summarize the sources (not all of it cos`I found lots! you can find those on the discussion on the link above)

Links mention Steve as Gibson notable player: http://www.lespaulguide.com/famous-les-paul-players.php , http://rockureview.com/?p=1220, http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/top-50-guitar-albums-0727/ Links mention all Steve gears and explaining rarities: http://www.steveclarkguitar.com/StevesHysteriaTourGuitars.html , http://www.guitaredge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=614:def-leppard-bringin-on-the-heartbreak&catid=54:this-months-songs-with-tab&Itemid=89,

NOTABILITY

• 101 UNSUNG GUITAR HEROES: In the October 2004 issue of UK's Guitarist magazine they have listed a readers poll of 101 Unsing Guitar Heroes and Mr Steve Clark is featured in the list. And rightly so. (Our Clarkie is a God!) Nobody has been allocated a number; it's just a list of 101 names whom I would assume received the most votes. Here's what is said about our Steve: "Unsung as much as a songwriter as a player, the hard-living Clark lent early Leppard some great riffs as well as punchy, economical solos. He tragically died in 1991, aged just 30. Guitarist pick: Pyromania (1983) You say:'Always melodic, and packed with feel and tone. Def Leppard lost their edge when he was gone.' Jonathan Bradbeer"
• Little Angels - Guitarist Bruce Dickinson "I switched to Gibson Les Paul guitars after seeing him. It's such a shame that Steve has died. I hope he had a good time on the way. The band have had a lot of bad stuff happen to them. It just goes to show you should enjoy life as you go along and make the best of it."
• Watch this jewel Frank Hannon of Tesla, If you like love song of tesla notice this song was written with a Steve guitar plus appeared on the video of the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25GwOPoiYo8&feature=player_embedded#
• MARIAH CAREY IS A STEVE CLARK FAN TOO! did you know the song One Sweet Day is widely know for being inspired by the death of Mariah’s “Guitar Legend,” She loved Steve, even she cover the bringing on the heartbreak as tribute.
• Slaughter - Vocalist Mark Slaughter: "Steve Clark was a very big inspiration to our band because Def Leppard were a big contributing factor to the Slaughter sound. It is a very great loss and we wish the guys in Def Leppard all the best. I'm sure that Steve is now with John Bonham and all the other greats."
• Iron Maiden - Bassist Steve Harris: All of the boys are devastated. Knowing him for some 10 years we have always had the greatest respect for him and his creative musical talents. He was like all the people in Leppard, down to earth and very friendly. Steve was a great guy and will be sorely missed by all of Iron Maiden."

I have ignored bunch of citations saying how great he was, how much he is missed and how much he loved and collaborate to the Gibson popularity. As I said before its a no brainer that Steve was on videos on MTV like "Photograph", pour some sugar on me or Animal, videos that were played 24/7 and young kids and new generations saw this blonde guy carry this gibson in this particular way (Low to the knees), you clearly cant deny he add popularity to Gibson, you can not take away that credit, that is what im standing for, I mean, for god sake he appears carrying a gibson les paul on his grave

I saw recently he was selected on this In 2007 Clark was ranked #11 on Classic Rock Magazine's "100 Wildest Guitar Heroes". That is a printed source, Im just curious why you accept printed sources for some guitarist and not for others, Im positive quite sure there is a lot of writing sources for Steve Clark.

Finally please come back and discuss I have notice all the guys who are "blocking" the incorporation are from Canada, I dont know if taking this as a coincidence or something else. If this could be reach other hands I know we could get something good. --76.26.24.74 (talk) 01:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

****Correction:**** IP 198.164.219.128 Now I recognize you, you are not a new contributor, you are the person who said: Steve Clark was a mediocre to average guitar player in a band that was successful in the 1980s on the discussion of the article, but now you are saying You would love to see Steve Clark included on the list... That make no sense. Now I understand why your comment was a little out of the truth like the ibanez thing and the "switching to switching gibson" Please new contributors are welcome --76.26.24.74 (talk) 02:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: I want to point the following Now taking a second look to the comment of IP 198.164.219.128

1) Steve clark is the only notable player who played the rare Gibson XR1 discontinued on 1983, source provided.

2)IP 198.164.219.128 pointed "It's not a Les Paul players list its a list for all Gibson instruments" if this is the case just the title of the article is wrong (List of Gibson players) I would consider evaluate and give more detail of what the article is looking for.

3) It happen again as always, no one comes and join the discussion just the same 2 persons who has been stopped the inclusion, wikipedia its no easy for everybody, most of the people could help the discussion does not know how to get into this discussion neither know we are having one right now. I have received accusing attacks from others IP's before(canadians) whom never been editing wikipedia before but how curious their first edit they did its reverting my edits in a very experienced way, I suspecting is the same person using other Ip but Im not going to do nothing because I dont know how to carry this over.--76.26.24.74 (talk) 05:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Of the 2 IPs that you've argued with: 1 is located in Portland Oregon, United States and the other is located in Northern British Columbia, Canada. That's about 1000 miles difference and in 2 different countries. You have argued that Steve Clark is a famous person. But you have failed to verify that any of his Gibson guitars were notable. Or that his playing a Gibson meant any great difference to Gibson sales. He was a celebrity. But when he died Gibson sales didn't skyrocket. And no one appears to have been quoted in any of your links as saying that they switched over to Gibson because they saw Mr. Clark playing one. You fail to miss the entire point of the debate. And the entire point of the article. A generic list of Gibson players would have 100 000 names on it. The point of the list is notability. Gibson never made a Steve Clark signature model. He played guitar in an extremely popular band and it is sad that he was an alcoholic who drank himself to death at the height of his fame.. But, in the grand scheme of things, the brand of guitar he played made no real difference at all to anyone other than him. 202.174.176.253 (talk) 15:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

hello IP 202.174.176.253 check this link for "And no one appears to have been quoted in any of your links as saying that they switched over to Gibson because they saw Mr. Clark playing one." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25GwOPoiYo8&feature=player_embedded#. and this one for the Gibson signature for Mr Clark. http://www.steveclarkguitar.com/StevesHysteriaTourGuitars.html another source says the following:

GM: I've always associated you, Steve, with Gibson Les Pauls and you, Phil, with Les Pauls and then later Ibanez Destroyers. What guitars are you currently playing?

Steve: I've always played Les Pauls - in fact, I've just signed a deal with Gibson which is really good 'cos they'll make me anything I want. Guitarist Magazine (July 1988) - written source.

I think there is BIG misconception in the article, just look at the title "List of Gibson players" but you are not the first person saying "failed to verify that any of his Gibson guitars were notable". so the article should be called List of notable gibson GUITARS, Im not the only one who have seen this misconception, I have seen lots of people saying this right after Wikilbs delete their stuff. Anyway I have bring to the table that Steve was also notable for playing during pyromania world tour and appeared on videoclips the extremely rare Gibson XR-1, I swear to god nobody else at least famous has been playing this model. You can see Steve clark playing this guitar on the blockbuster/heavy MTV rotation video "photograph" heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ5bS3_BCDs . that does not count?. I posted two sources about this one but of course its been ignored.

Believe me its pretty HARD find online sources, that video of Frank Hannon of Tesla talking about Steve was a very lucky shot. On the list there is more than 90+ guitarist without any source or merely describing the notability... I have build a complete description with several sources but its not enough, you need to comprehend its hard to find one single source describing the whole lead-in that is why you have to took pieces of sources and put them together just like I did. I know theres a lot of written sources for Steve-gibson relationship are those valid? Kerrang, circus magazines, The animal instinct book, I know for sure on any of these written sources we can debate the gibson sales due to steve, as I said its pretty difficult even for any of the artists on the list get a source saying that, but using the logic you can see Steve was a pionner of gibson guitar on the 80s through MTV just compare other bands of the era and none of them play gibson because they rather play flashy guitars like fender or hammer. If Gibson has any significant sales on the 80`s was because of Steve Clark and Slash after appetite album. I have 3 sources showing an independent list of notable gibson players included for example Jimmy page, angus young, etc.. steve clark. but how come all of them are on the article but steve, even one of the list im refering is from the Gibson web page...

I have bring many topics to discuss you cant complain "name of the article", "written sources", "artist on the list without sources" and of course summarizing the sources i have found for the inclusion of Clark, "the XR-1", and debating/correcting some of your comments with links.

So if you're agree the article of Steve would be like this:

Steve Clark (Def Leppard) played Gibson guitars exclusively during his career contributing significantly to the popularity of the brand part in due to the heavy rotation videos of the band on Mtv, the main one being a classic Gibson Les Paul Standard. He also used a Gibson Firebird and the twin neck Gibson EDS-1275, referred to onstage by Joe Elliott as the Gibson 18-string Razor.. He used on High 'n' Dry world tour a Gibson Explorer made out of rare Honduran mahogany. His primary axes on the Pyromania world tour were a Gibson Les Paul Standard and one of few notable players that played a rare Gibson Les Paul XR-1. He is seen playing a 58 Sunburst Les Paul on the massive hit video bringing on the heartbreak. During Hysteria world tour he used Gibson “Dirty Fingers” mounts on his Gibson models such as W-neck Gibson EDS and his own signature custom made white Gibson Firebird.

Regards --76.26.24.74 (talk) 02:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys we are having some add ins for this matter on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Gibson_players#Steve_Clark If you wanna join the discussion here or there its fine, please join. --76.26.24.74 (talk) 01:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.gibson.com/it-it/Stile-di-Vita/Notizie-Rilevanti/Steve-Clark-0128-2011/&ei=r8RuTZ7ICois8APu34zuDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsite:gibson.com%2B%252B%2522steve%2Bclark%2522%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divnso another source --76.26.24.74 (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Discussion affecting an article

There is currently a discussion concerning moving the Warwick (disambiguation) page to Warwick taking place at Talk:Warwick (disambiguation). One of the targets is the Warwick bass brand (which I believe should be under the scope of this project, but has yet to be assessed). You may wish to comment. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 20:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs - the final surge

Since early in 2010, many editors have assisted in the referencing or removal of over 90% of the Unreferenced Biographies of Living People, bringing the total down from over 50,000 to the current 4,862 (as of 16:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)). Thank you for all of the work you've done to date, but we are now asking for your help in finishing this task. There are two main projects which are devoted to removing UBLPs from en.Wikipedia:

• WP:URBLP has set up a large number of topic based lists, which are updated each day by a WP:BOT. Your project's list is located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists/Unreferenced BLPs and currently contains 52 articles.
• WP:URBLPR is focusing on clearing out the backlog based on the month in which each article was tagged as being unreferenced. The current task is Category:Unreferenced BLPs from September 2009, and it is the last month remaining from 2009.
• You can also reference a random article or make your own lists using one of the catscan tools, such as this search for Canadian guitarists.

All you have to do is pick your articles and then add suitable references from reliable sources and remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template. There is no need to log your changes, register or remove the articles from the list. If you need any help, or have any comments, please ask at WP:URBLPR or WT:URBLP.

Thank you for any assistance you can provide. The-Pope (talk) 16:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Fancruft of notable player lists

Just wondering the merit of these list as many seem to attract a contant flow of IPs who just want to add there favourites regardless of whether they are truly notable... Fender pages being a current target. Mr Pyles (talk) 03:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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Yeah, I kinda agree. Having talk pages full of, well, guff, with far too long arguments about issues that don't really require the effort is getting a little tiresome, especially. I see they're now starting to spill over onto the WP talk pages (see above for just one example). Removing them might be a bit far...semi-protection maybe?--Sebread (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

John Paul Jones assessment

Hi there. I was looking through the page for John Paul Jones recently, when I realised that it is still rated C Class on our quality scale. It's been improved significantly since I last had a look at it, and looking through our assessment criteria, I can say I think that it has the quality and substance, as well as a range of reliable references to qualify as a B Class article, if not an A class (maybe with a little more work). Seeing as it's quite an important article, I wasn't planning to just charge in and change it, so any thoughts, anyone? --Sebread (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)