Talk:India

Edit request on 19 January 2012

the religion census is not yet updated though the census has been announced muslim population should be 14.9% according to census 2010 thought it is written 13.4% which is according to the last census 2001

so , therefore there is big difference of 10 years and according to indian censuses muslims are increasing atleast 1.9% every ten years so that's why there should be updating on this article though govt. is not disclosing the correct figure of muslims .

pls take my request and aply it as soon as possible and i would appreciate you thank you

182.71.118.178 (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

In fact, Islam is in decline in India. Muslims are leaving their faith to Dharmic roots. The more and more terror happening is making Indian Muslims to dump Islam to move towards other faiths of their choice.[1] Moksae (talk) 02:34, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

It's the same worldwide. The Africa statistics need to be revised. http://pjmedia.com/blog/muslims-leaving-islam-in-droves/Moksae (talk) 02:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a source? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

"Science and technology" and "Transport" sections

Rvd4life has added two new sections: "Science and Technology" (with the "T" miscapitalised) and "Transport". If we arrive at a consensus to keep even one of these, it'd be best to emulate the TOC at Canada, which is a well-maintained FA. They have S&T under "Economy". Also, they don't have a "Transport" section. Maybe Rvd4life is looking at the structure of United Kingdom, but that article is oversized and not featured. Also, there are the WP:COUNTRY and WP:MOS guidelines. Saravask 05:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

As written, I suggest that the science and technology section be removed. With all the caveats ("however"), the section doesn't really say anything meaningful about S&T in India and will only confuse the reader. Ditto for transport. That section says nothing about the transport infrastructure except in vague and general terms. --regentspark (comment) 14:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Removed them. Saravask 07:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

The Science and Technology sections were the lead paragraph(s) from the respective page of the article. I thought that India's vast ancient scientific legacy along with its' modern projects deserved some sort of mention.. Perhaps we could make a paragraph that is more useful? --Rvd4life (talk) 22:25, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Afghanistan

The lead currently has a footnote next to Pakistan when mentioning bordering countries, in which Afghanistan is claimed as a bordering country according to the Government of India's claims. My question is, is this really appropriate per WP:NPOV and WP:DUE? Looking at the ground realities, it's unrealistic to say that India shares an imaginary border with Afghanistan because the Gilgit-Baltistan region is as much a part of Pakistan as Jammu and Kashmir is claimed to be a part of India. And also, what are the viewpoints of other nations on this? Pakistan considers the entire of Kashmir as its own territory, including the state of Jammu and Kashmir. China, the other party in the Kashmir dispute, has its own issues with the Indian claim too. And most importantly, what is the Government of Afghanistan's stance on Gilgit-Baltistan? Or the international community, such as the United Nations, which as per status quo regards Indian-administered territory to cease no further than the Line of Control? Where then, does India bordering Afghanistan come into the equation? And how come the Pakistan article lead does not have a similiar footnote claiming its borders to stretch beyond the Line of Control, to include the disputed territory of Jammu and Kashmir? Mar4d (talk) 08:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

According to me, the foot note has been written from a very neutral point of view. It does not say "India shares border with Afghanistan", it only says "Government of India considers Afghanistan to be a bordering country", which is a fact. --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Please see my comment above. There is a difference between a claim and a fact. The statement that India considers Afghanistan as a bordering country is a claim, not a fact. Officially, there is no physical boundary between the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and the Republic of India and presenting that claim in a footnote does not add any more credibility to the reality. The Afghan government does not call India a bordering country, neither does the international community or the United States (US doesn't see India sharing Afghan border) The problem with the footnote under discussion is that it is heavily portraying one side of the coin while ignoring the larger and broader context, which is the Kashmir conflict. India's dispute on territories administered by Pakistan holds no more legitimate weight than Pakistan's claims over Indian-administered Kashmir. I see only two solutions to this issue: Either remove the whole footnote since it is not compliant with WP:WEIGHT. Or for balance and to present a full picture of the Kashmir issue, in the same footnote, add the Government of Pakistan's dispute on Jammu and Kashmir and Pakistan's own version of its borders. Mar4d (talk) 09:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The view of the Government of India as to its own borders is relevant for an article about India. Placing it in a foot-note is about right vide WP:WEIGHT keeping in view the the complex border issues involved. It is also neutrally written. It may not be suitable to include in an article on Afghanistan or Pakistan but in an article on India, Indian Government views are notable enough to mention. Your contention is not agreed for the reasons stated. AshLin (talk) 11:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

All the points that User:Mar4d has brought about have nothing to challenge the neutrality of the statement. Pakistan government's viewpoints and claims on its borders should be included in Pakistan article. Not here. The primary purpose of the foot note is to convey government of India's claims. WP:WEIGHT is about giving weights to different viewpoints. The footnote here is not a viewpoint at all. It is written in the form of a fact explaining India's claims. My opinion is that the word "considers" can be changed to "claims". I am inviting other editors' opinion on this. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. Wikipedia is not an advocate of any particular government, each and every piece of material deserves to be presented neutrally, factually and with due weight. This is not so the case here. The footnote mentions India's claims of sharing a border with Afghanistan yet does not mention the other half, namely that the entire region which it lays dispute to (including Jammu and Kashmir) in the first place is fully claimed by another country. For a reader who is not well versed with the Kashmir conflict and reads it, this footnote is highly misleading, one-sided and ambiguous. Mar4d (talk) 13:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

However, you have conflict of interest when arguing. As neutral editor here I would have this información not in footnote but in the lead in form text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.98.197.34 (talk) 13:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

We could definitely reword it to be more concise, with perhaps a better wikilink, but I don't see how a footnote would add to the Pakistan article at all. It doesn't really change Pakistan's borders. CMD (talk) 14:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

This foot note was around for a long time(Talk:India/Archive_5#Does_Afghanistan_border_India.3F). Seems that user wants to waste time arguing over non-issue¿