Talk:Racism

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posting such images aims to malign the image and reputation of all Muslims regardless of their race or ethnicity.

As we all know this was not the only form of racism in the Middle Ages therefore it is very important to balance the article.

ANSWER: there are already other images depicting western's racism and no other to represent an arab one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.46.233.98 (talk) 02:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I enjoy how this whole article trashes white people but never tells how whites have been slaves for many years aswell as blacks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.67.100.161 (talk) 20:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 December 2011

Someone should remove the citation needed sections of this article that are not explained or justified in the discussion section. Stoicscientist (talk) 07:10, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

 Not done for now: When citations are provided, they will be removed. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 18:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

UN definition of racism: discrimination on race and ethnicity

Here's the citation that's needed for the last part of the abstract: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm specifically the first part of article 1. 77.250.97.191 (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

edit request added 77.250.97.191 (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

What's the first part of article 1 and the abstract that you're talking about? Banaticus (talk) 09:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  07:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Lead definition of "racism"

The lead definition of "racism [and the first sentence of the article]" reads: "Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination." My isssue is with the "justify discrimination" part. Someone can be racist but not necessarily agree with discrimination or even treat individuals within the race(s) that he or she percieves as "inforior" worse because of their race. A lot of people will probably counter this with "if someone thinks they are superior to someone else, then of course they are going to treat them worse." Not necessarily. For example, someone of at least average intelligence would have to agree that they are intellectually superior to someone who is mentally retarded; but that doesn't necessarily that mean they are going to treat them worse as a result.

The definition that I think best descibes "racism" (of at least what I have found), found on yourdictionary.com (a credible online dictionary), reads: "Racism is a belief that one race is superior to the other or the practice of treating a person or group of people differently on the basis of their race." Although, I think the phrase "at least in general" should have been inserted in between "is" and "superior," as one can be racist, but not necessarly think that every individual belonging to a race is superior to every individual belonging to another race or that one race is superior to another in every way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.79.215.148 (talk) 19:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

No, because racism goes both ways. It's not just "superior" people denigrating "lesser" people, it's also an attempt to limit those "superior" people in order to give a helping hand to those "lesser" people. See, for instance, so-called Reverse discrimination. Perhaps a mention could be made about the difference between equality of provision (everyone receives the same chances) and equality of outcome (everyone receives the same result), but I think we can leave the lead definition with the simple "discrimination" statement and get

more complicated later in the article. Banaticus (talk) 09:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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What a mess - this article really shows some of the weaknesses with Wikipedia when people get out of their depth.

First up: racism is a completely different concept to racial discimination.

Second - racism is the attribution to one or more individuals of negative or positive qualities or characteristics, which they may or may not in fact have, on the basis of their ethnicity alone. The critical point is that racism is only about attribution to a person(s) of a quality or characteristic. Racial discrimination is about treatment.

You need to get the basic concepts straight before getting into the finer detail nad ending up not being qble to see the forest for the trees which really describes what's going on with this article.

--121.209.162.157 (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Racism Defined

In the interest of objective credibility, the definition of the word "racism" in Wikipedia as it currently appears must be corrected. Unfortunately, I hear this word being used incorrectly more often than it is used correctly. This current ill-worded definition certainly doesn't help and only serves to further confuse the otherwise simple definition of the word. The problem lies in the fact that the word "racism" is commonly and incorrectly substituted for, or used synonymously with, a handful of other words with similar but different meanings to describe certain kinds of racially charged attitudes or behaviours. To be certain, the word "racism" defined, in plain words, is a belief in the superiority of one's race over another. The definition ends there. Adding any more words to this definition would convolute the meaning with words that indicate a separate, secondary event. "I am racist, therefore I discriminate". These are two separate idea's, and although one usually follows the other, they are certainly not one and the same.

In my experience, the word "prejudiced" is a more accurate description of what most people are trying to express. However, the word "prejudiced" lacks the more hatefully evil and sinister historical resonance associated with the word "racist". As a result of it's more negatively charged impact it is used more frequently and incorrectly in favor of the word "prejudiced". In this context, the word "discrimination" would be more accurately described as an action or thought process as a consequence of, not simultaneous with, the development of the ideals of racism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.38.123 (talk) 07:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

strange image on popup

In the upper right corner of the popup for links to this article, this image appears:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Bank_of_America_wordmark.svg/200px-Bank_of_America_wordmark.svg.png

I am mostly a user (reader) of Wikipedia, but I have never before seen this, and no explanation is offered for why it is there. I just thought maybe I should point it out.

--Windowrook (talk) 18:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Racism and Racial Discrimination are Completely Different Concepts

Webster's dictionary defines racism as "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." Someone can hold a racist world-view without being engaged in the practice of racial discrimination. Can we please get the article's definition of racism to reflect this? 98.67.251.127 (talk) 01:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Interesting study about the subject

Here it is:

http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.202.64 (talk) 20:32, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Literature review on tolerance

Here is an interesting review on political tolerance, in particular ethnic tolerance. There seems to no section on research on what causes intolerance here so I think this could be a basis for that. Thoughts? http://ideas.repec.org/p/jet/dpaper/dpaper288.html Acadēmica Orientālis (talk) 22:30, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 February 2012

In the last paragraph of the main 'Ideology' section, the term 'race-baiting' is hyper-linked -but recursively links back to the 'Racism' page. I understand that it might be a place-holder for a 'Race-baiting' page someday, but as a user it's just frustrating when I'm trying to find out what the term actually means. Specific description/request: remove hyperlink from the term 'race-baiting' in the last paragraph of the main 'Ideology' section. 206.108.5.29 (talk) 17:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done I replaced it with an interwiki link to the Wiktionary definition, as I believe you are correct that anyone following the link is looking for additional information. Though short, it provides the reader with enough to justify itself. Dru of Id (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

the first line of this article is idiotic....

...and unsupported by sources.

It claims that the definition of "Racism" is Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. This is nonsense. I have never seen Racism defined in such a way in any reliable source. The definition seems to imply that it's okay to hold all kinds of beliefs which are usually considered racist - "race x is inferior to race y" - as long as one doesn't "discriminate" based upon these beliefs. Who wrote this junk?

The closest thing I can see to sourcing for this wacky notion is in the definition section where the claim is made that

Racism involves the belief in racial differences, which acts as a justification for non-equal treatment (which some regard as "discrimination") of members of that race

which is sourced to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. However, what the dictionary actually says is

Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

There is nothing in there about discrimination or justification being necessary conditions for something or someone to be racist. Racism is simply the belief that one race is superior to another, and that race is a primary determinant of important traits and capacities. The present definition in this article is an embarrassment to the Wikipedia as it appears to try to excuse racism and racist beliefs (as long as one doesn't "discriminate"). Again, who wrote this junk?VolunteerMarek 10:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

You guys messed this up

So much has changed, instead of a definiton, we have examples in the front paragraph. Wow guys.140.198.45.66 (talk) 02:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 March 2012

Famous Figures Helping Against Racism: Two of the most famous people that helped spread the word about racism are Martin Luther King Jr. who lead peaceful protests against racism and Rosa Parks who refused to stand up on the bus for a white man, and after getting arrested caused a boycott of buses.

R.G Grant. Racism Changing Attitudes. Austin, TX: Raintree- Vaugh, 2000. Print.

Cjones0037 (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: It isn't clear what you want to add and where you want to add it. Please be specific about what you would like to have done. Expressing your request in a 'please change X to Y' manner may help. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 00:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

In Norway

Racism in Norway? We do not have such an article, in the category Category:Racism in Norway.

See Category:Racism by country

In which other article about racism might the following link (involving Timbuktu (artist)) be relevant, "Racism in the "daily life" (hverdagsrasismen ) is stronger in Norway than in Sweden? --Tumorlenk (talk) 16:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)