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Your ban of Omen1229

Hello FP. After a complaint on my talk page by Nmate, the scope of Omen1229's topic ban from "all edits relating to Slovak-Historian history" has been discussed at

• User talk:EdJohnston#Omen1229
• User talk:Omen1229#You were reported
• User talk:EdJohnston#Impeachment of your objectivity.

I advised Omen1229 not to edit Slovaks or its talk page, and suggested that he might ask you if he needs any further clarification. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 05:45, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I want to ask you what is new with review of my "opponents"[1]>[2], because CoolKoon wrote on my talk page his dubious view with personal attack again.[3] --Omen1229 (talk) 12:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I would like to say something about this case. CoolKoon frequently attack Slovakia and Slovak editors and make a POV provocations and he is involved mostly in nationalistic disputes, here is the last one: [4]. Here is the next: [5], I could not react there to his question, because of my topic ban but here is such person: [6] and I am also deeply touched by this ethnic attack: "heavily biased Slovak editor" [7]. According to no-personal-attacks policy: "some types of comments are never acceptable: ethnic comments directed against another contributor". Clear case of ethnic personal attack against User:Omen1229 and discourtesy against contributors with Slovak ethnicity. --Samofi (talk) 19:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow and just wow. Seems like I'm the (old-)new anti-Slovak boogeyman on English Wikipedia now. Not only I single-handedly micromanage the edits of ALL the Hungarian editors (plus probably some of the admins too), but I obviously try my best to make Slovak editors' life as miserable as possible with all my little conspiracies and "dirty tricks". Are you actually listening to yourself?

Let me clarify the main reason I'm active in quite a few Slovak-related disputes on WP: apparently I'm the only Hungarian editor (out of those who edit history-related topics) who speaks Slovak (to a fairly acceptable degree I dare to say) and hence am able to verify all the Slovak sources inserted into the articles plus add a few if necessary. If my mere presence annoys you/drives you nuts, then I'm really sorry, but I can't help you. I have just as much right to engage in disputes and discussions as you do. These are the rules laid out by the community long before you came along. If you find them unacceptable, feel free to coerce the community into changing them (good luck with that) or find a different playground (the sites I've mentioned on Omen1229's talk page might be the ideal candidates).

I'm not sure about your complaints about the previous posts I've made (feel free to leave a message about them on my talk page even in Slovak so that we can discuss it in an environment that's more comfortable to you), but you could've mentioned Žigmund Pauliny-Tóth outright on Omen1229's talk page as well. I didn't know about him (seems like his life isn't part of the high school curriculum in Slovakia), but I still think that Žigmund Pálffy COULD have Hungarian ancestry. I've also asked for ANY source which could disprove that, but I haven't received any so far.

Oh and as for the personal attacks, do you STILL think after Omen1229's comment (Are you the manager of Nmate[46] and Norden1990[47]?) that my response wasn't in place and appropriate? I mean making such off-the-scale accusations makes one really doubt the commenter's sanity. -- CoolKoon (talk) 21:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

You always point to the other contributors when you are blamed. Btw I still consider you as an inteligent person, but try to make a look on your edit history. You have strong double measure. You supported PROBABLE origin of Zigmund Palffy based on his name. I know his family in Skalica and they are Slovaks - Zahoraks, his father worked in Vepos Skalica. Maybe 2-3 generations ago there is origin like you said. But Thebowclown written "ice hockey player of Hungarian ethnicity". Or you with Fakirbakir had the problem with "Slovak lands" with 1000 searches at Google-books but you had no problem with "Principality of Hungary" which is mentioned in few obscure sources. Do you realy believe that Magyar tribes established PRINCIPALITY in Carpathian basin in 895? I thought the first who united our former country was Geza around 972.. Majority of sources doesnt deal with term Principality of Hungary. About personal attacks of Omen1229, there is not mentioned ethnicity. When did you write something positive about Slovakia? I was reading your texts in Hungarian and only dirty about Slovakia. About beating of Hungarian students at school - it was such a time. Slovak students were beaten in KoH, Slovak students were beaten in CS if they were bad students, or if they speak with dialects. It was normal method in that time. My grandfather told that he said something in Slovak at school (about 1917 in Kezmarok) and he was beaten by "trstenica" but he put a "baranica" under pants and he was smiling.. Do you really need to point only such things? I cant understand one thing I had not call any contributor nationalist, I always used the sources (I agree that sometimes obscure, but who not?), after my first warning at Digwurgen I stopped to edit directly in articles, I used talkpages, but few days after it I was topic banned [8] by this admin after this my edit: [9]. You are opponent I can say, but do you really think that I am so danger, unobjective and my "role among all the editors that have been contributing to the overall disastrous editing atmosphere in this topic domain has been among the most unconstructive.."? And what is the conflict if the 7 editors from Hungary has one opinion and 1 from Slovakia different and it was discussed and supported by sources? Same opinion like me presented in this article: 207.224.80.206 who started this topic, than User:Sborsody.. --Samofi (talk) 06:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Like I said I'm not a sports history expert (in fact I have little to no interest in the topic at all), so I'm basing my opinion purely on semantics. And why wouldn't I point to other contributors when it's me who you accuse of double standards and various other "anti-Slovak mishaps" citing stuff which I had nothing to do with? I didn't say that Pálffy is a Hungarian hockey player and neither did I push for such opinion anywhere. I just dared to say that he MIGHT have some Hungarian ancestry.

The mentioning of "Slovak lands" is fine as long as the context is appropriate (i.e. since the 15th century like you said yourself). But you seem to be complaining about my objections to the usage of the term to refer to lands "since the 5th century" (which's patent nonsense). That's akin to a(n imaginary) Hungarian editor who'd claim that Hungarians=Etruscs=Babylonians=Tibetans, then (after being reverted) he would accuse everybody of double standards, POV, masonic conspiracy etc. because of the revert of some outrageous and completely unverifiable claims.

The "Principality of Hungary" is actually part of Hungarian history curriculum in all the Hungarian schools (even the ones in Slovakia), so dismissing it completely is not a good idea. And calling the MIT, University of Oxford and University of Cambridge (among others) "obscure sources" is not a good idea either.

Actually if this conforms you I haven't written many positive things about Hungary or the US either, despite the fact that I've spent some time in both countries. This may sound a bit harsh but the reason I rarely say positive things about Slovakia is because there are very few occasions when something positive can be said about it at all. And it has nothing to do with ethnicity - the Hungarians of Slovakia are just as annoying (to say the least) as the Slovaks (or the Gypsies, which are annoying in an entirely different way). And I think that noticing the problems and talking about them is the very first step in the process of recovery, since ignoring them doesn't change anything.

Where did I say anything about beatings/beating of Hungarians at Slovak school? It was only Slota who started all this nonsense about his grandfather being beaten with a ferule for failing to recite the God's Prayer in Hungarian, but feel free to point it out if I said something similar.

The topic ban is really something you should discuss with the admin who gave it to you I'd say. I can't do anything about it and neither can any other admins (except to enforce it), because AFAIK they aren't allowed to overturn another admin's decision (only ArbCom is allowed to do that). -- CoolKoon (talk) 21:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Samofi and Omen: your topic bans include discussion of these ethnic topics on talk pages, including your own talk page and mine. A brief notice to me about a perceived need of administrative investigation of something might have been okay, but why are you again engaging in your topic squabbles here? CoolKoon: in reverse, please do not provoke these editors by engaging them in debates in topics they should not in fact be discussing at all. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Now this might sound cynical, but I'm really trying my best NOT to lure them into discussing topics they've been banned from. The reason I've started the discussion was in fact the mention of my nick on Omen1229's talk page and I've tried to concentrate on Omen1229's and Samofi's editing style/attitude ever since (instead of pursuing Hungarian-Slovak history topics which they're supposed to be banned from discussing). I can't say it's easy (because it's obviously the disagreement over HU-SK topics which led to the topic ban in the first place), but I'm really trying. Honest. -- CoolKoon (talk) 21:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Fut.Perf.: Thank you for fast reaction about my violation of topic ban. I will more careful. So I will point very short now. You told I should edit different topic as my opponent Fakirbakir. You told you will keep your eyes on him. I changed topics but he is wikistalking me at article Pannonian steppe which I created: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pannonian_steppe&action=history and ruined my work. There was merger proposal about merging with Puszta from february and nobody reacted. Similar in the article about Carpathian highwaymen together with Koertefa http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bety%C3%A1rs&action=history . He use negative POVs in the article about Slovas. From Kamuszela who is problematic author from whom are Polish academical distanced and also this "The modern Slovak nation is the result of radical processes of modernization within the Habsburg Empire in the 19th century. The Slovak historical developments correspond to Gellner's theory of nationalism (It states that modern nations are products of nationalism rather than the other way round). This is contrary to the Slovak myth, which traces the beginnings of the Slovak nation back to the 9th century or even earlier.": http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slovaks&diff=484520963&oldid=484516775 He made here strong POV and synthesis. Sourceses told "proces which finished in 19th century" not that Slovaks are from 19th century.. He also called me nationalist and told that Slovakia is neo-fascist state (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASlovakization&action=historysubmit&diff=366380475&oldid=364719731 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Principality_of_Hungary&diff=prev&oldid=447867205 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RHaworth/2011_Sep_06&diff=prev&oldid=447866999). How is it possible this kind of behavior without sanctions and he can edit Slovak related articles? Is he neutral? --Samofi (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Fut.Perf.: Fakirbakir is all the time stalking me. Is he obsessed by me? He again reacts to me outside of his usual topics: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_English_words_of_Hungarian_origin&action=history Is this normal? Will you ignore this? --Samofi (talk) 18:40, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Huh? Fakirbakir was obviously editing that article before you did, and it is certainly more within the scope of his "usual" topics than of yours, so who has been following whom here, I wonder? Also, I repeat: please stop engaging in debates about the topics you are topic-banned from, as you just did again, two paragraphs above this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Huh? Was he active at Pannonian steppe, Puszta, Betyars and Talk page of list of word before me? Pls links. You point only to my mistakes - I agree that he edited list of words before me, I did not notice. I only inserted cn tags and continued at talk page, so I checked only history of talkpage. He completely changed Puszta and Pannonian steppes without discussion. In that articles were about one month the merger proposals. If foolish bliss, this page would be full of flowers. --Samofi (talk) 05:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Again and again in violation of topic ban : [10]--Nmate (talk) 10:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The building picture I submitted will not be used after all

I already removed it from the KCPT page, realizing that taking a photo of the building myself would be better than using someone else's photos whether it is considered fair use or not. Plus, that photo was of the backside of the building and not the front (a view of the front would be better). Therefore, feel free to remove that photo from this site. It will not be used. --CastleBuff

Replaceable fair use File:Victoria-Baranova-rider.jpg

Well I'm not an advance editor of Wikipedia, here is my original correspondence with Mr Benjamin,of Pedalmag- the supposed author of the work, who gave his consent.

I would like to inquire that is it possible that I can use/upload/edit Victoria Baranova (Rus) Luis Barbosa (UCI Track World Cup Cali Day 2 Results & Photos UPDATED) for an article in Wikipedia?

I would appreciate if you answer me soon.

Thanks

[...] Benjamin Sadavoy [...] Apr 2 (3 days ago)

to me:

Approved...

Please do as Wikipedia standards are, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KATURQUOTE (talk • contribs) 19:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for making this effort at getting the permission for this photo. Unfortunately, in this form, the license statement he gave you isn't complete enough to count as a fully free license. We'd need a statement that explicitly permits free re-use not only on Wikipedia but also elsewhere and for any other purpose. In the absence of such a statement we can only treat it as a non-free photo, in which case it fails the "irreplaceability" criterion, so I'm afraid we won't be able to use it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Released to the public domain by Greek Wikipedia

It says that you understand Greek. Could you check File:PanosKammenos.jpg and correct the licence template? I don't think that Greek Wikipedia ever was the copyright holder of that file. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Image upload

Can you pls explain why you've deleted "Official parliamentary headshot of Andrew Leigh MP.jpg"? Andrewleigh (talk) 00:33, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

It was uploaded with a reference to the copyright statements at [11], and claimed to be under the {{cc-by}} license. However, the license described on that source page is not cc-by, but cc-by-nc-nd (noncommercial only, no derivatives), which unfortunately doesn't count as a fully free license for our purposes. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone named Robman180 persistently vandalizes pages by uploading irrelevant and fanmade posters, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dark_knight_rises_poster.jpg. Also can you please remove the history of the image? Thanks. Fanaction2031 (talk) 03:01, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Before I take action against this user, I'd like to see a bit of documentation showing all these uploads really were fan-made or otherwise unauthentic. Do you know where he got them from? Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I do not know where the image came from, but what I do know, most of the image came from this: http://cdn.batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/pg_32p.jpg which clearly shows that this is a fanmade poster. Fanaction2031 (talk) 05:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Question about transcription

Hello FPS. I want to ask you something about the phonetic transcription. Is there any standardization regarding the way of phonetic transcription of the languages on Wikipedia? To be more precise, I will illustrate this example:

кога [ˈkɔga] ('when')

So, do I need to use the phonetic transcription or the romanization of the Macedonian? Do I put English translation in brackets and do I use italics for the Cyrillic letters? I know how to do all these things academically, but I was wondering if Wikipedia has established some principles regarding this. I am writing the Macedonian grammar article and I need this stuff. User Taivo reverted all grammar section in Macedonian language just because of the phonetic symbols. Best--MacedonianBoy (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure we have standardized much of this, but I'd listen to Taivo, because he edits linguistic stuff about languages with non-Latin scripts quite a lot. As far as I'm concerned, I would consider if it wouldn't be preferable to cite such examples straight in Latin transliteration, since that seems to be fairly common in Slavic/Cyrillic contexts, and there is a fairly ransparent, easy-to-read standard transliteration method available for Macedonian. Since that transliteration is so straightforward and pretty close to a phonemic transcription anyway, one could then do away both with the Cyrillic and with the IPA completely, except where you'd want to add IPA for discussions of dialectal pronunciation details and stuff like that. So, I might go for "koga ('when')"

If you do include Cyrillic, it should not be italicized (that's something we do have a rule for, if I remember correctly). Latin transliterations, in contrast, of course ought to be in italics. For the translation, I like the way you did it above, with single quotes and (usually) brackets.

By the way, since we were reverting each other earlier today about that mapping of alphabetic letters to phonemes, there's something about that three-way mappinɡ between /l, ɫ, l'/ and 〈л,љ〉 in the Friedman online grammar chapter cited in the external links, which seems to agree with the way it was presented before you edited it, as cited to Lunt. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I would use the form "Cyrillic + romanization + translation in brackets". Taivo said phonetically, but since it is a table, I would go with romanization instead. About the sounds, yes there are sources and it really exists (different pronunciation of the letter љ and л). I wanted to simplify the table because the differences in pronunciation of the letters/sounds are elaborated in the article Macedonian phonology. However, if you think that we need to include all three sounds (l, ʎ and lʲ) then we can do it. Its not a huge problem for me. Best--MacedonianBoy (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Ups, I forgot this. When I use the romanization, do I put the romanization in brackets along with the translation? Like in: Јас сум прочитал. (Jas sum pročital., 'I have read.'). Or is there any other Wikipedia guideline regarding this? --MacedonianBoy (talk) 18:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

For Japanese, there is a fairly standard system due to the existence of a template: {{nihongo|English|Japanese|Transcription}} produces English (Japanese, Transcription) and {{nihongo| |Japanese|Transcription}} produces Transcription (Japanese). Wouldn't the same output syntax be applicable to other languages too? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:41, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sure one could do it that way in many situations. But I'm not really certain there's that much of a pressing need for standardization anyway. I'd like to retain the flexibility of choosing which of the various components (non-Latin orthography, transliteration, phonetics, English gloss) I want and in which order, and the decision may well be quite different for different languages and different situations (e.g. is the original orthography recoverable from the Latin transcription; how close is the transcription to the phonetics; etc.) For instance, the template you mentioned seems to be geared to situations where you'd want the English translation first, but in the grammar pages we were discussing, that would typically go last. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

You are better than I thought

But tell me why are you deleting files without notification!--Skashifakram (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Simple speedy deletion for reasons of copyright violation can be done without notification. You had enough notifications on your talk page to know that something was wrong with your uploads. You should have known that if you upload an image without even giving others any indication of why and under what kind of license it might be legitimate, it would be deleted. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

but you deleted images altogether,without speedy deletion tag.

Yes, that's why they are called "speedy" deletions. Tags such as {{db-f7}} exist for non-admins to alert an admin to a case and request deletion from them; if I as an admin see such a file, I can simply delete it right away. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:46, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Teletype Corporation advertisement for the Model 28 Line of Equipment.jpg

On 9 April, you wrote:

Claimed to be public domain with a reasoning based on the fact that the trademark representing the company is no longer trademark-protected. However, since copyright and trademark are entirely different things, this is hardly a valid argument for PD. Might conceivably be PD for some other reason (non-renewal etc.). Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

As noted by me on 9 April, the document does carry a trademark but does not carry a corpright. As I've also noted, The US Patent and Trademark Office records state "This registration was not renewed and therefore expired." This status change happened on December 15, 2000. Serial Number: 73157988, Registration Number: 1119161. The last renewal was on May 29, 1979. The trademark was transferred to AT&T on July 12, 1985 and they never renewed it.

Yet, I do not see the discussion closed. How do I escalate this issue within Wikepedia to get resolution? Wa3frp (talk) 14:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

There's no need to do anything else right now. The discussion on WP:PUF will be closed in due time by another admin. With your statement there about the lack of a copyright notice on the publication itself you've provided a serious argument that may well mean we can keep the file. I think it's a lot more compelling than what you previously said about the trademarks. I'll have to check again about the rules (these copyright renewal and registration rules for US publications are notoriously messy), but if I find it all adds up, I may well retract the deletion proposal – Give me a day or two, okay? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

S. Niemietz

How to proceed on Sara Niemietz?

WP:COI Close relationships may apply in the case of... Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral, but it may incline you towards some bias. Be guided by the advice of other editors.

I have been using Sandra Bullock and Whitney Houston bios as a guide and using some of the newer templates such as UPC, YouTube and IMDb -- perhaps these should be on stub pages.

WP:PEACOCK does include the word "notable" and the word does appear at least twice in my edits. In my defense, "Notability" is one of the reasons that the article was put up for deletion. Again, in some cases the photo-art (I was in the process of uploading) may tell parts of this story better than using the Quotation template and I had time set aside for these edits.

I thought it was fairly clear from the article's Talk page that I had volunteered to clean up this article. My benefit from this project is and always was to learn the Wikipedia scripting interface. 009o9 (talk) 20:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The One Where Rachel Smokes.jpg

Thank you for the notification. I believe I have addressed NFCC#8, do I have to wait for someone to double check this or should I remove the template? -- Lemonade51 (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Fair use rationale format

Hey... the image File:Sanjeev kumar-3-650x700-2008-12-12.jpg that you tagged for deletion is of a deceased Bollywood actor. Where can i find the format for the fair-use rationale of deceased people? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 17:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for asking. There isn't any fixed prescribed format. You just need to explain in a bit more detail, in your own words, why you think this image fits our criteria. Please consider especially if there might not be free alternatives – old movies where the movie itself has fallen into the public domain; photographs published in the US without copyright notices, that sort of thing. Just explain how you have explored such alternatives and why you feel there are no such alternatives to be found. You should also give a bit more information about the original source. This pic doesn't actually look like a "portrait", more like a screenshot from a movie, so where is it from? Some particularly well-known role of his? Incidentally, I'd also recommend exchanging {{Non-free historic image}} with {{Non-free biog-pic}}, which fits this situation better. It's not really a "unique historic photograph", is it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Undid Wanga tribe (Luhya)

Ok, firstly I would like to query when you visited Kenya and/or how you are such an expert on the Wanga Kingdom? Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia for the purposes of generating information for public knowledge. As a Wanga I take great exception to your high-handedness in unilaterlally deleting information that I compiled from openly available public material and for purposes of public knowledge especially for the thousands of young Wanga children who do not have a simple, compiled and generally accurate knowledge of their history. If you dont have a history or culture then don't disrespect the history and culture of others.

Your attitude is unacceptable for a collaborative project; you'll need to change it or you'll soon find yourself blocked from editing. To determine whether material is suitable for Wikipedia, it is entirely irrelevant whether I know Kenya, or whether you are a Wanga yourself, and making snide insinuations about me "not having a history or culture" is rather uncalled-for too. You are very welcome to continue contributing to your favourite topic, but your contributions need to stick to this project's content standards. Information needs to be properly sourced to reliable sources; text must be neutral and encyclopedic in tone; text must not be copy-pasted verbatim from other sources so as to not violate copyrights; images must be properly sourced and freely licensed. Your work so far unfortunately failed on all these counts. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:PEACOCK language

But Choky Ice is an award-winning performer. How is that "puffery" or considered bias? It's not like I said he was legendary or something along those lines.--LowKey08 (talk) 08:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Mercedes-Benz M-Class (W163)

I disagree with your consensus and feel you did not really study any differences between both the prototype design and the actual manufactured production vehicle. There are clearly visual differences between the clay model from 3 years prior to production and the 1998-2001 models. Obviously there are all-red taillights, much shorter lower body cladding in black plastic on the sides of the mock W163. A design element which never showed up on the 1998-1999 ML320 that had the two-tone design in lower grey plastic cladding nor the full body-coloring of the 1999-2001 ML430 and 2000-2001 ML320. The grille is also different as there are 5 bars in it versus the 3 bars on the production models in 1997 and the 1998 ML430. Most importantly, it's a clay model. Not an actual motor vehicle, but the source of its design which is pivotal to its existence as to why I included it.Carmaker1 (talk) 08:31, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You might have a case for including the images if there were reliable sources discussing these differences and the further development of the design between these prototypes and the final release, and if there was some discussion based on these sources in the article. Without discussion in the article, the images are worthless, and without sources, the discussion would be WP:OR. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)