Talk:Lech, Czech, and Rus

Old talk

Can we stop moving the article? Just leave the second comma in, I know it's wrong but some people won't listen.

Where do the South Slavs come from then?Cameron Nedland 20:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Somebody merged two Polish legends together! 1. One legend is about three brothers Lech, Czech and Rus. They split into three sides of the world and moved on. There is actually archeologic evidence from spread of Pomeranian culture (which is foundation of autochtonic theory) into East, West and South of Europe over Lusatian and Milograd cultures. I never read in my entire life a Polish book claiming that any of these brothers was supposedly moving north and I read lot's of Polish books in my life. 2. Second legend is about founding city of Gniezno, which was found in Poland by small party of Poliany tribe from Kiev, which followed a White Eagle into the Poland and settled down there, where the White Eagle settled down. Polish Poliany tribe united Slavic tribes of Poland and found Polish Principality. 3. Poland was never referred in documents as Lechia, when it wasn't known as Poland, which is something that actually happened much later in Polish history. Poland was known as Slovians'c'yzna or Gniezno Principality. 4. In my personal opinion Lechia was coined in the Eastern Europe and in the Asia, when Poland started spreading its territory to the East and that didn't happen until XIV century. - Pan Piotr Glownia 11:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up.Cameron Nedland 01:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Archeological Confirmation?

Recent archeology appears to confirm the mythic foundations of the Slavs

The earliest evidence of "modern man" in Europe some 45,000 years ago was located south of the Don River in Russia

From this point -- apparently all of Europe was populated by the decedents of the mythic 3 brothers who were hunting and who followed their prey in different directions: North & East -- Rus; North and West -- Lech; South and West -- Czech

see the link:

[http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2146126.ece

Belfast_Telegraph_Article_on_Early_Europeans]

Since they were hunter-gatherers at that point in time and arrived from the East -- perhaps the myth is some "folk memory" {e.g. orally passed down through the 1000's of generations via some ritual} of the process of "modern man's" entry into Europe

--Westhighlander 20:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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Article name

Why it is called like this? It would be bettet to separate all those three personalities as they are not widely know everywhere.--Juan de Vojníkov (talk) 21:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Bohemia

The name Bohemia (Čechy) has at least two slightly different meanings. 1) Bohemia proper (historical land - země), which is the "core" of the country and 2) Bohemia as a country/state as a whole, historically Bohemian Crown (Země Koruny české, Corona regni Bohemiae), now called the Czech Republic (it is now called with a modern -sko suffix - "Česko" in Czech to make a clear difference between these two meanings). The former kingdom became the republic and the traditional English name of the "Bohemian" nation (and language) was changed to "Czech" (probably to sound more Slavic and to distinguish it from German-speaking Bohemians). In this case, the second meaning should be preferred since we are talking about founding of "nations", not historical regions or other country subdivisions. Qertis (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you saying that Praotec Čech founded not only Čechy, but also Moravia and Silesia? — Kpalion^(talk) 18:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

No, Čech is a legendary founder of the Czech (Bohemian) state/nation, which originally (according to historians) encompassed only central Bohemia proper ("land"), later spread to roughly present-day borders of Bohemia proper and later on expanded to other territories (Moravia, Silesia, etc.). These newer acquisitions retained various degrees of autonomy which further varied over time and, while being part of the Bohemian/Czech state (since 14th century known as "Crown"), didn't de-iure become part of Bohemia proper. Qertis (talk) 15:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

spoken word

in the ancient times, the most accurate historical evidence was the spoken word from father to son. in the article in the russian wikipedia "чех, лех и рус", it says that their place of origin was pannonian basin. so, you see. it really is "Behind the carpathians", but from adriatic side.