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The house sparrow (Passer domesticus) is a passerine bird of the sparrow family Passeridae. Originally native to Europe, the Mediterranean Basin and a large part of Asia, it is now found in most parts of the world and is the most widely distributed wild bird. It is closely associated with human habitation and resides in both urban and rural areas. The house sparrow is a small bird with a typical length of 16 cm (6.3 in) and a mass of 24–39.5 g (0.85–1.39 oz). Females and young birds are coloured pale brown and grey, and males have brighter black, white, and brown markings. It is sometimes considered a pest but is also sometimes kept as a pet or used as a food item. This male house sparrow was photographed in Prospect Park, New York City, New York.Photograph credit: Rhododendrites

Here's to you!

I'm glad to have you back! Anderson - What's up? 22:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's good to be back. ~Adjwilley (talk) 22:54, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Time Zone:Re

I'm not in Auckland, That's the city the website uses to display the current time in New Zealand. Anderson - What's up? 23:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I figured as much. ~Adjwilley (talk) 23:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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You are a STAR!

		The Morning Star Award
		For your tireless efforts at WP:LDS and Mormonism articles – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 04:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, Sir Lionel ~Adjwilley (talk) 16:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Ciudad Juárez México Temple

You do realize Deseret News isn't reliable either, as it's an organ of the LDS Church? pbp 04:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. The reliability of a source depends on what it's being used for. If we were using Deseret News to cite a controversial opinion about the LDS Church where editors may have a conflict of interest, then I agree. However when we're using it to cite uncontroversial facts like the date of the temple dedication, the square footage of the temple, the number of rooms, and the fact that this was the 71st operating temple, (as is the case here) then Deseret News is as reliable as any other major newspaper. ~Adjwilley (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

You're using it to establish notability as well, though, which it can't do. Sure, it can cite facts and figures, but it's too associated with the subject to establish notability. pbp 15:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I was responding to your statement about reliability. As for establishing notability, that seems to have been the core of your argument at the recent AfD. If you disagree with the close there you are free to AfD it again, but I don't recommend that since another editor recently added a citation to the El Paso Times that appears to make the argument moot. ~Adjwilley (talk) 17:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Technical pointer

First, thanks for working on Black_people_and_Mormonism. I appreciate both having an explanation of the priesthood in the article. It was also important to put the racism in the context of their times.

Another way to render http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_people_and_Mormonism&diff=510055607&oldid=510053915 is {{diff|Black_people_and_Mormonism|next|510053915|this edit}} which shows up as this edit

Thanks, I had no idea there was a diff template. I'll probably still copy and paste when I'm in a hurry, but this looks really nice. I wonder if it auto-corrects for links that break during page moves. I'll read up on it when I have the time. ~Adjwilley (talk) 18:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for supplying the diff in the first place. It made it easy for folks to see what you were referring to. Only look at diff if you want to. It is documented here --Javaweb (talk) 19:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)Javaweb

Picture removal

OK, but the text is not cited. May be I'll change the text. Fauzan^{talk ✆ email ✉}

What's wrong with the text? It says "Allah means God in English." That doesn't sound controversial enough to need a citation. ~Adjwilley (talk) 05:26, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I confused it with another image, never mind. Fauzan^{talk ✆ email ✉} 05:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi

You reinserted a pararaph about Crimean Karaites here even though that article has no reliable source for it being islamic; why? Pass a Method talk 17:40, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted your edits because you had blanked sourced information without leaving a reason in your edit summary, and because you had created several new very short subsections, some no longer than a sentence. ~Adjwilley (talk) 17:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

You did not answer the question. I asked why you reinserted the unsourced paragraph about Crimean Karaites. Pass a Method talk 18:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Reinserting the paragraph was simply part of the revert. I really don't have any opinion on whether or not that paragraph should be in the article. If you would like it removed, I'd recommend doing so in a single-purpose edit to the article, with an edit summary along the lines of "Removing unsourced paragraph about the Crimean Karaites". That way, if somebody reverts you you can ask them on their talk page why they reinserted an unsourced paragraph, and they'll answer your question. I reverted your edits because you had blanked sourced information and converted a bulleted list into four extremely short (single sentence) subsections, when MOS:LAYOUT says: "Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading; in such circumstances, it may be preferable to use bullet points." ~Adjwilley (talk) 18:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying that its okay to undo 100% of an edit if you disagree with 50% of it? Pass a Method talk 18:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

No. I'm saying that if somebody makes an edit that removes sourced material and restructures the article in a controversial way that goes against Wikipedia's Manual of Style, and does all this with no other explanation than a vague edit summary of "headings", it's ok to hit the revert button. ~Adjwilley (talk) 19:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

But couldn't this mean that you're potentially undoing uncontroversial intermediate edits as well? Pass a Method talk 19:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes. That's where the edit summaries come in handy. ~Adjwilley (talk) 19:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

So you know WP:RV states if only part of an edit is problematic then consider modifying only that part instead of reverting the whole edit. A partial revert would apply there. Pass a Method talk 20:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the guideline, and I do try to make partial reverts when possible. Looking at the diff of your edit, though, it's not immediately clear which parts are problematic and which parts aren't. Most of what I saw looked problematic, which is why I did a full revert. I understand you probably don't agree with me on this point, but that's ok. We can agree to disagree, and you can make another edit to the article removing the unsourced bullet point. ~Adjwilley (talk) 02:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I blanked the ahmadiyya sentences because it was going off-topic, mostly going into how they are considered heretical. I blanked the Twelver sentences because it was giving undue weight to Twelvers over oher sub-branches. Which of the two blanks do u disagree with? I dont feel strongly about the NOI or Yazidi blanks though and am willing to compromise on those. Pass a Method talk 06:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Blanking the Twelver sentence is fine by me. I don't like the Ahmadiyya blanking because the "finality of prophethood" is a big deal in Islam, and their departure from that is notable. The other two blanks, I don't really like, because it leaves those small branches as single links in the list. The descriptions there are helpful, especially for somebody who wants a one-sentence summary without having to click on the link to find it. Nation of Islam could mean anything, so it helps to explain on the page that it's a small black NRM founded recently in Detroit. (I realize the short explanations are not currently cited, but the information is fairly non-controversial and I'm sure citations could easily be found.)

Really, though, this discussion should be happening on the article talk page. Why don't you go make two new edits to the article...blank the Twelver sentence in the first edit, then blank whatever else you want to in the second edit. Then see if somebody cares enough to revert. If that happens, then you can start a discussion on the talk page to explain why the sentences/paragraphs should go. ~Adjwilley (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Adjwilley, it's not a guideline; it's an essay. And if you don't already, you might want to know that Pass a Method has been making changes to that essay. No doubt to fit his personal beliefs about what should be done in the case of reverts. I reverted his heading mess.

And, Pass a Method, it is not up to anyone to sort out which of your edits are good. You shouldn't be making unconstructive edits in the first place. 109.123.82.246 (talk) 07:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, 109, for pointing that out. I had actually noticed Pass a Method's edits to WP:Reverting, but I wasn't going to say anything since he seems to have quoted it to me before making the changes. (If he had made the changes and then quoted the changed version I may have been annoyed.) ~Adjwilley (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Regarding finality of prophethood, thats controversial; because many Ahmadiyyas merely see Mirza as a mahdi, not a new prophet. There are also subsects within Ahmadiyya, hence again making the statement incorrect. What do you think about modifying the sentence along the lines of "many orthodox Muslims see Ahmadiyya as heretic." Another problem is that the paragraph devotes undue weight to how heretical they are. It also makes a sweeping claim "most muslims believe they are heretical". I know many mainstream scholars who don't. Pass a Method talk 20:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea! ~Adjwilley (talk) 20:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

TY

Thank you for showing common sense and the ability to read, but I'm trying very hard not to create a Streisand effect, and your comment was too blunt. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 00:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'll be sending you a private email shortly. ~Adjwilley (talk) 00:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I'll likely be blocked now because of gross incompetence on the part of many, many people. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 00:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)