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CordeliaNaismith (talk) 17:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Kayastha and Kulin Kayastha

Hi, please will you review our policies regarding verifiability and reliable sources before adding any more content to Kayastha, Kulin Kayastha or indeed any other article. These are fundamental policies and need to be followed.

Furthermore, your recently created article, Kulin Kayastha, is primarily an unattributed copy/paste of the Kayastha article. This is a breach of our licensing terms. It would be appreciated if you could correct this, which would most likely involve you removing all of the relevant content and then reinstating it with a note in the edit summary explaining from where it is copied etc. I also would query whether, based on current content, the community even exists - a read of notability might be useful for future reference. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 15:24, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Kulin Kayasthas

Hello Madam, A few clarifications-Kulin Kayasthas do exist. the rules as to their social interaction, taking food, marrying etc. although arent followed as strictly any more as is the case with all other Indian castes and communities. Further, as regards copying from the Kayastha page is concerned, since most of the historical background for both the topics is same, thus the references are the same as have been given there. The Kulin Kayasthas are just a sub-division of the Kayastha community, and are found only amongst the Hindu Bengalis. The kulina system is a unique system prevalent only in the Bengali Brahmins and Kayasthas. Nothing here is copied from any particular book or article, due to my keen interest in the subject, i have been gathering a lot of knowledge in these subjects for very long, primarily from first hand interaction with a lot of people concerned with these matters in their daily chores such as village priests and elders of those areas as there isn't a lot of documented record to be found on this system particularly amongst the Kayasthas of bengalis, some parts of it have been taken from some articles on a website by the name of ambedkar.org. Yet I haven't as yet read your policy terms, I shall go through them once, before editing editing any article any further or even adding a new one. Your message has significantly discouraged me from venturing any further with editing work on wikipedia. Best Regards Rudro Chatterjee (Ruderow (talk) 15:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC))

Well, I am sorry if you are discouraged as that was not my intent. We do, however, have rules and guidelines, and they do need to be followed. I note that you are or were a student of law, and so it surprises me that you have also inserted numerous WP:Copyright violations in Kulin Kayasthas. These are a major problem and I am removing them all: we cannot expose Wikipedia to the risk of legal action, sorry.

Please do read up on some of the rules etc, and don't be discouraged. - Sitush (talk) 16:14, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I have "fixed" the article a fair bit. Why not take a look at it? It may give you some idea of how things need to be done. There is plenty of room for additional info (the marriage system springs to mind) and for improvements to the info already there, provided always that it is done in a way that complies with policy etc. Feel free to ask any questions and, again, please do not be discouraged. - Sitush (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say that you've put in very little research before 'fixing' this. The book you have cited isn't a very reliable one, simply because it is one of those mission books related some particular sect which often carry biased views. I read that you are computer science student and have been actively editing/adding politics related articles, I also saw that you've earned awards from wikiproject India. yet I strongly doubt your anthropological inclinations, particularly, knowledge on Indian castes and communities. Your source might specifically, say shudra, but such specific citation doesnt carry any corroborative citation. Please be careful next time, you might mean offence to some people unknowingly. There are a lot of other books you might refer to, if you want I can help you with the links of the e-books. I am for most parts a technophobic, and the complex reference citing system for wiki articles has served as hindrance for me to edit articles, and that was precisely the reason why I took a lot of the original article from the "Kayastha" article, and more so because I hadn't read the pertinent rules as per the policy of eikipedia. (Ruderow (talk) 07:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC))

Sorry, but please do not believe everything you read, here or elsewhere. You know nothing about me, despite what you might think - in fact, you are way the mark. If you have got your information from my own user page then I am afraid that you have misinterpreted it in quite a big way.

It was not my intention to edit the article at all, except it was obvious that things were badly awry. It needed some valid content otherwise it would have run the risk of being deleted. I am aware that the book is not perfect as a source. I have also explained that I can (& will) provide numerous other sources for the point. Wikipedia is not censored - if I follow the policies etc then that is usually good enough to make the contribution valid, even if some people may be upset. We cannot please all of the people all of the time, nor indeed is it our role to please anyone: our role is to present the information to the best of our ability, using reliable sources etc. If there are two or more reliably sourced points of view then we show them all.

Feel free to list what you've got in the way of sources & I'll help you with the citations etc, no problem. You'll soon pick things up, I am sure. - Sitush (talk) 08:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ghaziabad, Uttar Pradesh

Removing comments from talk pages is considered bad practice. It is a record of a discussion. Jim1138 (talk) 08:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Ghaziabad, Uttar Pradesh, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Sitush (talk) 08:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources, as you did to Kulin Kayastha. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Sitush (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

There are several discussions at Talk:Kulin Kayastha regarding use of legal documents as sources etc. Many involved IP editors but I am sure that I have mentioned this issue to you at some point in the past. In any event, please could you review those discussions before introducing such sources again. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted you again. Now, please discuss on the article talk page, and note that a discussion involves more than one person. - Sitush (talk) 10:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Kulin Kayastha. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Sitush (talk) 10:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Caste sanctions

I feel it necessary to point out that Kulin Kayastha is subject to general sanctions and you really do need to take care when you contribute to it. Please read the formal explanation below. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:49, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The Wikipedia community has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on any editor who is active on any page about social groups, explicitly including caste associations and political parties, related to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The discussion leading to the imposition of these sanctions can be read here. Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:General sanctions.

You have been blocked from editing for a period of a day for edit warring, as you did at Kulin Kayastha. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:15, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Furthermore, as you were warned of the extant discretionary sanctions, authorised by the community, but chose to persist in editing disruptively, you are hereby banned from making any edits relating to the Kayastha caste across all namespaces (i.e. everywhere on Wikipedia) for a period of three months. Please note that this restriction applies to you as an individual and not merely to this account. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of a week for violating your topic ban with this edit. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 11:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Ruderow (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I had violated my topic ban unknowingly. I thought I would be automatically blocked from editing the articles related to the topic for which I'd been banned, but now I realise that it isn't so and I myself have to refrain from making any edits, else there'd be punitive action such as this. Further, I have been asked by the administrator who has blocked me to opt for a certain dispute resolution method to resolve the ongoing dispute following which my topic ban shall also be revoked

Decline reason:

There is no way you could mistake the warnings, and sanctions you were provided with. You were advised to directly refrain. You have violated this, and indeed, as there is a sanctions warning above, this block is valid in face, and is not likely removable by any individual admin (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Ruderow, Salvio asked you to nominate your preferred dispute resolution method here first. He will see it. In fact, I'll make sure that he sees it. After that is done, Salvio can determine what to do, although I think he is referring to relaxing your topic ban rather than unblocking you straight away. That is, when you block is over you will be able to pursue your chosen resolution method but probably not engage in discussions or contributions elsewhere in relation to Kayasthas. - Sitush (talk) 16:03, 25 June 2012

Salvio, I think third opinion wouldn't be the appropriate dispute resolution mechanism in our case, as their are more than just two editors involved.Two others, one Pal Subhojit and another Calcuttan also seem to share the same concerns as me. Therefore, I think, discussing it on an appropriate noticeboard should be the best idea. Sitush, you seem to wield considerable influence over Salvio. Im sure you'll make sure that he reads whatever you want him to read. So, as you've promised, kindly make sure that he reads this stuff here and is informed of the option that I've chosen. Thanks,-Ruderow

Ok, Ruderow, I am about to unblock you. Please understand that your topic ban is still in place; you may make edits relating to this caste solely on the noticeboard page and only for the purpose of solving this dispute. If, in the meantime, you make any edits relating to the Kayastha caste elsewhere you will be reblocked immediately. Moreover, as soon as the thread you are going to start is closed or archived or otherwise resolved, this exception to your topic ban will cease to apply. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 16:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ruderow, please could you drop me a note if/when you initiate the discussion? I'll stick something on the article talk page that refers to it (neutrally phrased, I promise). I'll most likely not be around much over the weekend but I am assuming that "appropriate noticeboard" means WP:DRN and in that case my absence for a few days will not matter: the process is likely to last at least a week. - Sitush (talk) 00:35, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Kulin Kayastha

Thanks for your effort in stating facts regarding the origin of Kulin Kayasthas. Please check my contribution on the Kulin Kayastha Talk Page titled 'Resolution of Dispute through Discussions - Kind Attention Administrators'. Calcuttan (talk) 06:43, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Blocked for sockpuppetry

Reaper Eternal I cannot make the formal unblock request right now, but yes, consider this an informal one. I can assure you that I operate only one account on Wikipedia, which is this, I do not have any other account whatsoever. I do not even happen to know Calcuttan or the other fellow who has been blocked as well. Your conclusions are based on premature assumptions and are grossly erroneous. Do consider unblocking me once, so that I can defend my side in the ongoing SPI investigation, Id also request you at the same time to consider unblocking the other two fellows. Just because we agree on some point does not mean we are the same person, that's a really funny conclusion to draw. If tallying and comparing IP addresses have any evidential value, do see the IP addresses as well. As for contributions, compare the contributions, I contribute on varied subjects, which include articles on a number of North Indian cities, other Hindu castes and sects etc. I am also very keen on answering Sitush back on the recently started thread on the article's talk page. --Ruderow (talk) 09:51, 25 September 2012 (UTC)