Talk:The Night Watch

King Crimson

I don't believe for a moment that the paragraph on the progressive rock group King Crimson is of the slightest interest to anyone looking for information on this great work. I've deleted it. Palefire 01:07, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

I am unfamiliar with the King Crimson reference (and am now intrigued), but the progressive rock group Ayreon has a song from the view point of one individual possing for The Night Watch. You may review the lyrics at on the Ayreon website [1]. --RedKnight 20:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I added KC song title Night Watch into cultural references because the song clearly is about the painting. The lyrics of the entire song are about the subject matter of the painting, and the concluding verses discuss how men of the upper classes try to communicate to the masses through "the painter's brush".(Anon Oct 4 2012) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.175.135.49 (talk) 00:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Popular reception

Changed this heading from 'myths' because I believe it more accurate. The external link which yields this information does not claim that the misconception began with the advertisement, merely that it continued and contributed to it. JNW 23:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Simon Schama in The Power of Art claims at least one patron *was* dissatisfied with the painting and refused to pay, and R had to submit his "grievance" to a court of his peers in an arbitration which he found embarrassing. He names the patron as well as the source for this story, which he says is one of R's students, whom again he names. I don't have the name of either patron or student in front of me, but this seems like at least some support for the belief that the work rankled some people. Someone with more expertise than I should either discredit Schama with new information and sources, or at least offer his version as an alternative. It appears the issue is far from settled, unless as I said Schama can be conclusively debunked.

67.180.44.133 (talk) 00:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

comment on trivia item

First trivia item states: "Rembrandt cleverly included himself in the painting. In the background, slightly above and to the left of the Captain's head, all that is visible of him is an eye, a nose, part of a forehead, and his painter's beret." Agreed that trivia does not belong; though artist's self depiction in famous painting might fit in narrative and not be considered trivia. However, no citation is provided and the curatorial materials at the Rijksmuseum note that *some believe* this figure to be a self portrait, but experts are not in agreement about it. 68.20.20.179 (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2007 (UTC)dmittleman

Chiaroscuro

IS this painting an example of Chiaroscuro? if not, why not? if it is, should it be mentioned? ---Uwaisis (talk) 16:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

- No, this is not an example of chiaroscuro, it is however, an example of tenebrism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.242.58 (talk) 19:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Tenebrism is a type of chiaroscuro with heightened contrast between light and shadow as you can learn from the relevant Wikipedia article. --Georgius (talk) 10:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Name

Should be The Night Watch, as it is normally so called, and this is not a standard title. Johnbod (talk) 22:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

What about "Captain Banning Cocq's Sortie of the Civic Guard". I've seen it referred to as that in online galleries and art books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.203.144.131 (talk) 18:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it to The Night Watch (painting). -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 20:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Fixing the Trivia Section

I have changed "Trivia" to "Other Representations" which might not be accurate, but at least we don't have a "Trivia" section any longer. Of course, this meant I had to delete a little factoid about Rembrandt having painted himself "very cleverly" over the captain's left shoulder, but I don't think the article is the worse for wear missing something akin to an urban legend. Jaloka (talk) 14:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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Considering Peter Greenaway's amazing reconstruction [2] of the historical context of the painting, this wiki entry may be insufficient to convey its greatness. In fact, even the Dutch National Museum's attempts are quite deceiving in this respect as they are commenting this very painting with "Rembrandt often sacrificed accuracy for liveliness"! A disgrace, which Wikipedia authors and art admirers should try to repair.

Certainly one noticeable aspect of the painting is not one but the "many trivias" or call them "puzzles", which Greenaway arranged together to a very compelling theory.

Just to make some citation of his movie: please take notice how the "devilish black" de Coq is holding a "pointing" right hand glove in his own right hand... while it is his left hand that is naked... And now, 3 years before this painting, Rembrandt paints this other work [3]: Please notice the glove on the ground...

Can all these puzzles really be coincidences? It would be an unfair depiction of the baroque culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.211.168.51 (talk) 10:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

"The dead chicken is also meant to represent a defeated adversary. " The symbol of France is the cockerel. Catholic France in 1642 was still deeply embroiled in the Thirty Years' War. Holland was a bastion of Protestantism.--Wetman (talk) 01:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

hey, it also proves how they're totally gay: just look at that one guy pointing at the other dude's crotch. shall we please leave all the crazy conspiracy-talk to the mona lisa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.127.246.170 (talk) 23:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The Night Watch (painting) → The Night Watch – Primary topic. JackofOZ moved the page from Night Watch (painting) to The Night Watch (painting) in April. Page views: 43.2K 12.8K (there's a 7.2K outlier here) 3.5K. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 22:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose it should be redirected to the disambiguation page Night Watch which features several "The"s. -- 70.50.149.56 (talk) 05:41, 9 October 2012 (UTC)