User talk:Boing! said Zebedee

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Treats and Reformation today

'tis the season

Sharing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Ooh, thanks :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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You joined the Category:Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian, which is being discussed at its entry at Categories nominated for deletion.

You may wish to join the category Category:Wikipedians working towards even enforcement of civility.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Misuse of Admin Powers to ban me repeateadly

• User talk:Sitush/Archive 5 Section Baid
  

In the above diff ....here's a quote below from Sitush vis a vis whom you are practicing uneven enforcement of civility against me
.Quoting Sitush: None of these sources, including those that I actually inserted, are ones that I would normally choose to use but I was hoping that it might kickstart something, and so it seemed like an idea deliberately to leave a couple out that User:Intothefire could find.

• Now Lets look at this discussion on my talk page where you actively participate with Sitush regarding the same article -Baid , and compliment him
• Now lets look at the page history of article Baid and your own contributions along with Sitush
• See my edits ....Yours Sitush

The above is an example of the cynical collaboration you have been indulging in repeatedly with Sitush ...Sitush by his own admission is baiting me , you are complimenting him ....Its only one example I could provide more .

• Yet you say to me here again in your latest block on me You have been blocked temporarily from editing for repeatedly making bad faith attacks against another editor, Sitush, after having been warned and blocked for exactly the same thing before you block me because I provide 10 diffs of Sitush deleting my edits ...although you wouldent find my delets of Sitush's contributions . Apparently You don't find repeated deletions of a co editor uncivil ?
  

Your unflinching support to Sitush as a friend is noble , but your repeated practicing uneven enforcement of civility is gross . Several editors have been lost in such designing . As to your using the phrase Constant snide bitching in your remark after banning me .....the repeated snide is in your actions as exhibited above .Intothefire (talk) 17:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Go complain at WP:ANI then. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Boing! said Zebedee - Having gone through Sitush's talk page today ,I see things and specially your motivations in a completely new perspective , I really have no more desire to conflict with Sitush anymore .I really dont know how this will pan out for my further engagement with wikipedia . Although there is much in your and related editors actions that I have grim issues with , there is a term Dharamsankat in Sanskrit which comes closest to the choice of path I would need to take - do reflect on the partisan role and impact of your actions these past months , where other editors have left or been banned/blocked.Intothefire (talk) 03:29, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure we would disagree about the benefit of those retirements/blocks/bans, but for me every departure of a nationalist/POV-pusher/caste-warrior who refuses to adhere to Wikipedia's reliable source policy is a good thing. I must also stress that I do not support Sitush as a friend, as I only know him through Wikipedia - I support him as one of the editors who have done enormous amounts of good work in turning many articles relating to Indian castes from embarrassingly bad efforts at glorification into things worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. I wish you well in whichever path you choose. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I wish you well in whichever path you choose as well . But I am in disagreement with your practicing uneven enforcement of civility or standards against me . An uneven unrestrained protection cover provided by an admin to any editor is tantamount to extending admin powers by default to an editor .So the burden of responsibility is the admins . When this happens anything goes thereon . Rude comments ,(calling an editor incompetent) labels (nationalist POV pushing) , duplicity in using sources (oppose a source here promote it elsewhere) , games(baiting) , belligerent deletions (repeatedly even where there are valid citations or talk pages) , typecasting editors . The result is a licence to exercise duplicity in actions , needle editors till they can be banned or retire . Because an editor is working alone and a another is working in conjunction with an umbrella protection from an admin . Every single charge I put here I will back with diffs . It is certainly not advisable to puff up any article , but it is equally reprehensible to lacerate topics using double standards on citations . Use a logic here , then turn it on its head there . Exercise extreme scrutiny here but extreme oversight there .

Now lets look at these three diffs I repair (not add) a Punjabi spelling on 11th March ,Immediately thereafter in JanetteDoe deletes this without not knowing herself where or what exactly the rule is , she askss/report to you "At Talk:Khattar, borderline PA. I've added the caste warning template. Also, can you find the link to the specfic rfc or policy decision for removing Indic scripts? I've looked but haven't been able to locate a specific link, which would be useful to add to talk pages when the subject comes up" she quips . You go a step further and gladly offer to oblige to ban me .But wait you yourself dont know where the Indic script removal decision is yourself "I'm really not sure where the Indic script removal decision was made, but I'll look for it when I have the time and will let you know if I find it " . Is this civil or uncivil ? an editor deletes my edit ,without knowing the rule , reports to you , you dont know the specific rule yourself and support her . Now lets look at the way the ban on me is imposed on me my edits on this article Khani 100 asks for a protection lock on 22nd july 2011 because he says "Dear Editors, I am requesting semi-protection for this article as in my experience, at various times people (prob belonging to some of the prominent families of this tribe) keep on adding various 'vanity' items to it and changing it, by inserting either unverifiable data or long lists and family trees". I am not the editors he could be refering to because durying this period I have only made 1 edit and and that too only an indic script correction not pertaining to his complaint .I then make an edit in support of Khani on 11th March 2012 , which with Due shining light Janette Doe gets be banned by You . Which exact editor did I attack , you never clarified . As an admin you dident think it necessary to state which editor I attacked since you banned me for ? You support deletion of my edits without knowing the exact rule yourself , you ban me without stating which editor I dident exhibit good faith to...you use uncivil invective for me , wink , support baiting ....surely none of this is civil or good faith far from being even .Intothefire (talk) 19:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Definite description and uniqueness

You wrote "the Asshole..." rather than "the latest asshole", because there are many such insults. The penultimate "asshole" insult was yesterday on his talk page. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

This is a heated argument, and I think both sides need to step back a bit and calm their emotions, and get a bit of perspective on the whole thing. I am not going to support admin action against Herostratus over this incident. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Which incident? The latest or earlier "asshole" incident?

Why not have an administrator leave a note on the talk page, e.g. "Repeatedly calling editors assholes resumes the pattern of incivility and personal attacks for which you have been repeatedly blocked. You will be blocked the next time you insult an editor".... Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

The incident that is currently at ANI! Now stop badgering me please - further badgering will be removed without reply. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:07, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Uninvolved

I am uninvolved in this, I only commented on the ANI thread to say that it was not a block worthy offense, I posted a user notice on Hero's page and justified my comments. I've seen Herostratus around but I have had minimal interaction with him. Maybe you can explain how I am considered involved with this content dispute? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

You already answered on ANI so no need to repost here and I disagree but this will peter out by itself. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'd started so I'll finish... Perhaps I should have said "not disinterested" - I will clarify at ANI. After offering your opinion on one side of a disagreement that has had few contributors over a short time on a quiet Sunday, you are not an appropriate person to be closing is as "Resolved" shortly afterwards. I'm actually on your side on the issue itself, but your closure was not appropriate - please leave it to someone disinterested (and as it is not uncontroversial, that should be a disinterested admin) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Okie dokie thanks for the reply. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Jimbo

Mentioned you at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Seriously.2C_deeply_concerned_.... Pesky's wording is a bit vague but I am pretty sure the civility issue that has affected both of us is a part of their concern. - Sitush (talk) 14:52, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, but I'm very unlikely to be taking part in any further discussions on this. As you know, my understanding is that ArbCom's job is to arbitrate in cases where the community cannot reach an agreement, and not to pro-actively govern the community as they did in this case by abusing a simple request for clarification (over a trivial issue that the community had indeed quickly solved). We have ArbCom elections coming up, so my intention is to wait and see what the community wants the next ArbCom to look like - an arbitration committee to assist the community in cases that the community cannot resolve, or a governing body with arbitrary authoritarian powers to enact anything they see fit. When I have learned which of those options the community wants for the future, I will then decide whether or not I want to be part of that community. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)