User talk:Cowman109

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Second opinion on mediation case

copied: Hello, I recently looked at the case Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-04-22 SkyTran/UniModal uncooperative admin and found it to be an argument that has gone through official channels and appears to be out of Mediation Cabal control. I'd just like your second opinion just in case there's something I'm missing here. Thanks Cowman109^Talk 19:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The official process in question was an article for deletion (AfD) discussion. An AfD discussion can become a heated debate sometimes and may require mediation. There is no reason to reject the case because of the AfD; the AfD is not part of any dispute resolution. --Fasten 06:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The point of mediation is to help people find a consensus when they don't seem to be able to find that without the help of an impartial third party, or only with great difficulties. When the dispute concerns the interpretation of policies (in this case the AfD rules) the mediator can still help people to find agreement where the policies leave enough freedom for debate. Administrators should only enforce policies where policies are largely unambiguous so this may not be a case that can easily be settled by administrators by pointing out official rules. Of course any administrator can mediate the conflict but so can anybody else, including the Mediation Cabal. --Fasten 18:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Latino Article

Hi! Could you keep an eye on the Latino article for vandalism by User Henry Marks?

Cheers!--Burgas00 18:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

He is at it again...Im not going to intervene this time. I think this guy should be blocked.--Burgas00 22:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

MBB/DASA

There's nothing suspicious about the edit. It's actually correct, DASA was only formed in 1989 and subsumed MBB. MBB is therefore responsible for the vast majority of German Tornado development (though not all production). Still I don't see anything wrong with saying DASA was the German member of the consortium, after all you don't want to complicate an intro. Regards --Mark83 19:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, alright, thanks. The user's edit history was suspicious, as on the Osama bin Laden article the user changed the title of a portrait from Osama to George W. Bush. When I looked at the DASA and MBB pages, I found only the DASA page had mention of the Panavia Tornado. I'll change it back to MBB then. Cowman109^Talk 19:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar Awarded!!!

Barnstar of Diligence is awarded to Cowman109 for persistent effort to build the quality of Wikipedia - from Kukini 00:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

FA protection

I wasn't aware of the problem. Is it being discussed somewhere by the community so I can read up? Also, I've re-semi-protected the article, so that's taken care of. Thanks. Harro5 01:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I was looking for just the same thing; I can't seem to find any place where a discussion is taking place, though a mysterious user claims to have discovered the provider of the vandal (see his contributions, which apparently were reverted.) Cowman109^Talk 01:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Alkivar_phone_number_vandal is where it's being discussed. Cowman109^Talk 01:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation of Tori Amos edits

Thank you for your assistance. As you can probably see, I have explained to that user WHY I feel the edits are inappropriate. I have also asked the user to register for a free account as anonymous edits are discouraged. It's hard for me to define the user's actions as vandalism since I don't the user intends to cause harm. I think the user is very likely tied into the low budget film in question and just wants the film mentioned on wikipedia somehow. I can relate to this, but the film just simply doesn't qualify for the merits of inclusion in any fashion. I guess the best idea is for you to refer to me to an administrator who can intervene. Thank you again. Pacian 23:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I responded in Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-04 Tori Amos. Feel free to continue the discussion there if needed. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 00:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the smile. That was nice and thoughtful. I appreciate it. jbolden1517^Talk 21:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: My monobook.js

Thank you for your response to my question. Yes, I tried shift-clicking, but that doesn't seem to work. It works every other time, though. The reason I can tell there is something screwy going on is that those two initial slashes are not in the <pre> box, and the following message is not included like it is on the rest of the monobooks:

Note: After saving, you have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. Mozilla/Safari/Konqueror: hold down Shift while clicking Reload (or press Ctrl-Shift-R), IE: press Ctrl-F5, Opera: press F5.

Thanks for your thoughts, though! → J@red  10:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service. This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. Stressbusters The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome! Note from the editor As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log) Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Languages issues

Hello. I see you also posted to Akidd dublin about language issues. How do you think my message was? too harsh, or tactful enough? I had defended him in a vandalism accusation previously, so I thought he might take a comment from me better. I did try to explain as well as I could, but it's really gut wrenching to try and explain to a good faith editor that they might be better to stop editing because their language isn't up to scratch. Hope you're well, MartinRe 00:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think your message sounded harsh at all. The necessary thing is to get the point across that there are language difficulties and that we hope to find a way to solve them. We could always show him the Wikipedia of his native tongue as well if he hasn't discovered it to still promote positive edits in Wikipedia. Cowman109^Talk 00:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That was my hope too. He seems well meaning, intelligent, but the language issues are overshadowing that. I guess the ideal recommondation for a good, non-english editor would be Main_Page#Wikipedia_languages? Regards, MartinRe 00:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-10 Low quality edits by user with poor English skills

Hi. I see that you have taken the mediation case. However the conflict between the two users may escalate due to the creation User_talk:Fnarf999/Akidd in response to User:Akidd_dublin/cleanup/they_toldme. To help defuse the situation I think both pages should be speedy deleted. BigE1977 03:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I find it interesting: he makes a blog about me. Akidd dublin (abandoned 5/2006) 16:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That's not what you said the first time you edited this user's Talk page, just minutes before this contribution. You said

"Not Hi. The difference is that i am not getting personal. I expressed to him that he shows great rudeness by editing matsuri. He can tell my otherwise how he likes my sites. By wiki terms he is already doing harassment." Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 13:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)"

Bige1977 is absolutely correct; my user page User_talk:Fnarf999/Akidd is inappropriate. I've blanked it, and will delete it completely as soon as someone can tell me how to do so without going through an AfD. But I will defend my edit to matsuri: I removed an html table that you included with NINE additional external links, on top of the five links that were already there. Notice that after you reverted my edit there, an administrator immediately removed even more links than I did. Wikipedia is not a link farm. Fnarf999 17:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Scrolling the history before my edit: it was a much longer list. I was too much convinced breaking something. Technically you are right, fnarf999. However, it looks making a point, because the links were that way for long. Remember "never touch a running system". They can be removed later, when the article extends. To me it it does not look "taking required actiob", but probably it was a good step. One of my edits was to research for related data, and just leave things as they are. Akidd dublin (abandoned 5/2006) 18:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Whopper has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to two other people, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}} or {{subst:smile2}} to their talk pages. Happy editing! Whopper 02:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

thank you so much for the nice compliment! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whopper (talk • contribs)

Opentask

I notice you always updating the open task list. Given the recent deletion what do you think about getting rid of that one and going just having people use the main page? Its seems odd to have two pages.... jbolden1517^Talk 22:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The Mediation Cabal opentasks list is included on Wikipedia:Community Portal/Opentask. That in itself is very helpful and it also brings more activity to the Mediation Cabal by people simply seeing us mentioned on the opentasks list. Cowman109^Talk 22:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Jimpartame has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

Back At You...

Eva ^db has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

Re:Poor English Skills mediation case

Hi, Cowman. It would be helpful to know how the last mediation was resolved, as there is no indication on the mediation page, other than to say it was resolved by email. I am asking because the situation is now going, and another mediation case is taking place. David L Rattigan 23:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

In the comments by others section of Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-10 Low quality edits by user with poor English skills I elaborated on how the matter was resolved. In a nutshell, my inability to communicate to Akidd-Dublin/Yy-bo forced me to merely suggest to Fnarf999 that he attempt to avoid any further confrontration with the user to prevent more conflicts from rising up. Fnarf was clearly getting a tad stressed by his failed communications so I figured it would be in everyone's best interest if others could try convincing Akidd dublin that his edits have proven troublesome at times, assuming he'd be more receptive to comments by others. My personal opinion, at this point, is that the situation concerning Akidd dublin/Yy-bo should be moved up to formal mediation or arbitration, as this is a complex matter that could serve as a precedent for events in the future. Due to the language barrier, official mediation may be dificult, so I have a feeling arbitration may be inevitable. Cowman109^Talk 23:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Fnarf also replied in your mediation case with the following that pretty much summarizes it Cowman109^Talk 23:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC):

6. As a result of our ongoing dispute, I made a request for mediation myself. I agreed to stop responding to Akidd dublin anywhere except on my own talk page if he posts there. This was resolved AFTER my last edit to matsuri, which is the only example he gives. I don't know what agreements if any he made in the mediation. I suspect that filing his own mediation request was not a part it.

WP:RFP

Copied from AFD: May I ask why you are giving opinions here? This page is for administrators to evaluate requests, it doesn't at all function by community consensus a la WP:AFD. If you aren't an administrator..... it's not that I personally object per se (though it is rather unusual), except that when glancing through the list in a hurry I have a couple of times mistaken one of your responses for one given by an administrator and as a result passed over evaluating the page myself. I hope you don't take offense, but maybe you should leave this page to admins unless you're contesting a decision. · Katefan0 ^(scribble)/poll 20:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, alright. Sorry. I was commenting as I intended to run for adminship in the future and it is generally suggested that people get involved in Wiki processes, so I figured I would comment there to further my understanding of the processes. I'll stick to deletion processes, then. Sorry for the trouble! Cowman109^Talk 20:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

<laugh> No it's okay. I felt like a bit of a bitch for even saying anything because I admire your willingness to jump in. But it was getting a little confusing. No hard feelings I hope and I encourage you to get involved in the village pump, discussions on AN/I, helping out with disputes on RFC, vandalfighting to your heart's content, etc. Let me know if I can ever be of any help. · Katefan0 ^(scribble)/poll 21:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

immediate attention

There is a page requiring your immediate attention. Please respond ASAP! jbolden1517^Talk 02:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the way that worked out. I figured you'd get it. Well I guess the good news was until the pileon at the very end that the yes were enthusiastic and the nos reluctant. Everyone was basically unanimous that you were "admin material" and for the nos all you needed to do was get 500-1000 main-space edits and you'll get admin. Nothing negative came up at all. That's nice to know 9 months and you haven't made any enemies. Don't lose hope 20 edits / day x 50 days = 1000 edits.

Your friend,

Jeff (jbolden1517^Talk 00:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC))

Newton North and South grads

It seems you arbitrarily deleted names when you combined them.

On what basis did you decide who should be listed and who should be deleted?

Very anti-wiki if you ask me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.210.208 (talk • contribs)

Sorry if I deleted any names - if I did it was completely unintentional. Thanks for informing me of this though; I'll look into the logs to see which ones were missed and place them back in. Cowman109^Talk 18:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

TfD's of Userboxes

To be clear, I wasn't really looking for a Cabalist to jump into this issue as much as I'm trying to get some advice how to reach resolution with the participants. If I need to take this to WP:AN, I guess I can, but I'm still kind of green here, and not 1000% comfortable walking in the hall of the giants just yet.  :-) Advice? Suggestions? Ideas?--Ssbohio 02:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

If you'd like, I could make a comment on the administrator's noticeboard on your behalf with a link to the mediation case, if you'd rather not jump into the situation yourself. Such an issue is very complex and would require the consensus of other administrators from my understanding. Cowman109^Talk 02:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

If you see that as a good way to proceed, I'm happy with it. I'm not looking to solve the "userbox wars." I'm just hoping for a cease-fire, since fighting over each userbox individually seems a tremendous waste of time bordering on WP:POINT.--Ssbohio 02:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Had you made any comments in WP:AN? I doidn't see anything, but, then again I'm not sure I know where to look.  :-) --Ssbohio 00:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry. Your last comment was made as I was going to bed yesterday and I completely forgot to post it. I will do that now, thanks for reminding me! I'll link you to it shortly, heheh. Cowman109^Talk 01:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I have posted a summary of the situation here. You may reply if you'd like, but don't feel pressured into jumping into things. Wikipedia decisions are based on consensus, so hopefully administrators will discuss the matter at hand and come to some sort of conclusion concerning the amount of TfDs of userboxes. Do you need anything else? Cowman109^Talk 01:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

You've been great, man. Can I buy you a beverage of some kind? :-) --Ssbohio 02:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I do enjoy soy milk. Cowman109^Talk 02:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

And here I didn't even know cows ate soy... Does WP:BEANS apply to soy beans?  :-) --Ssbohio 02:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

It does now! Cowman109^Talk 03:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Boldly breaking the indent chain... Cyde has recently closed two userbox TfDs as deletes where the clear consensus seemed to be not to delete. Could you look at these two and tell me what you think I should do?--Ssbohio 18:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe Cyde was the one who deleted the pages - my guess is, from the edit history, that it was Tony Sidaway. The best idea would be to politely ask him why the articles were deleted, referring him to the template for deletion consensus of keep. Cowman109^Talk 22:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Exc itingly enough, the situation with Cyde spun completely out of control. Based on his stated reason for deleting (and not checking the deletion log -- my bad), I brought the two to WP:DRV/U. It was only there that Cyde mentioned anything about Tony, or about these being T1 speedy'd. While that was going on, Tony went to WP:AN/I and removed the request for admin intervention & subsequent discussion, moving it to TfD's talk page. In the midst of all this, someone filed an RFAr against Cyde, regarding sockpuppetry & also bringing up the userbox deletions. Wherever you look, Cyde's talk page, users' talk pages (like Aaron Brenneman), etc., there are Cyde issues (pardon the pun). The whole thing is ridiculous...--Ssbohio 15:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank-you

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails. Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales. If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate. For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate! ♫Bucketsofg✐♪

Short essays on Wikipedia

isn't it funny how nobody understands, did I say oh I'll just ruin this sight by putting up a short story, no it's more than that, but you guys don't listen. Don't get me wrong I do love this sight and i really think it's awesume, but this was a town experiment. So everyone can read it in the town. This was the only good sight that everyone could get on so I wouldn't have to print out 1500 copies of the 15 page story. I'm sorry but honestly out of all fairness... why'd you do that... unless of course you like ruining a towns dream... more importantly my dream! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Broccolirock17 (talk • contribs)

Sorry, but unfortunately Wikipedia does not work that way. There are still ways to get people of your town to see your story, though. You may want to look up a free website provider, such as Angelfire, and then you can get people from your town to go to the website there. Cowman109^Talk 20:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

About that...

Okay, I'm really really sorry. I guess I did over react and you're just doing what you're supposed to do. I'll try and see if any other articles have any mistakes and I'll fix them. I'm really sorry I hope you don't think I'm a rude person. wow... I feel so bad! Deepest apologies!

                                 -Brock-

No worries. Oh, and it's easier to leave your signature if you type ~~~~ . That will leave your username and the timestamp automatically. Happy editing, and good luck with your writing! Cowman109^Talk 20:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for message

Thank you for the message, I will try to remember to use edit summaries. I have been busy because I am an admin candidate.

Geo.plrd 20:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Talk

Thanks.

Thanks for everything, and I'm sorry again. Also, on the Cry wolf page, there's three characters, Owen, Dodger, and Tom. Would you by chance know how to add other characters, because I know a lot about Cry wolf.