Talk:Greenville, North Carolina

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Air service?

According to the US Airways online timetable, the carrier only serves Charlotte from Greenville, not Philadelphia.

History?

Not even the Greenville Massacre?

Yeah, without a History section, it's just a tourist guide. Murderbike 18:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

What was the Greenville Massacre? I wasn't able to find anything by googling it?

Subdivisions

the subdivisions listed on this page are hardly new; Brooke Valley is one of the oldest subdivisions in the county, and Camelot is over 25 years old if not more! This is an odd choice of subdivisions to list, is there any logic to them?

Good article?

I've been working on the article and hopefully it gets considered a WP:GA. --AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 13:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Review

The article's prose appears to be reasonably well written, and from that perspective meets the "well written" criteria of WP:WIAGA. However, the article is not complete, and there are too many very short sections in the article, or missing sections, that the article fails the "completeness" requriement of the Good Article criteria.

• The geography section is far too short; missing entirely is information on the cityscape (neighborhoods and how they are connected) and weather/climate.

• The Demographics section has a 'template being considered for deletion' tag in it. The text itself is sufficient, but is nothing more than auto-generated data added by a bot from the 2000 census. It could be expanded with more information about the population, including population history, and more information about where various immigrant communities originated from.

• Promote the history section. It should be the first section in the article, after the lead. Most city articles look best with the following order: History, Geography, Demographics, Economy.

Merge the 'hurricane floyd' section from its own main section into the history section. It's obviously an important part of the city's history, but shouldn't be in a main section, and belongs with 'history', since it's historical fact.

Completed on October 21st, 2008 Harmonychurch (talk) 02:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• A section on the economy is entirely missing from the article. This should cover the various industries and businesses in the city. Should be more than just a list of corporations.

• The education section is just a list of schools. More can be said about this. Talk about how the schools are related and include information on the school district(s), total number of students/teachers in the system, any notable schools (governor's schools, or highly ranked schools). Any teachers of the year, other notable education achievements? Include information about the library system here.

Move education closer to the end of the article, and promote the 'culture' and 'sports/recreation' sections.

• Move 'health care' into a subsection within an 'infrastructure' main section. This section should also have information about other important infrastructure in the town, such as electricity generation and water supply.

• The 'culture' section looks like a very good start, but it just doesn't seem complete. It sounds like it's missing something? I'm not sure what, but I think more about the local culture and tourist attractions can be included here.

• The section 'LGBT life in Greenville' is an WP:NPOV violation if included in its own main section, as it adds extra emphasis to a very small aspect of the city's population. It's culturally related, and if mentioned, should probably be included within that section. But usually, individual nightclubs (whether gay or straight), are generally not considered noteworthy enough to be included, and borders on advertisement/spam. The link to this material also does not meet wikipedia's reliable source guidelines, as it looks like mostly a blog site with very little, if any, editorial control.

• The 'shopping' section is of very little importance, and should be moved into the 'culture' section and greatly reduced. Wikipedia should not advertise the existence of stores and malls, and stores like J.C. Penney, unless their HQ is in the city, is hardly worth a mention. Some shopping centers that might be worthwhile to mention in the article might be a street in town with a lot of historic shops, that has developed through many years.

• Since there are no real major league, professional sports in this city, it might be better to change the title of the 'sports' section to 'sports and recreation', and add more about the recreational activities available in the city. Are there hiking and nature trails located nearby? What about city parks? Any state parks?

• 'Transportation' is very short. Seems like it can be expanded. It really just lists, in prose format, the major transportation options available, like highways, without really talking about how they relate to the community. There's no context for where these highways lead to and how they're connected to other cities. What about rail transport?

• The media section seems ok, although try not to just list radio and television stations. The list of radio stations looks incomplete, with only 3 AM & 3 FM stations. The list of TV stations looks incomplete as well (no ABC or NBC affiliates?). You might want to try talking about the radio & TV as prose, instead of listing, and discuss how this relates to the overall cultural scene. What Nielsen media market is Greenville in, and how does this rank compared to other markets (viewership)? Also, if written very well, the different aspects (print, radio, tv) could be weaved together better into a single main section, without the use of these subsections.

Promote the media section -- move closer to 'culture'.

• A section on 'government' is completely missing from the article. Probably should appear closer to the end.

• Move the 'external links' section to the very last section, after 'references'. There's a link to the 'Mapit-US-cityscale' template at the very end of the article that can actually be removed now. These links originally appeared in 'external links', but the link to geographic coordinates now appears at the very top right, as well as in the geography sections, so it's redundant at the end.

• The 'references' listed need to contain more than just the external link to the source. They should include full citation information: author, title, publisher, date of publication, date URL retrieved (if it's an online source). This is important, especially for online sources, so that if the URL ever is not accessible, the source is not rendered useless and readers can still verify the content cited.

For additional help, I would recommend looking at WP:LEAD, WP:MOS, and WP:CITE. WikiProject Cities also has a very good guideline for US city articles that you may want to take a look at. Two city articles that are existing GAs are also worth examining: Richmond, Virginia and Flagstaff, Arizona.

Hope this helps! Good luck! Dr. Cash (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Factual errors

There are large factual errors regarding the metro area of Greenville, NC. I have tried to delete the erroneous information, but my deletions have been overridden (by Wikipedia's editorial staff?). Neither the metro area, nor the metro population could possibly be more than double the City population. Just take a look at Google maps if you don't believe me. There's no conurbation of any consequence within miles of Greenville. Also, the Wikipedia article for Pitt County, in which Greenville is situated, shows a smaller population, but slightly bigger area than the Greenville metro area, so there are discrepancies between the two Wikipedia articles. Right now I don't have the time to make a full correction, using 2010 census data, so I deleted the clearly erroneous metro area data from the Greenville article. No facts are better than bad facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.238.175 (talk) 02:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I deleted the comments as they are inappropriate in an article...that is what this page is for. Your deletions have not been reverted as I write this. You may find it handy to use the markup {{cn}} just after a fact that you think needs a citation to support it.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 03:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.238.175 (talk) 03:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC) I have reluctantly left in place the population data for the metro area, and the urban area. It is in agreement with the 2010 census data, but in my opinion, and that of Greenville residents that I know,the numbers are artifacts, and quite meaningless. The Greenville Statistical Metro Area comprises two largely rural counties that may only contain one incorporated city - Greenville.67.170.238.175 (talk) 23:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)67.170.238.175 (talk) 00:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)