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:::My paternal grandmother was a Broda, Turk's cousin, she was of Polish descent but did herself marry a Ukranian, Fred Kasurak, and went on to live in Brandon Manitoba, a largely Ukranian community until moving to Detroit Mich. & then Windsor Ont. where this branch of our family still resides. Therefore, I think it is very safe to say that Turk Broda was of Polish heritage... .. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.231.114.251|64.231.114.251]] ([[User talk:64.231.114.251|talk]]) 23:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
:::My paternal grandmother was a Broda, Turk's cousin, she was of Polish descent but did herself marry a Ukranian, Fred Kasurak, and went on to live in Brandon Manitoba, a largely Ukranian community until moving to Detroit Mich. & then Windsor Ont. where this branch of our family still resides. Therefore, I think it is very safe to say that Turk Broda was of Polish heritage... .. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.231.114.251|64.231.114.251]] ([[User talk:64.231.114.251|talk]]) 23:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::::The Ukrainian Weekly in 1947, a popular ukrainian-American newspaper, reported Turk Broda, Wally Stanowski, and Bill Ezinicki were PART Ukrainian, but did not consider themselves Ukrainian. I know for a fact that all three had at least POLISH fathers, Wally was referred to in Winnipeg as the Polished Pole, Bill's people went to a Polish Church and were buried in a Polish cemetary, and Walter (a much more common Polish first name than Ukrainian ( Wladyslaw ) had a father named Kazimierz, a non -Ukrainian name and a brother named Stan, the most common Polish first name. My Dad's cousins were good friends to the Ezinicki girls who told them they were Polish. Wikipedia you are looking foolish on this one. Like most Polish-Canadian boys of Turk's generation, he identifies with his Dad. I don't know what ethnic group his mother came from. Looking at her maiden name, it could be ukrainian or Polish. [[Special:Contributions/50.72.217.7|50.72.217.7]] ([[User talk:50.72.217.7|talk]]) 04:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC) roda |
::::The Ukrainian Weekly in 1947, a popular ukrainian-American newspaper, reported Turk Broda, Wally Stanowski, and Bill Ezinicki were PART Ukrainian, but did not consider themselves Ukrainian. I know for a fact that all three had at least POLISH fathers, Wally was referred to in Winnipeg as the Polished Pole, Bill's people went to a Polish Church and were buried in a Polish cemetary, and Walter (a much more common Polish first name than Ukrainian ( Wladyslaw ) had a father named Kazimierz, a non -Ukrainian name and a brother named Stan, the most common Polish first name. My Dad's cousins were good friends to the Ezinicki girls who told them they were Polish. Wikipedia you are looking foolish on this one. Like most Polish-Canadian boys of Turk's generation, he identifies with his Dad. I don't know what ethnic group his mother came from. Looking at her maiden name, it could be ukrainian or Polish. [[Special:Contributions/50.72.217.7|50.72.217.7]] ([[User talk:50.72.217.7|talk]]) 04:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC) roda |
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Stan Obodiac was a Polish-Canadian, so it seems his saying Turk Broda was Ukrainian is gospel! My Dad who was 100 % Polish and of distinguished Polish noble descent, whose ancestors were more east of the majority of most Ukrainian-Canadians was horrified when a Polish neighbour who came from central Poland made him feel like an outsider. Dad had to defend himself against Ukrainian kids in his area who resented him speaking his ancestoral tongue of Polish. What I'm saying on a first hand basis, Dad whose family descended from Polish noble patriots who moved east, were considered by some central Poles as non Polish! This incident sickened me as noble Poles who immigrated to the east borders, amongst Ukrainian and polonized Ukrainian peasants. gave up their lives to defend this attacked eatern border of Poland. Dad's Polish neighbour made him feel outside the Polish mainstream. As a kid I felt anger over this absurdity, Dad's people were Polish patriots who gave their lives defending Poland's eastern border. As a Polish- Canadian I am proud of Stan Obodiac but understand his point of view (don't agree with it). ```` |
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Turk Broda's father's name was Kazimierz, only a Polish or Lithuanian name! As a Polish -Canadian who grew up amongst a much larger Ukrainian community I've never heard an Ukrainian named Kazimierz. Kazimierz and Stanislaw are the two most common Polish Christian names because both are Polish Roman Catholic Saints; it would be sacreligous for an Ukrainian Greek - Catholic to give that name to their child! Walter "Turk" Broda's brother's name was Stan, the other most popular Polish christian name! Walter's relatives have written into websites that state he's Polish and his relative writers have never said he was Ukrainian! Stan and Kaz are Roman Catholic Saints (Polish), some flickin hunch, you people are being dupped!205.200.78.196 (talk) 14:54, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- ...and Walter is an extremely popular Ukrainian name, so two can play this guessing game. If you have sources of his "relatives" claiming something, back it up. At the moment, it seems you're the one being duped.--Львівське (talk) 19:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- So its a cited primary source vs. your hunch? You'll have to do better than 'you think his father's name sounds Polish'. --Львівське (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- My paternal grandmother was a Broda, Turk's cousin, she was of Polish descent but did herself marry a Ukranian, Fred Kasurak, and went on to live in Brandon Manitoba, a largely Ukranian community until moving to Detroit Mich. & then Windsor Ont. where this branch of our family still resides. Therefore, I think it is very safe to say that Turk Broda was of Polish heritage... .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.114.251 (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- The Ukrainian Weekly in 1947, a popular ukrainian-American newspaper, reported Turk Broda, Wally Stanowski, and Bill Ezinicki were PART Ukrainian, but did not consider themselves Ukrainian. I know for a fact that all three had at least POLISH fathers, Wally was referred to in Winnipeg as the Polished Pole, Bill's people went to a Polish Church and were buried in a Polish cemetary, and Walter (a much more common Polish first name than Ukrainian ( Wladyslaw ) had a father named Kazimierz, a non -Ukrainian name and a brother named Stan, the most common Polish first name. My Dad's cousins were good friends to the Ezinicki girls who told them they were Polish. Wikipedia you are looking foolish on this one. Like most Polish-Canadian boys of Turk's generation, he identifies with his Dad. I don't know what ethnic group his mother came from. Looking at her maiden name, it could be ukrainian or Polish. 50.72.217.7 (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC) roda
- My paternal grandmother was a Broda, Turk's cousin, she was of Polish descent but did herself marry a Ukranian, Fred Kasurak, and went on to live in Brandon Manitoba, a largely Ukranian community until moving to Detroit Mich. & then Windsor Ont. where this branch of our family still resides. Therefore, I think it is very safe to say that Turk Broda was of Polish heritage... .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.114.251 (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- So its a cited primary source vs. your hunch? You'll have to do better than 'you think his father's name sounds Polish'. --Львівське (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Stan Obodiac was a Polish-Canadian, so it seems his saying Turk Broda was Ukrainian is gospel! My Dad who was 100 % Polish and of distinguished Polish noble descent, whose ancestors were more east of the majority of most Ukrainian-Canadians was horrified when a Polish neighbour who came from central Poland made him feel like an outsider. Dad had to defend himself against Ukrainian kids in his area who resented him speaking his ancestoral tongue of Polish. What I'm saying on a first hand basis, Dad whose family descended from Polish noble patriots who moved east, were considered by some central Poles as non Polish! This incident sickened me as noble Poles who immigrated to the east borders, amongst Ukrainian and polonized Ukrainian peasants. gave up their lives to defend this attacked eatern border of Poland. Dad's Polish neighbour made him feel outside the Polish mainstream. As a kid I felt anger over this absurdity, Dad's people were Polish patriots who gave their lives defending Poland's eastern border. As a Polish- Canadian I am proud of Stan Obodiac but understand his point of view (don't agree with it). ````
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