Talk:Transfer (association football)

WTF?

11 Scotland Mario Silva[30][31] Scotland Celtic Italy Milan £35.5 €56.5 2006

Please remove! I don't dare to it, I will only screw it up.

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Legal Definition

There doesn't seem to be anything on where transfer fees sit legally. By that I mean whatis written in a contract so that a club can demand compensation for rescinding it? As far as I am aware a player can freely walk away and be a plumbe rif he wanted (or at least he could in the days before bosman). IS a contract so "fixed" that both parties have to agree to rescind it and the only way a club would is if they are financially compensated. The legal abiguity of transfer fees is confusing and it would be nice to get a proper explaination especially is we have them for managers now as well. cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.234.96 (talk) 02:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Transfer (football)?

Should this article cover only football. I believe that in cricket, basketball and other sports there are tranfers as well. Perhaps this should be a: Transfer (sport) article.

Beckham deal not a transfer

??? As the referenced below stated, Beckham's contract with Real is about to expire. This was a free transfer and does not belong on this page. Or am I missing something? Olinto 00:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Olinto

Soccer vs. American sports

Why is it that soccer players always seem to be transfered for cash while in America, athletes are usually traded for other athletes? Are soccer players ever traded for each other? Mwalcoff 06:32, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

That is a good question... I wish I could answer it. Don't the soccer team owners use the cash to hire players? --Merovingian (t) (c) 06:34, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

There are no rules against it and it has happened, but it is very rare. Calsicol 01:18, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

What you do get more often is part exchange deals, especially in the lower leagues. Morwen - Talk 12:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

It is usually part exchange, where a lesser value player is added to the money on offer, but ocassionally a straight swap has taken place.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Transfer records

It would be good to have a historic list of transfer records in here. I think the percentage that goes to the player varies, although it is usually nothing if the player puts in a written transfer request. It would be difficult to find out as it would be tied up with the players agent, which most clubs dont list Lazmac 13:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd go further and say that a seperate article on record transfer fees should probably exist. I'll start doing some research.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Others missing?

According to your source, Football Database, 30 million pounds were paid to St Germain by Barcelona for Ronaldinho. The calls around 30 million are quite close. What are the differences introduced using €? Should more players be introduced in the list?

shevchenko was 30 million, veron needs to be taken out, the others moved down, so shevchenko goes into the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.155.251 (talk) 15:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

URGENT: NOBODY ADD KAKA

Kaka did not yet transfer to Real Madrid, it is still speculation and there is no OFFICIAL WORD FROM EITHER CLUB. Until there is, WIkipedia must assume that there is no transfer - we are an encyclopedia not a sports magazine. Contact me if any concerns Bulkroosh (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the transfer is now official. My concern is about the rankings. If we consider the fee in Euros, then Kaka is placed at second spot behind Zidane. If we consider the fee in GBP, then Kaka's transfer is the costliest. However, consider that the Euro as a currency has been steady over the years whereas the pound has weakened. So, it makes sense to establish sort the list with respect to Euros rather than pounds. 59.162.23.221 (talk) 06:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I've changed the article back to pounds for two reason. Firstly the World football transfer record article orders moves by pounds and for consistency it is necessary to keep all related articles in the same currency. Secondly the Euro remains a relatively new currency and so there are no accurate euro values for transfers pre-1999. This conflicts with my above point that consistency is needed throughout transfer record related articles --Daviessimo (talk) 07:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the use of pounds makes sense at all. If we look at the five highest transfers on the list, and 9 of the fifteen listed, all were conducted fully in Euro, pounds don't come into. Clearly, in these transfers, the player's value was decided based on the Euro valuation, and using the Euro here more accurately reflects the substance of the transaction.

(P.S) I'm aware that the Euro only came into circulation in 2002, but the exchange rates between Eurozone countries was fixed in 1999, meaning that the Euro is accurate as it remained stable in relation to the currencies of the clubs involved.Bh02306069 (talk) 17:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure also that the Euro has some sort of official standing within UEFA meaning that European transfers have to be denominated in Euro. 86.177.171.90 (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This article has become ridiculous. It should just be listed in Euros, and then to the right of it in GBP. When it becomes too complex the way it has it turns off anyone who is looking for simple data, which is what people rush to Wikipedia for.

What about the players' role?

This article is missing something crucial ... what if a club wants to sell a player but he doesn't want to go? Does the player have a say? What if there are offers from clubs A and B, the club wants to sell to club A, but the player wants to go to club B? What happens then?

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Ibrahimovic inflated transfer value does not look correct compared to the value paid, given it was only a year ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.148.105 (talk) 23:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Zlatan should only be €45M, etoo was included in the deal and although he had a value (not confirmed by a reliable source), this is transfer fees received and etoo's value should not be included!!! CHANGE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.157.250 (talk) 22:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe Zlatan's fee was around 45 million euro. Should the fee for Eto'o be added to the transfer value?

Silental (talk) 21:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

According to the Spanish press, and quoting an FC Barcelona executive, Ibrahimovic tranfer to Barcelona was valued at €66 million by the parts, while that of Eto'o to Inter was valued at €20 million. In fact, although obviously linked, these are two legally independent operations. http://www.marca.com/2009/07/27/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1248702093.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.30.84.125 (talk) 16:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it was one legal operation. The Zlatan presentation was held off until Eto'o signed the papers in Milan. Both players completed their medicals and signed contracts concurrently. Inter would not have accepted the deal if it was €45 million only. I'll leave it for others to research and site sources as I expect this will be a controversial change on this page, putting Zlatan above Kaka with €66 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.201.238.163 (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hernán Crespo to Lazio, is fee plus Matias Almeyda and Sérgio Conceição. Vieri to Inter is fee plus Diego Simeone. Unpaid debt Gaizka Mendieta became Stefano Fiore and Bernardo Corradi. Matthew_hk tc 14:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The problem with part-exchange deals is the lack of an official fee for the player swapped. I could be wrong, but as I understand it the fee for Eto'o is just a media estimate of his valuation rather than an actual agreement between the clubs. I don't know how the info can be included in the table except as it is now. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Barcelona have stated the part exchange was €20, so where does the value in the table come from? --86.136.71.39 (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you have the link to Barca's statement? If you have then this can be resolved. If not I don't think it should be added to Ibrahimovic's value because it's just an estimate without official source.RavenMaster7 (talk) 10:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Mourinho think Eto'o worth €50M, FC Barcelona said he worth €20M. Kaká, Shevchenko Ronaldo fee is media estimate. The section itself have problem. Matthew_hk tc 15:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Eto'o should def. be included in the valuation of Ibrahimovic. Obviously Eto'o was and is worth more than 20 million euro, somewhere between 30 and 50 I would say. Footnote number 5 - I can't even find the 5 in the article or in the table, where is it? Also I propose you put a sentence in the part right above the table, to make it clear. This should not be a discussion between Ibrahimovic lover and haters, but the article is incorrect in this state, as I see it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.180.56.60 (talk) 12:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Juventus year book 2002-03 said Buffon discount value at June 2003 is €52.265M, Nedvěd is €47.778M, the fee is the table is wrong. Matthew_hk tc 15:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Mario Gomez

What about German striker Mario Gomez? FC Bayern Munich paid about 35 million euros (about 30 million pounds) for him this summer[1]. As the table is listed in GBP Gomez should be placed 13th. Etmot (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Listing Records in € and not £

Why are the record listed in £ and not the more logical €? Why is the € more logical? Because 8 out of the 10 transfers have happened between countries in the Eurozone, and in one of the final two (Ronaldo) the deal was negotiated in €. By listing it in £, one obtains a misleading picture, because of the plummeting exchange rate of sterling makes newer transfers appear higher. I suggest we re-arrange the list by value in €. Mecil (talk) 22:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Carlos Tevez

There's conflicting evidence to what his transfer fee is, see http://www.footballtransfers.co.uk/profile/carlos-tevez/7556/, or the ref at Tevez. I suggest we delete him until conclusive evidence is found. Sandman888 (talk) 14:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Tevez fee needs to be confirmed and adjusted accordingly. Right no he is probably 15 places higher than he should be.

Suggestion

Please make this a template, and insert it in all the related articles, Thanks!

Transfer Series in Association football
Transfer Transfer market Transfer records Transfer window Free transfer Loan

Solidarity Contribution

Why the whole section deleted and without any hints in this talk page?! Matthew_hk tc 10:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The Gunnarsson transfer — seperate article or redirect

Should there be a seperate article about the Gunnarsson transfer ?

Or a redirect?--85.166.141.237 (talk) 15:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

This case meet the notability guidelines (WP:GNG), and could be an own article. Be WP:BOLD and start it, and more editors with more sources will edit the article. The worst thing that could happen is that it's merged into Stabæk Fotball. Cheers. Mentoz86 (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

If you start the article, then I expect to contribute. More info on your talk page.

(A such article would probably not be merged to Stabæk; the leaders of 2 teams made a one-million kroner deal for a five-million kroner player. I would not rule out sanctions against one or more of Vålerenga's leaders.)--85.166.141.237 (talk) 14:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I suggest a redirect for now, to Consequences of the Stabæk-Vålerenga transfer of Veigar Pall Gunnarsson. I have been inspired by the thoughts of User:Comte0 at wp:France.

(A registered user, rather than I, would have to perform such a redirect, possibly to Veigar_Páll_Gunnarsson#Consequences_of_the_Stab.C3.A6k-V.C3.A5lerenga_transfer . Suggestion for name of redirect: Veigar_Páll_Gunnarsson 2011 football transfer)--85.166.141.237 (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Media links

• November 18: (Hegnar claims that Stabæk is lying)Hegnar refser Ingebrigt - mener Stabæk lyver
• November 27: (Record fines to Stabæk and Vålerenga)"Rekordbøter til Stabæk og Vålerenga"

Are there any notable links in English?--85.166.141.237 (talk) 15:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The need for a seperate article; naming

There is a need for a seperate article. Most of what the media has written so far, shows no participation of the football player himself. So why should sanctions against various other people and clubs, be mentioned in the article about the player?

The name probably ought to be Veigar_Páll_Gunnarsson transfer 2011. (He has been transferred several times in the last 10 years, and many of those have arguably been notable.

The most notable draft that I have seen for such an article, is Gunnarsson transfer — using text from 3 authors.--85.166.141.237 (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

January 2012 Edits

• I have made some edits to the table that I'd like to discuss. The table is for the "Top 15 transfer fees paid"... So my perspective is that if there are another 3 players transferred for £40m (adjusted for inflation) this window, but it will still only be the 10th highest transfer fee paid, thus making the next highest the 11th highest fee paid, and so on. It's not like a race where if there is a dead heat for second, then the next person over the line is fourth. I hope this is making sence... I think it is good having it this way as it shows 15 unique values that make the "top 15 transfer fees paid", which to my understanding is the idea of the table.

• I added in Rio Ferdinand and Juan Sebastián Verón as their fee adjusted for inflation is £35m - I read the talk page and but I'm still not entirely sure why they were removed.

• Finally, references are needed for the fees attributed to Ronaldo and Andriy Shevchenko.

For Ronaldo, the fee published in Ronaldo#2002–2006: Real Madrid is €46m (also unsourced), yet the fee here is £46m/€58m - transfermarkt.co.uk quotes £39.6m.

For Shevchenko, I've only ever seen £30.8m quoted as the fee, which is in line with the sourced fee on Andriy Shevchenko#Chelsea, however transfermarkt.co.uk claims £40.48m.

Any constructive input would be appreciated - I'd also appreciate not flat out deleting my work without first having a chat about it. I've got no problems if people want to edit it though as I took an educated guess at Robinho and Dimitar Berbatov being #14 and #15 respectively. Cheers :) - Ck786 (talk) 02:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Righto. A week has passed with no objections to the above. I have done my own research on Ronaldo and Andriy Shevchenko's transfers. Italian media outlet reported the Ronaldo transfer as €45m - with €35m paid up front and another €10m payable in December 2002 if Inter didn't select a Madrid player to be included in the deal. This see's Ronaldo drop to 9th on the list. As for Shevchenko, I just used the sourced figure from his article, which references an A.C. Milan financial report. Thus Shevchenko drops to 14th on the adjusted list. Berbatov drops off, because Shevchenko's fee is no longer the same as Christian Vieri's (or anyone else for that matter). So the table is complete with 15 unique record transfer fees as of this edit. Ck786 (talk) 01:05, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

One final change - had to re-add in Berbatov as I missed that both Rui Costa and Javier Pastore are on £37m (adjusted), thus for there to be 15 unique transfer fees, Berbatov needed to go in at #15 with Costa and Pastore on equal 11th and the troupe on £35m, all equal 12th. Ck786 (talk) 23:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Nedved vs Buffon

Nedved costed Juve 41 million euros (http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1064964.html), but he doesn't make the list, while Buffon (23 million pounds, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/1422132.stm) does? Something isn't right here. Azzurro2882 (talk) 06:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Inbrahimovic

None of the sources claim Ibrahimovic's transfer was 66 million euros. They claim it was 46 million + Eto'o who was valued at 20 million. Its a matter of fact that his transfer fee wasn't 66 million. It was 46 million. This is a FACT. Why on earth is Ibrahimovic the only trade in the history of football where the estimated value of who he was traded with is added. It's just an estimate and this applies to literally no other trade. I therefore request a change in the table because it is absolute categorical FACT that the transfer fee was NOT 66 milluion euros. Why does everyone always, always make this mistake ONLY for Ibrahimovic. Stumink (talk) 16:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Andy Cole's transfer figure was always reported as £7million, which was actually £6million + £1million rated Keith Gillespie. Inter valued Eto'o at £20 million, and therefore accepted him as part of the transfer fee. 82.163.59.11 (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Mendieta

He went to Lazio for 48million at the time, he surely makes the list?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.185.200 (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Fernandinho

On 6 June 2013, Fernandinho became Manchester City's first signing of the summer, for a fee of £30 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.109.118.129 (talk) 11:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Gareth Bale should be #1

Why isn't Gareth Bale ranked 1st in the article? According to sources, his transfer is the most expensive costing £85m (100m euros) [2]. Mohamed CJ (talk) 15:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)