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Ground Bank Farm

The creator of the page was User:PhilipHMitchell talk. I'm not sure what purpose an OTRS ticket would serve, since the text is promotional enough to be speedied on that account alone. I'm happy to sandbox the text to you, the creator of the article or both, but even if the dollops of spam and peacockery were sorted out, it would probably fail on notability, so I don't know whether it's worth the effort. Let me know what you think Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A (less) Faustian bargain

I have no problem with the spelling being corrected. It's the incorrect "FIAT" I'm concerned with. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 21:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen the FIAT attached, but if even Eldredge had no problem with it, & since even Autocar is using it, who am I to argue? Rv, but do spellcheck it to the Italian variant? TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 21:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Circular arc hull

Thank you for removing the PROD template from Circular arc hull, and apparently from other such articles, too. Please tell me just what you are doing, and how you decide. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. There is a discussion at AfD on the subject that you may be interested in. Thanks, Dea db eef 05:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Safety valve" article

Hi, Mr. Dingley. I was reading your account of "Ramsbottom safety valves" in Wikipedia's article on safety valves, when the text suddenly broke off:

"Mis-assembly of just this nature led to a fatal boiler explosion in 1909 at Cardiff on the Rhymney Railway, even though the boiler was almost new, at only eight months old.[24] The report of the inquiry into this accident was … "

So, what follows "this accident was" ?

When you inserted your text on Ramsbottom safety valves (on 26 September 2012), you appear to have copied and pasted from a text that you'd prepared; however, you didn't copy the entire original text, since the words after "this accident was" are missing. I hope that you still have the original text, so that you can fill the gap in the article.

I was impressed by the fruits of your research. Many thanks for sharing them. Cwkmail (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry there's a bit missing. The article (as a userspace draft) was deleted some time ago as a "duplicate" and I lost some of it (one reason why I no longer edit articles on WP, I create them offline). Although I did still have a partial version, I did lose some (mostly the whole section on marine use, for high-pressure boilers). I'll see if I can work out what the missing piece was by looking at the sources I would have used. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Coultershaw Wharf and Beam Pump

Thanks for the kind remarks. Although I live only a few miles from Coultershaw, I have yet to actually visit the site. I'm in Spain for several weeks - on my return, I'll try to get over there and get some photos. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 10:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your reversion - Triton article "cafe racer" phrase

I see that you have reversed my deletion of this inappropriate phrase (used incorrectly in the intro) within 7 minutes here. No adequate justification for your actions are stated, self-published 2000s sources such as commercial sites - Ace Cafe - are not acceptable or convincing, not quite spam but they have a vested interest in promoting their name and general hype.

ThanQ for confirming you are watching this page - I had always anticipated an edit-war with 2 or 3 individuals, but not with you! I have added 'better source' tags - I expect you will delete these, too??!! Remember, I am writing this record for admins. Cafe racers did not exist in the 1960s and 1970s UK, period, no arguments. If you have any proper, contemporary sources you should quote them. The periodicals would be The Motor Cycle (magazine) (became Motor Cycle Weekly), Motor Cycle News, Motor Cycling (magazine), Motorcyclist Illustrated, Motorcycle Sport, Motorcycle Mechanics (not The Classic MotorCycle).

The earliest UK ref I know of is Clay, 1988, book. Anything later is simply repetitive gravy-train profiteering and irrelevant, as is the trashy TV show. Also largely-irrelevant is the argument about cafe, caff - spelling and pronunciation, etc. as the bikes and people weren't called that, there is no evidence that they were. They weren't necessarily called cafe races - they were known as something different, which I will not quote here.

My earliest UK motorcycling source for Café (with accent) is 1962, referring to the BUILDING, not the people or bikes - no mention of cafe racer in the article. Cafe Racer is a total Americanism, along with rice-burner, hog, that sort of thing which I assume you know-well to be entirely Americanisms. I have now been working with an acknowledged US expert on this for some months, but I am not prepared to quote any US hard-published sources presently (earliest is 1969) as the pages need a major re-write without the risk of potential outside interference.

Yes, my OR - proper research, not relying on much-repeated unsourced corruptions. Some of the stuff I'm seeing is outrageous "..they raced from Inn to Inn..." If you know anything about M/Cs you will be able to recognise the several errors/anomalies in the ref by a car-journalist, Wally Wyss, here in the 1973 Practical Mechanics US general household mag often quoted.

When I consult Wikipedia for info, I want it to be right, and written by an expert - not someone who thinks it's OK as someone else must have been right previously, even though there's no adequate sourcing for any of it.

If you can prove just ONE 1960s UK source then I will shout "I'm not worthy...."

By continuing the 'cafe racer' myth, you are corrupting Wikipedia - those who do not know better will asssume it's gospel. Users are charged with maintaining the integrity of the site. The fact that you have not improved this Triton page with period refs is substance enough. Unsourced material should be removed. I will provide at least 2 1960s refs for my (dealer-supplied complete bikes) edits in due course (I often do this so please don't jump on me, as I have a life outside). But I will not graft to justify the content of the entire, unsourced article which has no indication of origins.

I look forward to your justification for citing Ace Cafe - a completely modern site, not having any relevance to prove dubious, supposed-1960s clichés! Can't see any period page-scans showing Cafe Racer quotations in print on Ace Cafe!! Rocknrollmancer (talk) 15:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TL;DR

If you spent a fraction as long contributing content as you did woffling above, then things would be better all round.

"reversed my deletion [...] within 7 minutes", could be better phrased as "added a source" or even "added a source in no time at all"

"I will provide at least 2 1960s refs for my [...] edits in due course", so you insist on sourcing from others, but for you it's just "manyana"

" citing Ace Cafe - a completely modern site, " I'm afraid my Telex is broken and I don't have access to the Ace's 1950 web site. However I will take the Ace as a source for UK biker culture any day over some random wiki editor with WP:OWN issues. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ferguson TE20

Re your reversion of my edit to Ferguson TE20, do you intend to create an article for Banner Lane, Coventry? Biscuittin (talk) 11:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, although it's a notable topic and I hope someone does – I'd enjoy reading it.

The point is that Coventry is dull. Almost all UK readers will know at least that Coventry is "a town in the Midlands". That's about all that's worth knowing. Factories have to go somewhere. Workforces have to live somewhere. This isn't Coventry Climax or their Godiva engine, where Coventry has some non-obvious relevance. What does have a relevance though (even if WP is playing catch-up) is Banner Lane. Even the technical design of the TE20 engine is only how it is because of Banner Lane and its past history. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's bad practice to create a red link unless you intend to create the article in the near future. I've seen lots of red links that later turn into something completely irrelevant. If Coventry is too dull to warrant a link, I'd rather remove the link altogether. Biscuittin (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I like red links, because per WP:REDLINK it's an indication that there's a topic but there's no article. Grooming the What links here list also allows the redlinks to be grouped to the same name, avoiding some risk of multiple targets developing for the same topic. I know we've disagreed in the past as to whether it was better to turn redlinks into redirects, although as there's a pretty relevant redir target here, I think a redirect is a perfectly adequate state until someone writes a specific article on Banner Lane. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For information, please see Talk:Banner Lane, Coventry. Biscuittin (talk) 12:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Hi Andy, I'm currently writing an article on the management of lists for the WikiProject Video Games Newsletter and in order to make it as neutral and helpful as possible, I was hoping to provide views from the other side of the spectrum from my own. Would you be interested in contributing a few paragraphs (1-2) to this article? It's due by October 3 so you have a little time to decide yet, but if you are interested then I'd be asking you to comment on how our discussion of the selection criteria used at "list of fictional badgers" and our inclusion of a lede works so well. If possible it might be nice to mention the praise we've received from The Guardian (linked at the article's talk page). You can see a draft of the article and where your contributions would be needed at User:Thibbs/Sandbox7 (just text search your username). Please let me know if you'd be willing to contribute to the newsletter. -Thibbs (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article Feedback Tool update

Hey Andy Dingley. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Helicopter

The edits I made were not utter trivia, The edits were just a ref

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