Talk:Somaliland

Map

SwPawel: the map looks great! However, it seems to be taken from http://www.somalilandnews.com/cap15.html with some additional text added. Do you have permission to use the map here, or did they get it from a public domain source? --Brion VIBBER, Thursday, May 23, 2002

Well, the truth is I haven't any permission. I hope that artcle in Wikipedia would be the good advertisment for Somaliland, so they won't nake any problems. swPawel

In that case, I'm removing the file until you ask them for permission. Brion VIBBER, Friday, May 24, 2002

The map from the website as mentioned above was replaced for quite some time already, and is now replaced again with one which tries to be more NPOV about the independence of Somaliland from Somalia. andy 13:14, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Somaliland independence

There is no Independent for Somaliland, they are part of somalia , and somalia can not be divided in to a groups or a regions

That is wrong.Somaliland was forced into a union with the former Italian Somaliland in 1960 on the basis that the union would be a federal one. As this never happened, Somaliland was more than right to have seceded from Somalia. Somaliland qualifies for full recognition as an independent country, & because it was the former British Somaliland Protectorate (whose territory it covers), it should be admitted to full membership of the British Commonwealth along with the Hutt River Province Principality. - (Aidan Work 06:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC))

Please keep discussion on this page related to the article, not the topic. Thanks! --Wikiacc (talk) 20:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

ART map

This ART file needs to be converted to a common image format, otherwise some people won't be able to see it. (For example I can see something in IE but not in Mozilla.) --Shallot 09:56, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The image has been deleted under CSD I4 (unsourced images). Wikiacc (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Dead link

• UK parliament debate on recognition of Somaliland; led by Tony Worthington; 4 Feb 2004.

This link for this is now at [1] Jooler 18:25, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You have my permission

Please ignore the people who claim you violated thier property. Visit my website and use any of the maps that you find in there. I am also willing to edit them for you, here is the link:

http://www.somaliland.org

map page: http://www.somaliland.org/somaliland.asp

Somaliland.org editor contact email: http://www.somaliland.org/contactus.asp

How do you say "Somaliland?"

How exactly do you say "Somaliland?" Is it "So-Malia-Land" or "Somal-il-and?" It might be good to have a IPA Phonetic guide for the word "Somaliland"... PanzerArizona 21:22, 30 May 2005 (PST)

Got it. El_C 04:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Its prenounced SO-MAA-LEE land because it is land of Somalis. The ethnic group is Somali not Somalian. Somalia just had the "ia" for land of added to their name. With an I already there A was just added. July 11 2005, Vital Component-

"The iam behind of regaining the teritories and sovergneint of somaliland is to maintain the peace through all somali regions because those people who belong to this area(somaliland) are dangerouse ones, so keeping to remain the land on their hands as well as autorizing is a way of peacefull policy".. horn of Africa political digest said: Saaray.X

politics section

The newly-added information on the politics of Somaliland is mostly very good, except for this text at the end:

Now that the TNG has been placed on the back burner, the 'building block' approach to Somali state building has again returned to prominence. Although many nascent states along the Somaliland model have been tried and have failed, renewed efforts are taking place in Puntland, Bay and Bakool, and other regions. Yet, the question remains on whether the Somaliland model can be employed in the more troubled southern regions of Somalia. The south received the brunt of the civil war in the 1990s and was also the primary area affected by UN intervention, which strengthened the hold of the warlords. In addition, in the south the conflict undermined many of the relations between the clans, and helped widen clan divisions in an already heterogeneous region. Thus, prospects for peace-building must focus on the kind of grass-roots model employed in Somaliland. These initiatives can only succeed, however, if regional polities focus on power-sharing and compromise, rather than on an ethnically hegemonic attempt to control political resources.

Wikipedia shouldn't be making assertions about what "must" be done to construct stable governments in Africa (see WP:no original research). The text should probably be removed or rewritten to make fewer original claims. Neilc 21:06, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Somaliland is older than England ...

I'm no scholar on African history, but I do wonder if it NPOV to begin Somaliland history with it's status under British rule. The cultural roots of Somaliland as an organized and independent economic and political entity are ancient, stretching back to pre-Biblical times. For example, as referenced in : Myths of Babylonia and Assyria:

Like the early Egyptians, the early Sumerians may have been in touch with Punt (Somaliland), which some regard as the cradle of the Mediterranean race.

To be seriously considered Cradle of the Mediterranean race is a pretty important factoid for any national description, even if it turns out to be only a passing fad among archaeologists! Perhaps we just need a link to Land_of_Punt?

The article's topic is currently limited to Somaliland Protectorate and the Republic of Somaliland. Expansion (perhaps content could be added from History of Somalia?) of the History section is a good idea. --Wikiacc (talk) 20:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sultans of Somaliland.

It would be good if anyone was able to do some research about the Sultans & their Sultanates, which are now located within the Republic of Somaliland. - (Aidan Work 06:42, 2 December 2005 (UTC))

King Osman, M abdulle Hassan.

There was never any sultan in that region.

Transportation & possible copyvio

Someone added quite a bit of information in a new "Transportation" section. It was obviously pasted in from another source, with formatting that wasn't rendered by the Wikipedia. Thus far I am unable to find this source online. (It resembles other Country Studies, but I'm not sure these exist for unrecognized countries.) I have pasted the text below, so if it's OK to use we can put it back in the article, but if it does turn out to be a copyvio I guess it needs to be removed from here, as well. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

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TRANSPORTATION Railroads: None.

Paved Roads: Roads of all categories totaled 17,850 kilometers: 1,245 km are paved, 3,100 km gravel and the rest are improved earth (stretches frequently impassable in rainy seasons). Main paved roads are extended from Western to the Easter regions of the country as well as the South, the frontiers of Somaliland and Ethiopian . There are also a number of road links and improvements (resurface) made over the last five years, including the Berbera Corridor, which extends from Berbera, the Somaliland’s main Red Sea port to the regions of eastern Ethiopia. The Paved roads include: Hargeisa through Berbera to Burao Hargeisa through Gabilay to Borama Berbera through Burao to Lasanod Civil Aviation: Three paved civilian airports and a number of widely-scattered gravel airfields. Main airports, include Egal International Airport at Hargeisa and Berbera International Airport, the longest runway in the continent of African. International flights operate to and from Egal and Berbera Airports, and linking domestic flights to the other major cities and towns in Somaliland. Three major and privately owned airlines (Dallo Airlines, Star Airlines and Air Afrique) are the main carriers for both the domestic as well as International flights to and from Somaliland. Ports and Shipping: Berbera on the Red Sea is the main port of Somaliland with Deepwater facilities; other ports include Maydh and Heiss. The Berbera Port modernization program launched in latter half of 2005 by the government of Somaliland with financial, technical and moral contributions made by its people in Diaspora, the private sector and the European Union EU has significantly improved cargo handling capabilities, road linkage to Ethiopia and increased number of berths and deepened harbor at Berbera.

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Religion

Is Somaliland a secular state? Its articles don't mention the state's relation to religion. Joffeloff 11:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

international recognition

The first sentence should be changed. If Somaliland is oficially recognized as a state by Ethiopia then it is not an unrecognized state (as the article says), but a state that is not yet recognized by many countries (all except for one...) --Blauerflummi 22:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Some links/sources about this Ethiopia recognition? 199.64.72.252 14:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

There is a link about Wales recognizing Somaliland. While Wales is not a sovereign nation, perhaps it would be appropriate to add it "Independance --> Recognition" section? (with a note that Wales is part of the UK, not a separate country.)