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Thanks for the help with the mass revert on the Number-fidler account. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Sagat (rapper) Jump Chico Slamm

Hello Howicus,

I spoke to you about the Sagat (rapper) and Jump Chico Slamm Pages.

I wondered how I should go about getting you the information that I compiled to correct the wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerumino (talk • contribs) 01:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kerumino. Well, if the information is website links, post it here or at Talk:Sagat (rapper). If it's not available online, then my ability to help you may be limited, since I can't verify the info myself. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 02:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Howicus I do have some comments with supporting links that may be of help.

funk Dat was a crossover song with a total reach to 46 countries. (not a minor hit)

so even though it wasn't a "major hit" I believe the description "minor hit"

is unnecessary

1. 3 In Billboards Us Dance Club Play
2. 54 U.S. R&B Charts

http://www.musicvf.com/song.php?id=36322&artist=Sagat&title=Why+Is+It%3F+%28Fuk+Dat%29

Billboard hot 100 chart 17 weeks peak at #63 http://www.song-database.com/chhist.php?sid=22221&from=spu&type=ht

1. 1 on the Dutch dance Charts

http://dancehistory.nl/charts/top500-1991-2000/9

1. 77 In the Top 100 Dance Charts for 1994

http://dancechart.net/1994-top-100-dance-charts

1. 25 Top 40 Uk

http://www.officialcharts.com/archive-chart/_/1/1993-12-04/ http://www.officialcharts.com/artist/_/sagat/

Inspite of the statement "a minor hit" Sagat Funk Dat and Fuk Dat

Appear in over 25 Remixes and 60 compilations.

from 1993-2012 As of Early January 2014 This is a very popular underground song in EDM.

Comps http://www.discogs.com/artist/11915-Sagat#t=Appearances_Compilations&q=&p=1

Remixes http://www.discogs.com/artist/11915-Sagat#t=Appearances_Mixes&q=&p=1

Influence on other Artist http://www.rap-up.com/2010/10/19/video-premiere-nina-sky-you-aint-got-it-funk-that/

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/65123/Nina-Sky-You-Aint-Got-It-%28Funk-That%29-Sagat-Funk-Dat/

many more by search terms "funk dat remix" and "fuk dat remix"

I don't know of any songs that can be called a "minor hit" that have so much impact 20 years later.

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerumino (talk • contribs) 18:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

On Sagat:

Soundtracks

• "The Kiss of Death"

<Fuk Dat Written by Faustin Lenon Performed by Sagat Courtesy of PolyGram Records http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113552/soundtrack> NOTE: Fuk Dat and Funk Dat are both Produced By. Jump Chico Slamm http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=517003 http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=348421

Jump Chico Slamm

Production

• Hermann Carter Tumblin down E-Legal records 1992

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=67201

• Tapp It's Your Birthday e.P. Yeah Yeah 1993
• Sagat Fuk Dat Maxi 1993
• Sagat Funk Dat Maxi 1994
• Blaksam Mr. Phat (pockets) Max'n 1994
• Tommye Miller [[I need to go away (all by mself) id 1993

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=162192

• Sagat Luvstuff Maxi 1994
• Tapp Summertime CLR 1997
• Sagat My Poem Is L.P. Maxi 1994
• Sagat Get Outta My Face Maxi 1995

Remixes

• C.A.T. "The Lowride (song)-Jumpnslamm mix" 1992

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=5092869

Discography

• "Make You Sweat/Make You wet" Cuzn 1989
• "Slamm Project" Cajual 1993

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=7347

• "Jamma Quadrant One" "Batte Con" CLR 1995
  • • • http://www.groovecollector.com/mp/jamma-quadrant-one-chico-slamm-summertime/r/2966997281/ ***

• • • http://www.groovecollector.com/mp/artist/jamma-quadrant-one/?srt=1 ***

• "Galactic Alignment" Rush Hour 2012

http://www.discogs.com/Jump-Chico-Slamm-Galactic-Alignment/release/3682733

• "Pyrotechnics E.P." Cyberjamz 2012

http://www.discogs.com/Jump-Chico-Slamm-Jump-Chico-Slamm-and-Faustin-Lenon-Pyrotechnics-EP/release/3687117

• "The Way You Move" Imperial Underground 2013

https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Jump_Chico_Slamm_The_Way_You_Move?id=Bqm4o35d6324g3dtvs6mg54msdq

Jump Chico Slamm and Chico Slamm are original monickers used as a Producer beginning in 1989

Jump Chico Slamm is a member of Jamma Quadrant One

• • • • http://www.groovecollector.com/mp/jamma-quadrant-one-chico-slamm-summertime/r/2966997281/ ***

• • • http://www.groovecollector.com/mp/artist/jamma-quadrant-one/?srt=1 ***

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B007BBIVGG/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1062667/a/jamma+quadrant+one.htm

http://winniecooper.net/tag/jamma-quadrant-one/

http://www.salespider.com/cpida-6bfc9262133d3a0a4fb0978b8423f9d3/summertime-jamma-quadrant-one-12

http://www.tower.com/vatte-con-vinyl/wapi/119771265

http://www.recordsale.de/eng/php/Search.php?fo=Jamma%20Quadrant%20One&in=author&in2=title&fo2=Summertime&media=Vinyl&condition=0&step=50&sortby=titlea-z

http://wikibit.net/mp3/Jamma-Quadrant-One

https://www.gemm.com/store/BRR/item/JAMMA-QUADRANT-ONE-SUMMERTIME-12-/1430608285

http://cdnavigator.com/s-1280458.htm

(Jump Chico Slamm is a producer entity and uses "Other names" to represent his Vocal Artistry or as an M.C./recording artist. ---sUPPORTING Sagat as a secondary artist name apart from Jump chico Slamm.)

(notice the release date 1992 - 1 year before Sagat Fuk Dat was released)http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=67201)

http://rushhourmusic.com/?p=1032 http://www.allmusic.com/album/handraizer-mw0000116040 http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2011/09/andy_rooney_retirement_kurt_cobain.php http://www.mtv.com/artists/sagat/

Top 200 tracks of the 90s http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/7854-the-top-200-tracks-of-the-1990s-200-151/

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Beavis_and_Butt-Head

Blacksam M.C. Also Jump Chico Slamm under the Alias "Blacksam" http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=526595

Proposed sidebar -

Jump Chico Slamm, Jump "Chico" Slamm, Chico Slamm

{{Infobox musical artist |name = Jump Chico Slamm |image =Jump Chico Slamm.jpg |image_size = 200px |caption = Chico Slamm in 2012. |background = solo_singer |birth_name = Faustin Moran Lenon |birth_date = (1970-01-04) January 4, 1970 |birth_place =[[Fort Bragg, N.C.], U.S. |origin = Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. |instrument = Vocals, synthesizer, keyboards, turntables, Latin Percussion, Congas, Timbales |genre = House, Drum and Bass, Carribean, Hip House, Fusion |occupation = Record producer, Label Owner, rapper, Songwriter, singer, D.J. |years_active = 1989–present |label = Imperial Underground, (current)
Yeah Yeah, CLR, Cajual E-Lega, Maxi, Cuzn, Max'n, Dj World, id, (former) |associated_acts = Hermann Carter, Jamma Quadrant One, Sagat (rapper), Tapp, C.A.T., Chico Slamm |website = jumpchicoslamm.com

IMAGE of Jump Chico Slamm https://twitter.com/JumpChicoSlamm

Faustin Lenon and Jump Chico Slamm as Songwriter - see credits http://www.discogs.com/artist/719249-Faustin-Lenon http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=67201 http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=526595 http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=162192

Proposed Categories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Musicians_from_Baltimore,_Maryland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:House_music

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Electronic_dance_music_genres

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African-American_male_rappers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African-American_record_producers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_music_industry_executives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Remixers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_dance_musicians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_house_musicians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_electronic_musicians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songwriters

Jump Chico Slamm Current Label: Imperial Underground Records https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Jump_Chico_Slamm_The_Way_You_Move?id=Bqm4o35d6324g3dtvs6mg54msdq

So basically this should be enough information to put things in perspective differentiating between Jump Chico Slamm as a producer established years before Sagat --Sagat is not a rapper who produces as Jump Chico Slamm --Jump Chico Slamm is a "Music Producer / Record Producer" who uses "Sagat" amongst other aliases

 as an M.C. or as some say (Rapper)

supporting Sagat has changed the Artist name to Sagatmanchu http://www.reverbnation.com/artist_877246/bio https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sagatmanchu/128895690459600?sk=info http://www.youtube.com/user/SAGATMANCHU http://deephousepage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215881 http://www.reverbnation.com/sagatmanchu

I hope this is the way to get this started. I use discogs for the actual proof provided by the printed label of the said release. Thank You Much for your Help Howicus

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Cowhen1966

Howicus, I recognize you from the live chat. Now! I am also an aspiring editor, and I hope that I will be seen as being fair and adhering to Wikipedia's ethical policies. Just wielding your powers for yeilding sake is an abuse of power and it is against Wikipedia's policies. If you Bothered to take the time to read the correspondence between myself and Wgolf you would realise that Wgolf KINDLY asked me to categorise my Article- Something that such an EXPERT like you did not pick up on. Thanking him and asking him to remove the box was purely based on the Box regarding the categorization. I Was at no point referring to the hideous box at the top. But people like you and Santaku and Huon on the live desk are DRUNK with power! I am systematically and speedily working on my referencing so that I can move to other articles. But when people like yourselves try and make it harder for people tp progress to the next stage then it becomes PERSONAL. If you do not like the way I work or other people work Wikipedia has a method of Arbitration. Oh by the way, I hope I'm not talking to a BOT D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowhen1966 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 14 February 2014 (UTC) Cowhen1966 (talk) 09:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cowhen1996. First off, I want to be clear that I hold nothing against you personally or against Cecil Jay Roberts. My interest is in making sure that your article is in line with Wikipedia's policies. The box at the top lists issues with the article. It shouldn't be removed until those issues are resolved. I didn't see your conversation with Wgolf. All I saw is that they removed the box, and I don't think it should be removed yet. The article still needs independent, reliable sources to support the material in the article, especially since Roberts is a living person.

Another thing though...you've mentioned "abuses of power" a few times. I want to make it clear, I'm just a volunteer editor like you. I don't have any more power than you, just experience. If you're feeling harassed or bullied, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to make Wikipedia better (and I realize that's what you're trying to do too). Howicus (Did I mess up?) 23:49, 14 February 2014

Hello Howicus, Thanks for your response and all points have been noted. in future, I would endear you to take the time to check an editor's history so that you will be well informed of all correspondence! That way, we can avoid unnecessary editorial conflicts and possible vandalism. I say this because if you had checked Wgolf or my history, you would have noticed that I told him I was working on the referencing. You could have then given me some time to work on it rather than overriding Wgolf's action .That is what I mean by abuse of power. The fact that we can slap boxes on each other's work doesn't mean that we shouldn't have any relational ethics. Perhaps we can achieve more. For the record, I do not feel bullied or harassed at all- I was just drawing your attention to proper working relations among editors. I have pasted the guidelines that hopefully we should all be working towards. This article refers to the General standards and the declining of a submission. However, for the purposes of this correspondence I am referring to the General Standards and I hope this clears up the confusion. I hope to cite all my sources today after which I will alert you and kindly ask you to remove the box. Looking forward to working with you and meeting some other editors at the tea house. From one editor to another, Cowhen1966Cowhen1966 (talk) 16:09, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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Howicus, I have qouted all the sources I used to write the article. At least one good thing has come out of this, and that is, I must back up every statement I make with a source. Now, I can get on with some REAL work and help others quote their sources appropriately. Thanks for the heads up! Much appreciated and hope there are no hard feelings. The last thing we want is to get into juvenile editorial conflict. At least you have saved me from getting sued or from any possible libel. Do remove the box as soon as you get a minute. Regards and thanks!Cowhen1966 (talk) 20:23, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Howicus, since I have not heard from you, I may need to request for mediation. I do not want to get into edit warring with you. I am asking you nicely once again to review your contribution to the page I created. I am willing to give you 24 hours to make the changes. Failing that I will have to start a process of arbitration. I am new to this, and if i feel that people are targeting my work unfairly then I will involve administators to tell me where I am going wrong if at all? In good faith,Cowhen1966 (talk) 23:23, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, could you tell me again what changes these are, exactly? Howicus (Did I mess up?) 23:40, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I beg your pardon?Cowhen1966 (talk) 23:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You said "I am willing to give you 24 hours to make the changes." What did you mean by that?

Also, I have posted a message at Talk:Cecil Jay Roberts listing some concerns I have about the sources used in the article. I thought you might want a more detailed explanation of my concerns, and I placed it on the talk page so that other editors watching the page will see it too. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 23:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

24 hours is more than enough to remove the template. If you do not remove the template, then you will begin an edit warring seeing as your reason for putting the template on my article is subjective. I have seen the articles you have created some of which have even been declined. I sincerely want to treat you with good faith and adopt good practice. I expect you to act as hastily as you did to vandalise my article by removing the box. I have cited Independent sources so if you dont like them that is your problem. The rest is subjectiveCowhen1966 (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I think you're a bit unclear on how Wikipedia defines independent sources. On Wikipedia, "independent source" means independent from the subject of the article. This essay explains the definition well.

As far as the tag goes, I still feel the article needs improvement, as I detailed at the talk page, and I'm just using the tags to show where the room for improvement is. I don't think the tags should be removed until the issues are fixed. The article is improving, but it's not quite there yet. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)I HAVE POSTED A LINK ON THE ARTICLE'S TALKPAGE! PERHAPS YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXCERPT WITH REGARDS TO COMMON SENSE EVALUATION. THERE IS MORE INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO WIKIPEDIA GUIDELINES ON THAT PAGE. HOPE IT HELPS. As fr the article I will invlove arbtration so I'm informing you now.Cowhen1966 (talk) 03:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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Oh and by the way, I DO FEEL BULLIIED AND HARRASSED BY YOURSELF AND SITEKU. Why did you remove my template? Are you starting an editting war?Cowhen1966 (talk) 03:54, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you feel bullied and harassed, it was not my intention to do so. I don't think arbitration is the right solution here, but I won't (and can't) stop you from seeking it if that's what you feel is needed. Also, if you're referring to the template on Italian cruiser San Marco, I did not remove it. You're a good-faith editor, I know that, and I'm sorry to see that you're frustrated. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I am also sorry that we got off on the wrong foot! In fact, Cowhen1966 (talk) 16:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)now that I have had time to look at the past few days leading up to this, I realise that Siteku is the one who has been stirring things up! Can you believe he has gone as far as to put my article up for deletion? Anyway, I want you to know that I do not hold any grudges against you. And if you happen to be in touch with Huon, please tell him I am sorry! Regards!Cowhen1966 (talk) 16:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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