User talk:Floquenbeam

Very clever

Yes, very clever, template guy. I went to remove the "for you" part of your post, which implied so egregiously that I'm one to care whether the template links to the MfD or not — that I'm some sort of nurse or carer of the whole business. But I realised in time that several people involved in the discussion would be only too delighted to revert me in two crimson seconds, with an uptight edit summary about "changing another user's post", with a fucken link to the appropriate policy. We can't have that, Zilla wouldn't like it. [With tempered menace:] Kindly remove the "for you" yourself. With a humble edit summary, mind. We wouldn't want Zilla to swallow you whole. Bishonen | talk 20:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC).

I think Floquenstein's monster could actually defeat 'Zilla in a pitched battle, if it came to that. But I'll pick my battles. Luckily, Southern American English has a second person plural. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• Southern American English! What precisely is Southern American English? I'm not going to click on the link because dearest Giano has warned me about clicking on strange links - my computer history is whiter than white, which is more than can be said for some of those editing here I suspect. However, One sometimes feels that one is the only true English speaker here. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 21:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• Why, it's the version of English spoken in South America, of course. I suppose in Guyana (I assume you would still call it British Guiana). --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• [Incredulously:] Defeat Bishzilla? That must be some good shit you're smoking. But the change you've made, though hardly ideal, is acceptable iff you have spent most of your life in the American South. (Please don't confuse the issue, Lady C.) [Cannily.] I understand from your posts in another venue that people have to shovel a lot of snow where you live, huh? Arctic conditions, apparently. Are you masquerading as a southerner, sir? Bishonen | talk 21:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC).

  Southern blood, but not raised that way. Still, my Mama says it, so I can say it too. I even speak with a slight Southern accent if I've talking to her for a while; it kind of oozes into your subconscious. She serves pre-sweetened iced tea to visitors, too, but I don't do that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ya'll can all kiss my Southern-born, Southern-bred, Southern-livin', lily-white ass.  :-) Tex (talk) 20:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Dialogue w/ you

(For some reason my Talk won't load. [Maybe it is too big.] So am replying here.)

there's an ArbCom request for a case about your behavior leads me to believe you aren't taking other peoples' concerns about this seriously.

"Other peoples'". That puts everyone in one basket. I don't weigh all editors' comments equally. (For example, User:Northern Atlantic. I can't take anything he says seriously, because he has lost all credibility with me. Look at his AutomaticStrikeout RfA 2. It was an abuse of process. His filing the RFAR was an abuse of process. [His concern didn't belong there. I'm still learning WP policy, but even I can see that.] Is there a pattern here? [He opens RfA, and RFAR, even though dead-on-arrival, to make a point. That's POINTy, and my understanding is that kind of behavior, which is clearly his pattern, is also considered disruption.]) Anyone with a computer can open an RFAR. The fact this person did, who has a history of POINTy disruption, ... I'm supposed to give that my respect? The comments by SummerPhD are nothing but baiting and throwing mud and shit, completely reminiscent of ANI cesspool comments. [She even states she is filled up with the "unpleasantness" already in the thread. Do you know what she's referring to? I haven't posted there. Did she presume I had?])

Floq, I'll respect things that deserve respect. Respect is something earned. If you want to use your power and authority to demand I respect that which I cannot, how is that not totalitarianism?

I respect Drmies 89 percent more than I respect either Northern or Summer. But Drmies called my Talk page "full of lies". I've gone to his User talk and complained about the offense and asked him to back up his accusation. Nothing. He also borrowed a thread of diffs where I've used rude language that were put on a Project Talk page by a project editor who dislikes me, in order to smear and bait and defame. Drmies did that on MrX's Talk. It was completely unnecessary, and a tacky turn for an admin. But when Drmies comments about me at the current RFAR, it is as though he is Mr. Clean. Sorry.

Kevin Gorman pontinficates about "what to do about incivility on the WP -- better we do something sooner than later". Well golly golly. All his comments there presuppose that he is talking about others (no doubt Eric Corbett), and as though he is not part of the incivility to which he refers. (Should I comment at the RFAR about that blind presumption?!)

I could write a mile of text there. I have many comments. I have many thoughts. But not among them is to bow down to exaggerated and distorted defamations. If you like me to discuss anything concretely and specifically with you, or anyone else does, over any exchanges or diffs, I'm happy and willing to do same in good faith. But to be shamed and humiliated without specifics and chance for discussion on those specifics, isn't a positive process.

You have tried to be concrete with me re Gorman Talk by saying I put snark there? (Did you?) Well, perhaps. But only in reply to snark from him. I did not start it if there is snark there. It's not my interest to further the snark if there is snark there. But one cannot realistically expect Jesus-like behavior when someone initiates snark. Kevin causes and creates his own problems. I am not looking to trap him. He could respond professionally and objectively as an admin should. He doesn't. That's not WP:ADMINACCT behavior. So why do you protect his use of snark? Why do you go after me, an editor who does not elect to initiate snark, only responds to it? (I agree with you however, that I should not have reiterated the "haven't you done enough in the direction of misrepresenting Eric Corbett"; even though I believe that is distinctly true, you're right, that turf has been covered. Then again, he continues doing in small ways.) He needs an attitude check. But I understand now your directive re Kevin Gorman issues and will abide.

Here's something I would write at the RFAR, if I would post there. There is a clear and unmistakable pattern going on here. In Kaldari, Gorman, and Northern. Each have such huge "Malleus-hatred" in them, they end up going nuts about it and doing irrational things. (Kaldari socked. In spite of Gorman's professed good-faith motivations, his comments later re civility & Eric Corbett have belied all of that. There's no doubt in my mind he used his new adminship to attack Eric in a long-standing wish to. He detected what he thought was an opportunity at the Jimbo Talk thread, and he threw himself on it full-body. Northern expressed at the Kevin Gorman RFAR, that Kevin "took issue" with Eric, and "did not behave ideally", and "perhaps Arbcom should consider taking decisive action against Eric Corbett now, instead of later". Northern's acting out his "Malleus-hatred" is less blatant policy violation, but still utterly irrational at its base.) Now, to continue supporting this observation, see how Resolute wrote "Yes, Kaldari did a wrong thing. But what needs here is for Arbcom to look at the why." As though Eric Corbett is responsible directly or indirectly for Kaldari's choices to sock! And the pattern is confirmed by Northern also blaming me in an ANI and also on my User talk, that yes, I as editor was responsible for Kaldari's socking, because Kaldari needed to sock to avoid my "shouting at him". All of these arguments are irrational of course, and my thesis for you is, it is a clearly distinct and undeniable pattern. And it's not good. In fact, that is the problem. All Eric Corbett wants to do is write/edit articles. You have people like Kaldari, Gorman, and Northern going around with active social reformation agendas. Corbett has no agenda other than to contribute to the encyclopedia. Ditto Giano. I like to think I share the same. The editors that need reeling in are those in possession of CIV agendas so powerful they flip out and commit irrational acts under the pressure. They can't handle it. Then they try to dump guilt and blame on other editors to excuse themselves and take themselves out of criticism. Kevin Gorman's comments in the current RFAR are filled with presumptuous self-denial that his incivility isn't among the most pernicious. Ditto Kaldari's and Northern's comments elsewhere.

(You have a big problem here! Solve it by tomorrow, OK? I trust you will!) ;) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 21:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

When you go into Ferocious Wolverine Mode^(TM) every time someone looks at you the wrong way, eventually you lose credibility. If you called me a WP:DICK, my first thought would be "LOL". If, say, User:Writ Keeper called me a WP:DICK, my first thought would be "WK is a pretty reasonable person. I bet I just did something really offensive and wrong". That's like the whole purpose of rudeness or strong language. I could not care less if you, or someone else, occasionally loses their temper, or is offended by something, or speaks more "directly" than usual. But when you use it all the time, it loses its power, and you just end up looking foolish. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

why'd you ping me, you dick? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@Floq, I haven't reacted the way you don't like "all the time". Only when I have been attacked with bullshit. So perhaps you should also look at the frequency of the attacks, and you would find all the reactions from me stem directly and immediately from them. (It is easy to fall into invalid assumption. Since you aren't on receiving end of frequent bullshit attacks like others like Eric Corbett, the WP seems essentially a fairly OK-civil place to you. But you are not in others' shoes. And you're missing my point that people like Kaldari, Gorman, and Northern have active agendas, and they are essentially "on the hunt".) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 22:01, 12 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. "[...] tossed naked and covered in gravy into a room with a wolverine high on angel dust." --George Carlin

May I just say this? I understand your frustration, and frequently feel it myself, but we have to choose our battles carefully. The Gorman issue is essentially over now as is the Kaldari issue, at least for the time being; time to move on. But there will be another one along shortly. Eric Corbett 22:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I hear both you & Floq. Thx. I note that Giano is still under fire, however. Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 22:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Giano is pretty much always under fire, but he's a big boy and quite used to it. What we need to do is to build up an overwhelming body of evidence against the admin corps as a whole, not just waste our time by trying to pick them off one by one – not that I'm against that of course. But the system has to change, and to change it we have to work within the rules, however naive we may think them to be. Eric Corbett 22:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

"In general, Wikipedia's sick thrive on the incivility of others, they hunt it down and seek it out. Giano, User:Giano/On civility & Wikipedia in general". "The way to avoid 'incivility' is to avoid the triggers for it. --Malleus Fatuorum 13:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)" There are some extremely smart and wise people here. They should be listened to and respected. (Has anyone ever asked Eric Corbett to make recommendations re CIV policy, admin role, or IP editors? Why not? Because no one is interested to change those things and WP is fine as-is? The top content editors (collectively) know the problems and the solutions. Why is that resource never tapped? The idea of "admin for life" creates all the power craziness here. Isn't that obvious?) The wise people here are the sole source of motivation for productive editing I personally have. (And speaking of, will someone let Penyulap out of jail, please? He's one of the smartest and funniest editors ever.) Thanks for your consider. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Someone has (asked Eric), also wise and sadly missed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thx, Gerda! (Didn't know. Reached same conclusion recently. It's logical. [No editors are treated differently. Unfairness evaporates.] Even Kevin Gorman discovered he concurred w/ Eric "over one thing", thought it "strange", but it was an important moment: all editors must be treated the same. [Elim the CIV bat, and instant equality.] And did anyone ever consider that personal behaviors might in general elevate under an "on-your-honor" plan? Instead of at the barrel of a gun? [Because people give their best when giving voluntarily. The encyclopedia and its content editors have already proved that.]) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 23:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. Floq I know I've asked perhaps too much of you already, but can you add to ensure WP:CIV is deleted by tomorrow morning!? (Sorry for short notice. You're really a peach--thanks a bunch!)

I show "Every editor is a human being" on my user page for years now (serving also as a reminder to self), - and just added "on vacation". I recommended a stroll to Kevin, everyone is welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Someone didn't get the news. [1] Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

MarcusBritish

Notices of blocks by Arb Com are supposed to be there, a sock of the user keeps removing it and the same user has been blocked indef, also did you see that IPs edit summaries here? [2]