Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs

Disambiguation page for "Inhaler" song vs artist

The wiki music entry for "Inhaler" is specific to the song "inhaler", however there is also an artist named "inhaler" who has been releasing albums since 2002.

Having said, this, the Hooverphonic song "inhaler" is totally awesome! (so is most of "inhaler"s stuff too imo)

Unwell genre add

This Matchbox Twenty song is more than just a pop rock, it also more of an alternative rock song and this band was known as both an alternative rock and pop rock group. I added it with a reference to both genres and if you don't believe me, you may weigh-in at my talk: User talk:Hjfcool#Unwell (song)

"Pantomime" by Incubus

Was the original studio version of the Incubus song "Pantomime" on the Alive at Red Rocks EP recorded for A Crow Left of the Murder but left off the album? 173.51.123.97 (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Single or song infobox

Despite the issue being raised more than once in recent years, there is still no clear division between the use of {{Infobox single}} and {{Infobox song}}. Please can someone give, or point to, an unambiguous guide to the distinction between, and intended usage of, the pair? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

i don't really see how this is a problem except in modern cases where an advance track (or something similar) is released digitally before an album. and, in those cases i think we should follow the term used by the artist/label and other sources. if it isn't explicitly called a single, it's just a song. ~ Boomur [☎] 17:57, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but that doesn't really answer my question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

i'm a bit confused. the single box can be used for a single, and song for a song. i think i might misunderstand the question? ~ Boomur [☎] 17:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

The opening line of our article One Slip is "One Slip" is a song from Pink Floyd's 1987 album A Momentary Lapse of Reason. Without looking, which infobox should the article use? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

i don't think that's a question of which infobox—the opening line should simply say single instead of song? ~ Boomur [☎] 19:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A single is not a song and a song is not a single. A song can also be a single and a single can also be a song! --Richhoncho (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

You've avoided my question: here's another. Which infobox should the article on Pink Floyd's 'Money' use? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

There's only two people not avoiding your question!!! That's quite different to not answering the way you would like us to answer!!! Anyway, I don't like the text you supplied, which was my comment and not addressed to you, but fair enough, I have now drafted a rewording, One Slip is a song written by David Gilmour and Phil Manzanera, performed by Pink Floyd. It has been released as both an A-side and a B-side and appears of the Pink Floyd album A Momentary Lapse of Reason. The point is, irrespective of the manner in which it was sent to the market place for the general public, it still remains a song.

In answer to your question, according to the single template, that template should be used for any single (A or B-side) release of a song.

One of the reasons I didn't respond quicker was because I no longer know what a single is - when I bought them waaay back, the single was the A-side and the B-side was just that, a B-side. Some editors at WP think that's changed and even want to classify B-sides as singles. Also a single was precisely that, a song available singly (irrespective of the fact they used both sides of the plastic!). I checked all the #1 Billboard albums for this year and every track on those 4/5 albums are available on itunes singly. So why aren't those singles?

Some editors seem to think radio and promotional singles are not singles, so I am even more confused. I wish somebody with more up-to-date knowledge could clarify that one! --Richhoncho (talk) 10:52, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

As it is related to newer music, any song that is made available for retail sale (digital download, CD single, 7', etc.) or radio play, singularly, is a single. As for you statement of "every track on those 4/5 albums are available on itunes singly," that is because following the album's release all songs can be purchased by themselves, however they do not have their own download page with their own information (cover, writers, label, performers), which would make them a single. Some editors like to call songs that did not receive much success "promotional singles", however according to that article, promo singles are released for free. So I have only called songs promo singles if they are in fact free. However, all articles should start how you said Richhoncho, introducing it as a song, then in the next sentence saying it is a single (if it is), and what album it was released in promotion of. As it is releated to the infobox, if it was released for retail sale as a single or officially serviced to radio as a single, use Template: Infobox single, if not then use Template: Infobox song. STATic message me! 15:53, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

So, is the proposition that an article about a song, which was not released commercially, should use {{Infobox song}}, but if it is then later released commercially, the infobox should be changed to {{Infobox single}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Technically all music is released commercially, at least in this internet age, the proposition is if there is a retail or radio release as a single, whether it be from its original premiere or months after the album's release, as its sixth/seventh single, its article should use the single template. The single template opens up other single only options that the song template does not have. However, if the song does not double as a single, the song template works just fine. STATic message me! 17:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

"Ooh Ooh Baby" disambguation and redirect pages

There is a Taral Hicks song called "Ooh, Ooh Baby," but there is also a Britney Spears song called "Ooh Ooh Baby." There needs to be a redirect page for both songs. Can anyone please make a disambiguation page and a redirect page for each song? 173.51.123.97 (talk) 05:37, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

i've modified the hatnote on "Ooh, Ooh Baby" to direct readers to the Britney Spears album containing "Ooh Ooh Baby", as the song itself has no article. ~ Boomur [☎] 20:21, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Data granularity redux

I've proposed some changes to {{Infobox single}}; please comment at Template talk:Infobox single#Data granularity redux. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:34, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Dr. Who!

The usage of Dr. Who! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is up for discussion, see Talk:Dr. Who! (Tujamo and Plastik Funk song) -- 70.24.250.192 (talk) 22:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Cocaine Blues and Woody Guthrie...

How could T. J. "Red" Arnall have written "Cocaine blues" when Woody Guthrie wrote it in 44??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.241.224.3 (talk)

That's probably a better question to ask on the article's talk page, instead of here. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Optional language field in song/single infoboxes

I'm hoping we can wind up and actually action the suggestion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs/Archive_9#Singles_template_Language_field? to allow editors an optional language field. This is particularly needed for (a) songs which aren't obvious, such as names Maria (song), and (b) for English-titled songs which are actually sung in Korean, Japanese, French or other languages despite an English title. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

There is discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_song#Language_field In ictu oculi (talk) 02:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Writer of "Statue of a Fool"

Jan Crutchfield is generally credited as the writer of this song, but David Ruffin is credited as the writer on his 1973 self-titled album. Ruffin also claimed that he wrote the song. The copyright office list both Crutchfield and Ruffin as writers of this song, but does not mention a date. Does anyone know who actually wrote it? 173.51.123.97 (talk) 07:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

BMI credits Jan Crutchfield only. That's good enough for me. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

The Song "Seattle" is also an instrumental recording (45RPM) by the band "The fabulous Wailers" {"Seattle" (Etiquette, 1963)} as shown on "The fabulous Wailers" wiki page.