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Community gardens in Omaha, Nebraska

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I merged this newly-created list into Community gardens in Nebraska, but it has been recreated by its creator as a stand-alone article. There is insufficient content to justify two articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• Delete or Change to List - Seems to me that this article might survive as something like List of community gardens in Portland, Oregon. Seems so trivial though, and I'm having trouble seeing the references. Deletion wouldn't be bad either. NickCT (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Well it was just started. The Portland list has been referenced as a model already, at Talk:Community gardens in Omaha, Nebraska. Notability of a list has already been established by discussion and references provided at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dundee Community Garden. Give it some time here. --doncram 22:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
    • The Portland list isn't a good example of how this should progress: two years after it was started, one entry is sourced to Facebook, another to a dead link on a site probably associated with the garden, and the rest to one source, a directory, and there's no lead section or any prose outside of the list entries. Peter James (talk) 23:04, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
    • If anything, that AfD decided that the list should be at Community gardens in Nebraska. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:20, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nebraska-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:29, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• Keep As I described in detail on the Talk:Community gardens in Omaha, Nebraska page, merging a list of Omaha gardens into a Nebraska gardens entirely misses the point of Community gardening. Omaha has a vibrant group of community gardens which are interrelated and work together e.g. Tour de Gardens bike tour. A list of other gardens hundreds of miles away doesn't contribute to encyclopedic knowledge in any way, and obscures the significance of a community in community gardening. In response to User:Pigsonthewing's comment "insufficient content to justify two articles", the article that should be kept is the one that is actively being developed by a number of editors, the article about community gardening in Omaha. At no time has any editing whatsoever been done to a list of garden across the entire state, other than the creation of the page in response to the AfD discussion of the now-defunct Dundee Community Garden article. - - - ScottHW (talk) 20:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC) - - -
  • Those editors can just as easily work at Community gardens in Nebraska. The community that purportedly exists in Omaha is of no consequence here; it's not Wikipedia's job to foster or promote that; and we can describe it just as well in the more widely-focussed article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:20, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge with Community gardens in Nebraska. Article is nothing but a chart. Doesn't matter how many people care deeply about it, WP:GNG is the guideline here. Community gardening is great and all that but seriously? Two lists? Naah. Montanabw^(talk) 20:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• Keep, and Call for immediate administrative closure. There's no need for AFD attention. A proposal to merge was previously opened, and is ongoing, at Talk:Community gardens in Omaha, Nebraska#Merger proposal. It was proposed by User:Gilliam in this notice calling for discussion and linking to where the discussion should happen. The current AFD nominator since removed the notice, and has since also commented at the discussion. This was all discussed also at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Pigsonthewing reported by Doncram (Result: Both blocked for 48 hours). The current AFD nominator was participating in the 3RR discussion at 18:06, and opened this AFD at 18:54, before being blocked. He was unblocked on basis that he "promised not to engage in further disruption," but had opened this AFD already. This AFD should just be closed.
  Seriously, there is no need for far-away editors to apply attention here, it is just extending dramah. Let the editor(s) developing content on community gardens do what they want to do, and they will make sensible decision to merge in due time, if there is not sufficiently different material for two lists. If anyone wants to butt in, do contribute to the article, and/or comment at the ongoing merger proposal, a less confrontational medium than AFD. Assume good faith and some competence on the part of the productive editor(s). --doncram 22:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
  • And you were the other blocked editor. If you wish to assert that this AfD is disruptive, take the matter to ANI; otherwise you should strike your false allegations here. And do explain the significance and meaning of "far-away editors". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
    • "False allegations"? And you surmise something untoward from my use of "faraway" term? Not faraway = editor ScottHW, who I perceive to be local, and Ammodramus who takes pics in Nebraska and offers at ScottHW't talk along those lines, and anyone else with balance of relevant local knowledge, interest, access to news sources that faraway editors don't have as easily. Faraway = everyone else, including me. Let's not personally battle; I don't expect to comment more here. --doncram 00:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Yes, Doncram, "false allegations", because you clearly can't substantiate them. And from your further comments, about "far-away editors" I now surmise that you believe that this matter only "needs" to be discussed by those who are geographically local to its subject. Wikipedia has a number of policies about that, not east WP:OWN. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
• Keep for now, it's a new article that's still being edited and not obviously inappropriate or of a type usually deleted. Discussion can continue on the talk page(s). Peter James (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
  • It may be a new article, but it's an unnecessary one, when we already have Community gardens in Nebraska. Why does that not suffice? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
    • The article Community gardens in Nebraska only exists as a response to a suggestion from the AfD discussion about Dundee Community Garden. It was created, with no content, at approximately the same time as I created the more appropriate Community gardens in Omaha, Nebraska, which actually represents a "community" of gardens. Every bit of the content on the Nebraska article was poached from the already-merged Dundee Community Garden article, and from the description (with sources), and the List, that I I put into the Omaha article, User:Pigsonthewing, I don't get what your deal is with this whole string of discussions, Deleting and Merging the articles that editors are actively trying to develop. If you don't want overlapping articles, then just allow the Nebraska article to be closed; no one wrote ANY content for it. I am actively developing the Omaha list, why should that one be the one to be closed??

ScottHW (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

• Merge to Community gardens in Nebraska. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:11, 27 May 2014 (UTC)