Talk:Washington Commanders

Based in Ashburn, Virginia

The Washington Redskins are headquartered in Ashburn, VA. I'm going to change to box at the bottom (similar to what the New York Jets have).

BRD for controversy section

Chahtaohoyo has recently made a bold edit see here. Opening this section to discuss it. In my opinion, it's a bit WP:UNDUE. The entire section can be summed up with the first sentence "Some notable NFL insiders have begun voicing their opinions on the team name" and incorporated into the rest of the section. Honestly the whole section needs trimming as WP:UNDUE. Likely got bulked up with WP:RECENTISM edits. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

It has been condensed to a single sentence & integrated into the other text, though the original edit added more context to the discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chahtaohoyo (talk • contribs)

Fair use or not?

This just in: the Redskins trademark has been revoked. Can anyone with expertise on the fair use issue kindly explore what this might mean for the use of Redskins images on this article? --Kaj Taj Mahal (talk) 18:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

If you read the news article they will appeal the decision and they retain copyright privileges during the appeals process. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Trademarks are totally separate and independent from copyrights. Although the trademark status may eventually change, copyrights will not. The logo will most likely still be under copyright, non-free usage. See also Wikipedia:Restricted materials. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Also note that there is a separate United States Copyright Office that handles copyrights in the U.S. But that is optional. While copyright in the U.S. automatically attaches upon the creation of an original work of authorship, the option to register with the Copyright Office puts the copyright holder in a better position to litigate. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:20, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Pardon my error but the underlying point is still the same: nothing has changed. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, apologies for my previous convoluted comments. Nothing has changed. The logos will still be under copyright and non-free, and thus must still be used under fair use. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Article title

Should this article be moved to Washington NFL team? The USPTO has ruled that they do not have a right to the trademark. Or should we wait until all appeals are exhausted? The title policy doesn't care that the name is offensive, but does ask that it be neutral. Which name accomplishes that better? Both are supported by reliable sources; "Redskins" currently has the majority, though there is a slow trend away from it. Ma^t_chups 01:33, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Matchups Nope. It's still using the name and still have TM over it while appeals play out. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Even if they lose all the appeals, they can still keep using the name if they want to. (And as long as they do, it should continue to be the article title). What the trademark does is give them exclusive rights to the name; without the trademark, anybody is allowed to sell Redskins merchandise and the team stands to lose lots of licensing fees. --ABehrens (talk) 04:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The Washington Redskins name change by Ron Robey

FIGHT FOR OLD D.C. AND KEEP OUR REDSKINS NAME!!!

It's a proven fact that 90% of Native Americans are not offended by the NFL team named the Washington Redskins.  I would imagine that 10% of Native Americans are also offended by the label "Native Americans."  In addition, you could further make an argument that 35% would rather be referred to as one of the 566 Native American Tribes legally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs of the United States.  The Washington Redskins are certainly a team that is in the center of the "Politically Correct" atmosphere of our Nations Capital.  For this reason the Washington Redskins should absolutely be protected as it's heritage and history runs deep like roots of a tree into America.

I would have to say that the Dallas Cowboys and their owner Jerry Jones are behind this name change distraction. With the Redskins recent acquisition of DeSean Jackson and successfully securing their key returning veterans, the Cowboys are in que for another 8 and 8 season. Maybe if they could get this "Washington Redskins" name change conspiracy and this fumble of a trademark embarrassment to grab the short lived spotlight, it would be just enough to disrupt training camp. When the haters are piling up and you haven't started fighting yet, something great is about to happen in Jesus name! #HTTR

"STOP TAKING AWAY MY RIGHTS, FREEDOM AND HERITAGE BECAUSE OF A FEW OFFENDED PEOPLE"

Why can my daughters no longer say "One Nation under God" when they're reciting the Pledge of Allegiance at school?

Why are you politically incorrect when you say "Merry Christmas" to someone? Clearly a majority of people believe that Jesus Christ (the Son of God) was sent to earth to die for our sins.

How long before our slowly declining United States of America currency has "In God we Trust" removed from it because of offended people?

My Family Heritage is as important as my ancestors even though I apparently "Do Not" have the right to be offended being a Hetero-sexual Caucasian Male.

The Washington Redskins have been apart of my family for generations and I'm offended that you're offended enough to rob my heritage.

-Not a sermon, just a thought. Original Blog can be found at: http://washingtonredskins2014.blogspot.com/

The Washington Redskins name change by Ron Robey

FIGHT FOR OLD D.C. AND KEEP OUR REDSKINS NAME!!!

It's a proven fact that 90% of Native Americans are not offended by the NFL team named the Washington Redskins.  I would imagine that 10% of Native Americans are also offended by the label "Native Americans."  In addition, you could further make an argument that 35% would rather be referred to as one of the 566 Native American Tribes legally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs of the United States.  The Washington Redskins are certainly a team that is in the center of the "Politically Correct" atmosphere of our Nations Capital.  For this reason the Washington Redskins should absolutely be protected as it's heritage and history runs deep like roots of a tree into America.

I would have to say that the Dallas Cowboys and their owner Jerry Jones are behind this name change distraction. With the Redskins recent acquisition of DeSean Jackson and successfully securing their key returning veterans, the Cowboys are in que for another 8 and 8 season. Maybe if they could get this "Washington Redskins" name change conspiracy and this fumble of a trademark embarrassment to grab the short lived spotlight, it would be just enough to disrupt training camp. When the haters are piling up and you haven't started fighting yet, something great is about to happen in Jesus name! #HTTR

"STOP TAKING AWAY MY RIGHTS, FREEDOM AND HERITAGE BECAUSE OF A FEW OFFENDED PEOPLE"

Why can my daughters no longer say "One Nation under God" when they're reciting the Pledge of Allegiance at school?

Why are you politically incorrect when you say "Merry Christmas" to someone? Clearly a majority of people believe that Jesus Christ (the Son of God) was sent to earth to die for our sins.

How long before our slowly declining United States of America currency has "In God we Trust" removed from it because of offended people?

My Family Heritage is as important as my ancestors even though I apparently "Do Not" have the right to be offended being a Hetero-sexual Caucasian Male.

The Washington Redskins have been apart of my family for generations and I'm offended that you're offended enough to rob my heritage.

-Not a sermon, just a thought. Original Blog can be found at: http://washingtonredskins2014.blogspot.com/

The Washington Redskins name change by Ron Robey

FIGHT FOR OLD D.C. AND KEEP OUR REDSKINS NAME!!!

It's a proven fact that 90% of Native Americans are not offended by the NFL team named the Washington Redskins.  I would imagine that 10% of Native Americans are also offended by the label "Native Americans."  In addition, you could further make an argument that 35% would rather be referred to as one of the 566 Native American Tribes legally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs of the United States.  The Washington Redskins are certainly a team that is in the center of the "Politically Correct" atmosphere of our Nations Capital.  For this reason the Washington Redskins should absolutely be protected as it's heritage and history runs deep like roots of a tree into America.

I would have to say that the Dallas Cowboys and their owner Jerry Jones are behind this name change distraction. With the Redskins recent acquisition of DeSean Jackson and successfully securing their key returning veterans, the Cowboys are in que for another 8 and 8 season. Maybe if they could get this "Washington Redskins" name change conspiracy and this fumble of a trademark embarrassment to grab the short lived spotlight, it would be just enough to disrupt training camp. When the haters are piling up and you haven't started fighting yet, something great is about to happen in Jesus name! #HTTR

"STOP TAKING AWAY MY RIGHTS, FREEDOM AND HERITAGE BECAUSE OF A FEW OFFENDED PEOPLE"

Why can my daughters no longer say "One Nation under God" when they're reciting the Pledge of Allegiance at school?

Why are you politically incorrect when you say "Merry Christmas" to someone? Clearly a majority of people believe that Jesus Christ (the Son of God) was sent to earth to die for our sins.

How long before our slowly declining United States of America currency has "In God we Trust" removed from it because of offended people?

My Family Heritage is as important as my ancestors even though I apparently "Do Not" have the right to be offended being a Hetero-sexual Caucasian Male.

The Washington Redskins have been apart of my family for generations and I'm offended that you're offended enough to rob my heritage.

-Not a sermon, just a thought. Original Blog can be found at: http://washingtonredskins2014.blogspot.com/