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Evidence submission closed for DangerousPanda arbitration case

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi DP, the evidence submission for the case closed today, the drafting arbitrators are willing to grant a brief extension for you to rebut the evidence which has been submitted if you ask for it in a timely manner. However they intend that the case will progress on schedule. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello DP. It might be in your interest to take the opportunity to respond. The evidence is significant though not open-and-shut. (The best organized summary is perhaps in the page at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Evidence/RFCU). The most significant thing (to me) is your over-the-top rhetoric in some cases, for instance here. Callanecc said that you can provide rebuttal. I assume this means you can make a response at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Evidence. I don't see much chance of progress unless you're willing to make a concession that some things you did weren't a good idea. Why not ask User:Callanecc what section to respond in. It would be hard to be an admin and not make *any* mistakes. You might also make some promise on how you intend to use your multiple accounts in the future. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I haven't been involved in the case, or even really watching it, but I think it would certainly make sense for you to do what Ed suggests above. No one who has ever seriously considered being an admin, let alone anyone who has ever been one, honestly expects them to be perfect in all of their behavior. I have never gotten the impression that ArbCom tries to necessarily hold all admins to the standard of perfection. I have every reason to believe that any input you offer would be very seriously considered by the arbs and could very easily have a significant impact on their decision. John Carter (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Panda, I agree with Ed. Drmies (talk) 06:21, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: @EdJohnston: @John Carter: Oh, it has always been my intent to respond. However, even NE Ent - and Worm that Turned - knew that I was going to be away from Wikipedia for about a month before he filed his ArbCom case ... a little difficult to respond when I'm nowhere near a computer. Today's my first day back, and I've found a great number of surprises the panda ɛˢˡ” 17:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

• • FWIW, I think it would be s shame if ArbCom felt the need for drastic sanctions against you due to the absence of a response and clarification from you. IMO you're too good an admin for the project to lose you. (I believe that even if the Evidence section is closed, you can make your points in the Workshop.) BMK (talk) 02:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Why don't you all leave your thoughts in the Workshop? How many admin actions has DP done? Check the logs and count 'em. What percent of these actions have been criticised in the case? Is that an acceptable error rate? DP, are you so fed up with NE Ent hounding pursuing you that you are too nauseated worn down to respond? Does NE Ent have a history of hounding pursuing other administrators? These are all questions that should be addressed. I want to see both sides of this dispute presented effectively so there can be a fair result. Leaving the accusers to say whatever they like un-refuted is a mistake. Jehochman ^Talk 04:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Although NE Ent is, technically, an editor of Wikipedia, it has been a long time since he has been a contributor in any meaningful sense. He is, in fact, a free-rider, using Wikipedia as a debating club and a social experiment for his own political and philosophical concerns. I'm sure he believes that his behavior is useful to the project in some fashion, but we have far, far too many NE Ents around here, and would do well to redirect their energies into actually improving the encyclopedia; if that's not possible, they should be gotten rid of.

    One step towards redirecting them would be to start eliminating some of the large number of places which enable these folks to shirk actual editing in favor of social engineering. Another might be to institute some sort of quid pro quo whereby participation in those forums is dependent on a certain level of encyclopedia improvement.

    Certainly, what we should not be doing is rewarding the free-riders' lack of value to the project by taking them seriously when they unnecessarily cause problems for editors who actually contribute to the encyclopedia. When real contributors disagree with other real contributors, those are conflicts which deserve the energy and attention of the community to resolve; when free-riders like NE Ent are in conflict with real contributors, they should not expect to be given the time of day, which just encourages further shirking. BMK (talk) 05:58, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

    Funny rant! (No bias, for sure!) The arbcase is not yet closed, NE Ent is an involved party. So why not put your $ where your mouth is and go make a proposal for sanction ("they should be gotten rid of"), Mr. Big Stuff!? Ihardlythinkso (talk) 04:34, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

    • Re: "Mr. Big Stuff" Ouch, that hurt. What are you, 10? BMK (talk) 08:40, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Your Arb Case

Hey DP - It looks like you're going to lose your mop. I wanted to say that regardless whether you have the mop or not, you're still a valued editor. I don't want to see you go over losing a flag. Perhaps you weren't ready for it, perhaps the Arbs got this wrong - in either sense, you're still needed here. Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 23:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hell, yes. Speaking from experience here, it can be a lot easier to contribute to the encyclopedia in terms of content related matters without the bit than it is with it. Particularly with some of the new school programs and the access to databanks. I just today saw that there is actually going to be a class program related to the religion field beginning next month. Finally. That content, frankly, has been a bloody mess for years, and having some help in it will be wonderful. And the list of other school projects is a lot longer than I had thought. An experienced editor aware of the system can ultimately do a lot in those projects, or, even, just looking at the articles we don't yet have and helping build them.

Family issues can arise for everyone. Particularly if the family is close. And, honestly, this really is a particularly miserable time of year for anyone to bring anything to ArbCom.

Take off all the time for the holidays as you feel like. But I sincerely hope that you realize that in a lot of ways, particularly in directly content related matters, you can probably accomplish more without the bit than with it and having to do so many admin things. John Carter (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

It's not a requirement. But, would you refrain from using your 'alternate' account, at the case? GoodDay (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Also, signing your replies as "the panda" may confuse editors not "in the know". Like me. ```Buster Seven Talk 17:20, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Um, huh? My alternate account is for use when I'm not at home - because at home is the only secure place where I trust being logged into that admin account. When I am at work, or elsewhere, I log into my alternate account. I've already been accused of choosing to not participate in the case, are you therefore suggesting that I refrain from participating until I'm back at home? That seems counterproductive and counterintuitive, now that I'm actually available with Wikipedia actually being accessible to me! the panda ɛˢˡ” 17:39, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

TBH, I don't quite understand your reasoning. But, I'll just count that as a failing on my part & won't trouble you any further. GoodDay (talk) 14:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

• DP, regarding what and how to comment on the proposed decision my suggestion would be that you start a new level two section and comment on each of the proposals piece by piece (may a level 3 section each or however you want to format it) within that level two section. I'll put a discussion box around it so that there won't be threaded discussion within it and you can focus on the commenting on the decision then reply to others in a sub/another section. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hi DP, similar to Dusti, I hope you continue editing. In fact, I hope you regain your mop in due course. Your involvement with unblock requests will be missed. Kindest, PhilKnight (talk) 07:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Hi DP. I'm a newbie and just learning how to communicate with other Wikipedians. I just want to wish you a happy end-of-year holiday (if you observe it) and thank you for approving my request to reverse my erroneous block. May 2015 be your best year ever! EdnaClyde (talk 05:14, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda closed

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedy has been enacted:

1.1) For his violations of the standards of conduct expected of administrators, DangerousPanda (talk · contribs) is desysopped. He may regain the tools at any time via a successful request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, let me know when I actually get to participate in said case. the panda ₯’ 10:19, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 11:04, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hi DangerousPanda, this is just to inform you that I have removed administrator status from your main account and from 7SeriesBOT - the latter being in accordance with the bot policy. Now that's out the way, I hope you've been having a decent holiday season and I do wish you the best. Acalamari 12:07, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• • Actually, in response to your rather obviously biased comment here, I can honestly say, as someone who has been sympathetic to your situation, that the thing that virtually no one but you can consider legitimate are your rather transparent misrepresentations of fact regarding your own ability to edit and contribute to the discussion in an appropriate way at the appropriate time. Your comments, I regret to say, make it even harder for me to see anyone else ever necessarily trusting you in your statements of opinion again. Unfortunately. John Carter (talk) 16:28, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

(removed from inside archived area) @John Carter: I cannot fathom that lack of good faith. My family does not do laptops, tablets, etc. I'd scan hotel receipts, train tickets, etc, but that would violate my privacy even more. I did not control the time my in-laws spent here - but, as the man of the house, it was my job to keep them "entertained" as per cultural patriarchy. Since culturally they don't celebrate Christmas, I could not even install outdoor lights, decorate, etc until after they were gone, so I had t odo that after they left. I had to chauffeur them everywhere, and they wanted to see as much of the country that their daughter/sister had adopted (and Canada is, after all, a big country), plus a whackload of side trips. There was no humanly-possible way for me to be online. Hell, I got to play Farmville for the first time in ages on Christmas Eve (we don't do much Facebook usually, since most of the family don't even have internet yet!) the panda ₯’ 20:11, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

So you had no access to WP/chance to reply from the date the case opened (19th Nov) until it closed?! Yet you appear online about 2hrs after the verdict was given to complain about it. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 11:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

You'll want to recheck your timings. When I became available, I immediately began the process of replying to evidence, etc. Clear proof of my intent to participate the panda ₯’ 11:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Intent being the key word there. You then played the absentia card. Maybe all the users who thought you were a good editor would have lept to your defence? Oh, wait... Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

• You had supported an indefinite block(when I was the subject), later on you had closed that report with a nice message and you had given me some tips. I still remember that encouragement. You were a very nice admin and your knowledge of policies was amazing. Hope you won't give up. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:20, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I never really knew you, but as a fellow "abusive" ex-admin from another wiki, I'm all too familiar with what you're going through and I'm sorry it turned out the way it did. Best wishes for the future. ekips39 09:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hey DP. I have mixed feelings about the decision. It was kind of inevitable, which makes the case look like a show trial. I'm sure the arbs were well-intentioned, but I don't think there was any realistic prospect of it going any other way. I don't think you were the terrible admin you were made out to be by some parties, but admins are vulnerable because the good work goes mostly unnoticed. You made a few bad judgements, and you didn't always handle things as well as you could have, so it's hard to disagree with the ultimate result but it is a shame, and I hope you'll stick around and continue to do good work without the bit. I'm available if you need an admin for something. A belated merry Christmas and happy new year. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hi DP, I'm sorry to see that was how it went. ArbCom is a big black box to me, but for what little it's worth, I'm shocked and saddened. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

• DP, Harry has hit the nail on the head and I echo all his thoughts entirely. Arbs are generally a good bunch and, if anything, they are often too lenient. When an admin gets called to book however, it's a different ball game and the Committee is under enormous pressure to demonstrate that justice will be done. It's a shame you just happened to be that scapegoat. Take care, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:33, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Heather Morris (voice actress) for deletion

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Re creating page

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