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"They" vs. "It"

Over the past few days, myself and an IP editor, ‎173.177.18.229, have been debating weather to overuse Hoffers name within the article, and use the pronoun "it" while referring to them, or weather to use genderless pronouns "they/them". As Jinkx describes themself as agender, I see no harm in using "they/them" pronouns, which is accepted grammatical usage (See singular they) and used for other articles in which persons do not identify as cisgender like Angel Haze.

I am strongly against using the term "it" when describing Hoffer, such term is used in the Biography section "Hoffer found Russian Jewish ancestry on its mother's side." considering that Hoffer is a person, not a thing or an object, I'd even push to say it was offensive that "it" is used. I also oppose replacing many of the uses of they/them with Hoffer in the article, as overuse of their name reads poorly.

Alerting several editors in hopes they join in with the discussion, either because I've seen them edit Drag Race related content, or gender sensitive topics like Angel Haze. I'd appreciate people starting their comments with either *'''They''' or *'''It''' thankyou. Burnberrytree, Genya19, Hinnk, Kyleofark. Azealia911 _talk 01:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)([reply]

The debate is not really They vs It. I believe there is a way the article can be written, arguably more eloquently than by overusing 'Hoffer', without using they to refer to a single person as plural (Jerick Hoffer may self-identify as genderless, but that does not automatically means the use of 'they' is mandated + the use of such queer studies jargon can provide the impression to readers that somehow it's a split personnality issue) or it (since there appears to be outrage about its use). Unless the performer specifies that the use of the pronoun him for his regular persona and she as his drag persona his offensive, I don't see where the problem is here.

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	The debate is not really They vs It. I believe there is a way the article can be written, arguably more eloquently than by overusing 'Hoffer', without using they to refer to a single person (Jerick Hoffer may self-identify as genderless, but that does not automatically means the use of 'they' is mandated + the use of such queer studies jargon can provide the impression to readers that somehow it's a split personnality issue) or it (since there appears to be outrage about its use). Unless the performer specifies that the use of the pronoun him for his regular persona and she as his drag persona his offensive, I don't see where the problem is here.		The debate is not really They vs It. I believe there is a way the article can be written, arguably more eloquently than by overusing 'Hoffer', without using they to refer to a single person as plural (Jerick Hoffer may self-identify as genderless, but that does not automatically means the use of 'they' is mandated + the use of such queer studies jargon can provide the impression to readers that somehow it's a split personnality issue) or it (since there appears to be outrage about its use). Unless the performer specifies that the use of the pronoun him for his regular persona and she as his drag persona his offensive, I don't see where the problem is here.