Why did you close the debate less then a week after it was started? I could understand if the was an overwhelming consensus one way or the other, but there clearly wasn't. An AfD would get a fortnight long debate or longer and there are request move discussions continuing that were started much more than a week ago. So why was this debate cut short? [[User:Hera1187|Hera1187]] 06:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Why did you close the debate less then a week after it was started? I could understand if the was an overwhelming consensus one way or the other, but there clearly wasn't. An AfD would get a fortnight long debate or longer and there are request move discussions continuing that were started much more than a week ago. So why was this debate cut short? [[User:Hera1187|Hera1187]] 06:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
== Many thanks! ==
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Hi there, sorry for the delay in replying (just got back from holiday)...About the userpage, I'd go for option c.), it seems the most reasonable to me. Feel free to use your own discrection though. :) Regards -- Banes14:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to ask what you meant by repeatedly stating my opposition in the other RfA, but now looking it over it I see what you mean with regard to two of my three-four subsequent comments. Their reason was to engage the comments by others, in the same vein as is done on article and policy discussion pages, and was not intended to "furthermore" oppose beyond the comments I had already made. That is, they were subordinate to the comments by other users rather than "top-level", subordinate only to the overarching RfA. I did not intend to strengthen my position in the context of the RfA nor to offend or "rub it in". —Centrx→talk • 13:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry; I have seen far worse. In fact, I'm worried some may think I was doing a little rubbing in of my own on the RfAs for Sean Black and JD_UK because my comments were so long. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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I note a revision in your userpage indicating your college choices. Consider this a gentle prod from a like-minded admirer that you might wish to add Harvard among them. I'm quite certain, given both your intellect and your unusual background, that you would be a formidable candidate, and a benefit to the University as well. I would gladly pay your application fee myself. :) Best wishes, Xoloz20:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; that's quite a compliment (and quite an offer). The only downside about Harvard is that it does not offer a degree in civil engineering, my intended major. And before you say MIT, I have to say I'm looking for an all-around, instead of specialized, school (if only they combined MIT and Harvard...). Perhaps I'll apply to one of two schools anyway (although I couldn't possibly accept your offer). -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 21:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Harvardian aspiring engineers often choose physics, math, social studies, or sociology as their "concentration" (unfortunately, some small vestiges of elitism do remain at Harvard, and the curricular vocabulary is one: we don't have "majors.") Much flexibility is also given to undergraduates in designing their own course of study, so you may make the civil engineering curriculum for yourself, in consultation with a faculty advisor.
Your suspicion regarding our friends on the other side of Cambridge is correct: M.I.T. really is as frighteningly dull as is reported (for those people who have any interest in the humanities, anyway.)
My offer stands; should you decide to apply, a visit to Cambridge is always best, and I can see about arranging for an especially friendly person in the admission office to handle things. :) Best wishes, Xoloz04:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So you went to Harvard (still there?)... that answers a lot. I have visited Harvard on many occasions (note the second sentence of the bio on my userpage) and went once last August in a prospective student state-of-mind. Surprisingly, you have convinced me to apply to Harvard, especially since it looks like the school's application won't amount to a whole lot of extra work for me because Harvard uses the Common Application. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 04:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Despite being separated by only two T stops, Harvard Yard is as far from Boston as the clouds are -- in both negative and positive senses. ;) Xoloz04:52, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't doubt it but everything below is east coast. He should go West coast or Cambridge England :) Half joking, but you know what I mean. Tariqabjotu, good luck with the applications. Always aim high! David D.(Talk)06:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... if only you knew...
Me: Grew up in Boston, moved to (metropolitan) Washington, DC
Ironically, I grew up about an hour outside of Charlottesville. UVA is much more pretentious as an aspirant to academic esteem than Harvard is as a supposed possessor of it. I'm glad you're applying, and I'm serious about the fee (somebody else paid mine, so reciprocity is at work!) Xoloz04:52, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello. When you added the excellent Infobox terrorist attack to the Oklahoma City bombing article, you also added the {{current}} template [1]. Since the bombing happened about eleven years ago, I presume this was a mistake and have since removed the current-event template. My apologies if I am mistaken. --Kralizec! (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Can you translate "Давай сделаем голосовалку на факт того что Буш Афро-американец и у него черная кожа? Если большинство выскажется за примишь ли ты результаты? Я думаю нет и сослешся на WP:NOR. Я делаю тоже." for me? Thanks in advance. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 22:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
lol ok.
"Давай сделаем голосовалку на факт того что Буш Афро-американец и у него черная кожа? Если большинство выскажется за примишь ли ты результаты? Я думаю нет и сослешся на WP:NOR. Я делаю тоже."
—Let's do a poll on the fact that Bush is an African American and has black skin? If the majority said "yes" would you accept the results? I think you would not and would point to WP:NOR (i.e. you would say that this is original research). I am doing the same thing (i.e. calling table 2 original research).
Alright; thanks. I was worried when you said Also, risqué comments involving blacks are not only inappropriate but also have nothing to do with this discussion. that he intended to insult me. I do wish Elk would keep his statements to English though... -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 22:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I do think it [ the example about bush being black ] is completely unrelated to the discussion, but it did occur to me that the particular example he used might have had something to do with your race. Just a hunch though. —lensovet–talk – 22:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey JT. Userpage is a lot better - and you've been great under fire. In retrospect, had I supported your RfA2 I would not have regretted having done so, and I'll be happy to support you in RfA3. I saw your name in a few controversial places, and you were espousing thoughtful and refreshingly non-partisan views, which made me feel good. What's with the username, dude? Tariq from JoTu? :) - CrazyRussiantalk/email13:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realize ab meant from. That's actually, like Jo and Tu, the first two letters of a name (Abbas). But, I suppose Tariq from JoTu works perfectly fine as well. Regarding Stanford, I know getting into Stanford is tough for anyone, no matter how intelligent one may be. I'd have to say I'm satisfied with the SAT situation and the place I'm working now and during the school year. Apparently Xolozhas some confidence too. Perhaps being black may help, but I honestly hope people don't capitalize on that (I know you didn't mean any harm). I remember this intelligent black student last year got accepted to MIT and well... he got the affirmative action flack from so many people. But then he went off to MIT, letting them be bitter all with their lonesomes. I predict a similar kind of reaction will be directed towards me, regardless of what happens in my college application process. But frankly, I've heard enough black sheep, oreo, derka, derka, Muhammad jihad jokes to not really care any more. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 15:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Tariq ab JoTu" (see the first line of [2]). Therein lies the biggest problem with affirmative action in education and employment - those racial minorities who are perfectly capable of getting in / getting hired on their own merits are commingled by everyone with those that were "pulled up by their ears", to quote a Russian saying, and that doesn't help one bit. As for the "oreo" stuff, that is beyond disgusting. If anyone said that to me, I would truly clock them, and I advise you do same. - CrazyRussiantalk/email16:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm correct, you just suggested I punch those who insult me... sounds almost as bad as attacking those who draw cartoons. And then you followed that with a... um... not sure what exactly that's supposed to mean (a request to accept Xoloz's offer?). Well, either way... that explains the crazy. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 17:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
LOL... sense of humor issues... Xoloz wrote he wishes to gently "prod" you (to apply to Harvard). So I wrote to say, we don't want you deleted, strong keep, haha... Yes? Yes? You understand? lol... And torching embassies in response to political discourse != clocking someone who personally maliciously insults you with "oreo" - CrazyRussiantalk/email17:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see... perhaps I would have understood better if we were talking about MIT; I here going there is like being deleted. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 17:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Tariqabjotu. This is a quick message to remind you that all 5 finalists for the Esperanza User Page Award have been chosen. You now need to judge those 5 pages, awarding each one 1-10 points for attractiveness, usefulness, interesting-ness and general niceness. Refer to the Scores section at the project page if you are unsure of how to score.
Thank you for taking the time to express an opinion in my recent request for adminship. I have withdrawn my self-nomination because there seemed little prospect for further productive discussion or the formation of a consensus to promote. Many commentators offered constructive critisism that I will use to improve myself as a user. Others suggested that the nomination was premature and that a re-nom in a few months would be more likely to gain consensus. Thank you for your comments. Hopefully, I will continue to improve so that in any future RfA I will be able to earn your support. Eluchil40419:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
LDBot
Thanks for taking care of LDBot :) He'll be back Sunday to resume his duties.
Thanks for your support in my RfA! Unfortunately, the request did not pass, with a vote of (43/16/7). But your support was appreciated and I'll just keep right on doing what I do. Maybe I'll see ya around -- I'll be here! Cheers! - CheNuevara17:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And thank you for the barnstar; it's very much appreciated. I normally archive the first fifty topics after I reach seventy topics (which amounts to about one archive per month). -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 12:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Show/Hide
Hey Tariqabjotu, not to be burden, but you do know Wikipedia a whole lot better than I do. i was experiementing with those windows that you can 'Click to Show' and 'Click to Hide'. I made a successful one a User:Scrumshus/Userbox mini. However, when I tried to work it into my inofbox on the left side of my userpage, it wouldn't cooperate. I tried working it inot my alternate inofbox, but it didn't work either. If you follow my links, you'll see what I'm talking about. Can you help me fit my Show/Hide bar into my inofobx? Thanx, Scrumshus17:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I may have fixed the infobox situation. However, you may need to change the sizes of surrounding elements to make your page look okay. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 23:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good evening. There have been some new facts and evidence presented in the discussion since your last edit. When you have a minute, would you mind taking the time to revisit the discussion? Thanks. Rossami(talk)22:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks from Yanksox
Hey! Thank you so much for supporting my RfA, which registered a tally of 104/4/7. Which means...
I am now an admin!!!
I was and still am very flattered by all the kind comments that I recieved, I will also take into account the comments about how I could improve. I guarantee I will try my best to further assist Wikipedia with the mop. Feel free to drop in and say hi or if you need anything. Again, thank you so much! Now, start writing your acceptance speech! =) Yanksox04:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry you didn't feel able to support this move, which was totally uncontentious - I may well NOT have followed the procedure properly, but the intended move was adequately flagged up on the main list and on the talk page, so that there could have been debate if any were needed. Please reconsider (I'm glad I'm not an admin :-))Linuxlad10:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely correct. Unfortunately, I'm not an admin either so I can't actually perform the move; I can only close move requests that don't end in a move or that are malformed. I'll go contact an admin that is online right now to perform the move. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed you added yourself to the page. Do you use Linux (because if not, the program is going to be a little on the difficult side to run)? alphaChimplaudare20:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No I'm not using Linux (I'm using Windows); I guess I didn't look at the instruction page closely enough. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 20:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, no worries. VS seems amazing. It makes up for all of the places AmiDaniel said he would inprove for VP 1.3, but hasn't yet (e.g. IRC RC feed, etc.). I've actually been struggling to make it work for 2 weeks now. It's possible to make it work on a windows computer using a special distribution of Linux, Knoppix. If you're still interested in it, I can link you up with a pretty good tutorial by another user. alphaChimplaudare20:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Omicronpersei8 and I had a huge discussion about this. You need to download Knoppix from here. It's a German project, so make sure that you get the English version (Germans also have a different keyboard, so you'll be really screwed =D). Like you probably read in the Wikipedia article, Knoppix loads Linux into your RAM, and compresses a large amount of information onto the CD. It can't really screw up your PC, and you won't have to repartition. Linux is, as a whole, very confusing, at least for me, but you seem pretty smart. Maybe you can make up where I left off. This is the relevant section of the talk page where we discussed it. It's probably a better idea to download the torrent (faster and less server load). Let me know if you have any further questions. Regards, alphaChimplaudare21:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to the Birthday Committee!
Welcome to the Birthday Committee! Hi Tariqabjotu, and welcome to the Birthday Committee! I hope you like it here and decide to stay. You can find out more about our project here. Have a great day! ~~~~
4.Moscow became Summer Olympics site not because its "sport atmosphere" and the atmosphere changed during the 26 years.
Go for a better wording if you want, but the Olympics certainly is an important part of the city (and sports are somewhat important in the article). -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 16:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The original intro was choppy; it had one- and two-sentence paragraphs. The intro is supposed to be a summary of the article and, in my opinion, this intro covers most of the major sections briefly. I also don't see any weasel words. However, feel free to write another intro if you think you have one that is better. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 16:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I re-did my userpage! I was going to re-do my userpage, but I couldn't decide, so I set up my Radnom projects page. I wanted to get some "professional" advice before carrying out my idea. Could you look at it, maybe tell me what my flaws are? Beacause I really don't know. Thanx, Scrumshus15:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Current Affairs Portal
Thanks for your earlier message. I had a look at changing the instructions about changing the clock but couldn't figure out how to get the August clock working. Sorry to do this to you.Capitalistroadster00:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Alright; no problem. I hope the three periods in the code didn't confuse you. I meant to indicate that I omitted the rest of the weeks from the code as they were repetitive and insignificant for the instructions. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 01:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I normally connect to IRC through Opera, but I'm at work, so I'm going to have to download Opera first (unless there is a better alternative). -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That is not a problem, I can wait, but preferably would like to talk today about some users, including yourself (you'll find out why later). Chacor13:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, one thing - I'd prefer to make first contact, rather than you contacting me (you'll find out why, as I said above), so when you're on could you send me a talk message with your IRC name? Thanks! Chacor13:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm having trouble connecting to IRC. Opera won't connect to the Internet and I'm not familiar with mIRC (although it looks like I am doing it correctly). -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your work on the Castro transfer page. Could you please watch the Cuba page, users are insisting in the info box that Raul is now President of the Council of state (President of Cuba). This is not the case, Raul is assuming duties as per Cuban constitution. Thanks. --Zleitzen15:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, thanks for the response on the "Castro transfer of duties" talk page. I figure if I responded there, that would be pretty hypocritical, since I was complaining about polluting talk pages ;) Anyway, even though I hate to look like an empty-headed flag-waver (I'm really not!), I do kindof find the phrase "America looks like a total comedy" to be "blatantly insulting," though I guess it's not quite vandalism... I guess I'll just leave it be. Anyway, wanted to say thanks!! --Jaysweet17:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you know, all those subheadings under the body of the debate are also a part of it. Not sure if it factors into the decision to rule "no consensus", but they should definitely be placed under the archival envelope. Doogie2K(talk)23:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't put it under the archival envelope because it says that nothing within the envelope should be edited. Since the part under the "discussion" header is just that - discussion - and not the survey, I decided to leave it outside the envelope and let people respond to comments right there. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 23:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bat Ye'or/Pecher
Joturner, It is better to avoid using Bat Ye'or if you can find better sources. She is criticized by some academics for lacking academic credentials, being polematic. There is a lot of controversarry around her works.
Re: this edit of yours [3], there is an ArbCom case in which Pecher is involved. we are discussing [4] & [5].
H.E. added your diff as an evidence, but I think you have revised your view (as Pecher's comment on 21:46, 30 July 2006 states). So, I have removed that diff for now. If you still think there was a misrepresentation, please comment there. Thanks --Aminz02:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you close the debate less then a week after it was started? I could understand if the was an overwhelming consensus one way or the other, but there clearly wasn't. An AfD would get a fortnight long debate or longer and there are request move discussions continuing that were started much more than a week ago. So why was this debate cut short? Hera118706:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks!
Hi! Thanks for wishing me a happy first edit day! =) That was a spirit lifter for sure!
