Talk:Teemu Selänne

Olympic Points record premature????

According to a reliable source; [1] Harry watson scored 37 goals in 5 games in the 1924 olympics, also Harry Watson had 9 assists (apparently maybe a better source is needed) [2] are we not premature as the news in declaring that Selanne is the all time points leader in the olympics? I think he still has 9 points to go. Ottawa4ever (talk) 09:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

IIHF says that Watson, along with Vlastimil Bubnik and Valeri Kharlamov all had 36 points.[3] —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 12:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell the 36 points originates from the NHL compiling a list of olympic records [4]. Watson is credited as having 36 goals by the NHL and IIHF, 37 goals by HHOF. This doesnt matter though so much aside from being slightly premature. Selanne will no doubt pass 37 points shortly with his 38th. However in every source available on the record being beaten by Selanne only Watson's total goals are used to compare as being his total points. His assists are not being considered. Even in comparsion of total points the NHL in the above list compared Selanne to modern players and not to Watson. I think even if we say Selanne broke the record, we should point out that only Watson's total goals are considered in this comparison. Otherwise I believe we have a biased comparsion. Alternatively like the NHL (use to compare prior to this hype building up) I think we need to specifically say Selanne's points record is a modern olympic record. Would you agree with either option? Ottawa4ever (talk) 13:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Assists were not recorded internationally back then. I can understand your argument about bias, but at the same time you don't see games end 33-0 anymore. Basically it comes down to avoiding original research, which we can do by simply reciting what the sources say. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 14:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

As Krm mentions assists were not recorded back then. And adding the word modern is Original Research. We are obligated to just recite what the sources say. -DJSasso (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Adding the word 'modern' as the NHL has done in their list; [5] is not original resarch. I can though understand the point of view presented that it can sound as such considering other sources have compared Watson to Selanne and that we can be borderline doing SYNTH (under OR) at that point. Though I do think that its semi biased coverage the way it is written (perhaps more so in the sources being written recently by the press), I do see your points of view as well. Thanks for the input. Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Just for information, the reliable site eliteprospects [6] also recorded the 46 points Harry Watson may have scored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.61.130.27 (talk) 10:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

"May have scored" is the key issue there. Regardless of the reliability of Elite Hockey Prospects, the fact remains that the IIHF did not track assists at those games. Watson officially has 36 points in Olympic competition per the IIHF itself. Resolute 23:53, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Place of Birth

The place of birth in the info box has been changed to Espoo numerous time. The NHL lists his place of birth as Helsinki [7], as does European Hockey.Net, the Internet Hockey Database and The Hockey News. According to the Hockey Hall of Fame he was born in Helsinki, and did not move to Espoo until after he had began playing hockey as a child in Rauma, and makes it sound like he was around 10 at the time. If there is a reference that states other wise please add it but all information backs up the statement that he was born in Helsinki.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 15:57, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Teemu Selänne/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Canada Hky (talk · contribs) 23:36, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

This popped up on my watchlist when nommed a few days ago. I'll give it a review in the following day or so. Canada Hky (talk) 23:36, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments

• I went through and fixed some minor errors and adjusted some phrasing, could you please double check and make sure you agree with all of these?
• Could you please confirm that this is the correct division name? And is it likely to be notable in the near future, if it isn't now?
  • "...Selänne joined Jokerit's senior team in the 1. Divisioona in 1988–89..."
    • I forget where I took that from, but the Finnish article argues it is correct. The league itself is undoubtedly notable, but a defunct Finnish minor league isn't too important for most English editors, I suppose. Hopefully an interested reader will deal with that redlink. Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I fixed the redlink. It's quite poor but still, an article about I-Divisioona already existed. bbx (talk) 04:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
• Any references for Carlyle refusing to give Selanne #8 upon his arrival in the NHL? His switch was a fairly significant story (or so 12 year old me remembers).
  • I can find a story noting that Selanne couldn't wear 8 because Carlyle already had it, but is a rookie not getting number preference over a vet really important? Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
• Some international bios include the World Cup / Canada Cup in the medal table, this does not - Is there any consensus or precedent being followed here?
  • The CC/WC does not hand out medals, so it is inaccurate to argue a second place finisher won a silver medal. Someone from before my time added most of those to the medal tables, and I tend to correct that when I come across it these days. Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
• Did he play during the most recent lockout?
  • Nope. Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
• Note about being selected for 2014 Olympics? He hasn't played yet, but he also clearly hasn't quite followed through on his previously stated withdrawal from international hockey.
  • Could have sworn I added that. I did now. Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
• Note that he is the all-time leading scorer at the Olympics, and not other international tournaments for clarity's sake?
  • Done. Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
• Was there any reaction from his NHL team's during his racing career in Finland? I vaguely recall hearing something about it, but I wouldn't be able to lay my hands on sources if pressed. I am guessing if you didn't come across it, it doesn't exist.
  • One mentioned that he used the pseudonym to keep knowledge of his hobby from the Jets, and the stories I cited pretty much limit the Ducks reaction to the crash as "glad he's okay". The former might be a useful addition if you agree, but the latter should go without saying. Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Other than these points, everything looks good with the article. References are complete and reliable. Images are appropriately used and licensed. No stability issues or edit-warring. If you could respond to the above comments, I think we should be good. Canada Hky (talk) 00:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Appreciate the review! This one I might target for a PR then FAC after the season ends (i.e.: if he actually follows through on the latest retirement threat), and it is nice to get a good review on it now. Your points should hopefully be addressed. Thanks! Resolute 04:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

BTW, is there any chance you have access to an old Jets media guide? I had to hide his Molson Cup win from the awards table for want of a source. I'd like to avoid having to spend $10+ on a short Winnipeg Free Press archive membership that may not provide anything, or on an old Jets media guide if I can help it. Resolute 04:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't have an old Jets media guide, but I might have FP access through my uni. I'll check it out to confirm / deny. Is it something that might be in the old Sporting News Registers? They always seemed to have a lot of small details in those.

All the concerns I raised with this issue, regarding minor prose issues have been addressed. Sources look good, images are good, coverage is appropriate, and no issues with neutrality / stability. I am going to promote this article to GA status, as soon as I remember how to do it. Canada Hky (talk) 01:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Teemu's father

You know that magazine published that stepfather claim is one of the infamous yellow press -magazines in Finland? That claim should be removed. Iivarius (talk) 14:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@Iivarius: The link appears to have gone dead, so we will probably have to find another anyway, but could you perhaps help me with some clarification? Which "stepfather clam" are you referring to? I sort of presume that you mean Ilmari is actually his biological father? If you have a better source as well (in English or Finnish), that would be most helpful! Thanks, Resolute 14:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Selännes personal information has been tampered with.

Height, weight etc are obviously fake. Mikaaneikelpaa (talk) 10:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)