Talk:Hello (Adele song)

Video in infobox

Please discuss here on whether to include link to official video in infobox. Gizmocorot (talk) 12:55, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes I have. It should be in WP:EL since its an external link and not discussed in the article, not in the infobox because it does not give any general information. Its an external link for click bait which is generally what YouTube is for. Just because other articles use it I definitely think we should not use that as example. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 15:24, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

What you describe above as click bait is exact reason in my opinion we should keep link. Official video is an external link of importance and something visitors search for. Furthermore, this is a highly visited page (stats), and placement of link makes a difference. Result of this discussion can be generalized to other songs too... Looking forward to opinions of other editors, infobox can be updated accordingly. Gizmocorot (talk) 15:43, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

It is NOT upto us to make any EL a clickbait and if you are going through that route I would have to question your understanding of WP policies. The fact that this page has a high viewer ship (obviously duh) holds no candle to an external link which is not used in the article. If you want go ahead and raise RFC. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 10:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

@IndianBio: This is not first page to include video links. Opened RfC below.. Gizmocorot (talk) 10:37, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Sound clip

Any one knows how to create sound clip/copyright issues with creating it? Looking forward to discuss which part/snippet of song to include in clip... Gizmocorot (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Peak Sales

An interesting tidbit you might want to add to its commercial performance is that at its peak it sold 5.2 copies a second. This is second only to Candle in the Wind 1997. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.231.180.197 (talk) 05:55, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Can you point to a source for this information? Btljs (talk) 07:32, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Including official video links in external links

This RfC has been created to open discussion on whether it's fine to include links to official video links in infoboxes of songs. Arguments have been raised that so is a violation of WP:EL. Examples of pages that include link to official video page: Hello (Adele song), California Gurls, Teenage Dream (Katy Perry song), Maldito Alcohol, Sympathy (Goo Goo Dolls song), Coke Bottle (song), Love Alone Is Worth the Fight, Girlfriend (Jay Park song), Tik Tok, Die Young (Kesha song), Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus song). Gizmocorot (talk) 10:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

• IMO I don't think the video link should be included in the song infobox, but rather in the external links sections. I have to agree with IndianBio on this one it makes the infobox even longer and not so much accessible especially when you have 3+ artists on the song (example, "FourFiveSeconds"). — Tom^(T2ME) 10:55, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Question of RfC is if posting links is in violation of WP:EL, main concerned raised in objection to link placement.. Gizmocorot (talk) 09:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

• WP:ELPOINTS #2 explicitly allows external links in infoboxes, with the ambiguous criteria in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable. Template {{External_music_video}} has been in use for seven years, and the usage documentation reads This template is used with the |Misc= parameter of an infobox template. A substantial discussion of this exact issue happened five years ago in a deletion discussion on the template. Good arguments were made in both directions, with a no-consensus outcome. The template was kept, and I would say the current De Facto situation is that Music Video links are permissible in infoboxes. A link to an official Music Video seems to me to be a uniquely high-value resource, which maybe does warrant inclusion in the infobox. My recommendation is to withdraw this RFC (delete the {{rfc}} template), and if Gizmocorot and/or Indian:BIO still think this needs resolution then open a new deletion discussion on Template {{External_music_video}}. I would suggest something to the effect of: Template External_music_video should either be deleted as an improper External Link in the infobox, or it should be merged as supported fields in Infobox song and Infobox single. If that deletion discussion is started, I suggest linking to it on Template_talk:Infobox_song, Template_talk:Infobox_single and probably Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs. Alsee (talk) 13:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I have to second Alsee, it seems explicitly supported in WP:ELPOINTS #2. A review of relevant video policies on that page doesn't say anything about including them in infoboxes. It's not in the scope of this RfC, but I can see discussion for when there are multiple versions of a song and video. In that case, I'd say you'd have to negotiate it just as you would discuss an infobox image. Again, doesn't apply here anyway. I recommend keeping the link in the infobox. Owlsmcgee (talk) 01:48, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Also agree with Alsee. The placement of the link in the infobox is supported. Although, I normally put the link under the section "external link" together with the link to lyrics, etc etc. Suggestion: Carry on the discussion at the appropriate policy talk page, so that consensus will be immediately applied to song/single articles. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 12:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

• Support - To be honest I've added YT vids but only if they're needed - If the album info is in the infobox then I'll add it in the External Links below, If there's no album info in the infobox then I add the vid to both the infobox and the external links section, In this case I'd say it's fine, The infobox doesn't look long so personally don't see an issue with it, –Davey2010^Talk 12:13, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

"Hello" by Adele - Vocal Range

I would like to point out that the vocal range currently written in the article ("F3 to Ab5") is probably wrong. F3 seems correct but Ab5 does not. I haven't checked this with a piano and I am not a professional musician but it is probably Ab4.

Christina - Always an Adele fan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.205.244.134 (talk) 23:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Me too, I think we should add that source is by Musicnotes.com. It's quite strange when saying her highest note in the song is Ab5. Minhhai 2000 (talk) 02:28, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi IP user and Minhhai 2000, I have added Musicnotes.com as direct attribution. I'm not an expert on this, too, but I think Ab5 is correct. It's at 4:52 (in the music video), in which she reached the note via the head voice register. Would make sense, too, because the song is played in the key of F minor, according to the website. Instead of G#, it should be Ab. Hope this helps. --Efe (talk) 11:55, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

In addition, she reached Eb5 at 4:44 (in the music video). So the higher note at 4:52 would be Ab5. Cheers. --Efe (talk) 17:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

The common term is G#5 and it is falsetto, not head voice. Two completely different things.  — Calvin999 11:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

First live performance

Adele is recording an hour long special for the BBC with Graham Norton on November 2. It's highly likely this will be broadcast before the SNL special, although a broadcast date hasn't been set yet. Can the 'Live perfomances' section be rewritten as it therefore isn't certain that the SNL performance will be the first one - maybe to something like 'Adele will perform the song live on the 21 November SNL show and also on the hour-long BBC special.' with no mention of which is first to reflect the ambiguity? Once we know which was first, we can change the text, but at the moment it's all speculation. Info about the BBC special here [1]. 109.154.101.127 (talk) 11:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

I've added the BBC information in. Regardless of when it's broadcast, it will be her first live performance: the BBC article specifically says she will be performing in front of a live audience. It's likely it will be broadcast soon after it's recorded, I should think as the BBC wouldn't want to sit on a hot property like that! I would bet good money it will go out before SNL. Stronach (talk) 16:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Release history

I don't understand the Italy row. Does this mean that it was only released for radio play in Italy on 23rd (ie. not download which seems unlikely) or that it wasn't released worldwide for radio play on 23rd (which rather beggars the question of where it was, as it was played on UK radio and where's the date for worldwide radio play)? Btljs (talk) 18:47, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Region	Date	Format	Label
Worldwide	23 October 2015	Digital download	XL
Italy		Mainstream radio
United States	26 October 2015	Hot/Modern/AC	Columbia
	27 October 2015	Mainstream radio

References

I had the same "question" on "Photograph" by Ed Sheeran. I think it's a matter of available sources. Should we put a note that it's incomplete? --Efe (talk) 12:00, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Sales figures: combined vs traditional

Don't just keep editing backwards and forwards in the certification table. I have started a WP:RfC at Template_talk:Certification Table Entry#Sales_figures: combined vs traditional. Please contribute to that. Btljs (talk) 10:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

jose.rms and Danielfuinogl as you have an opinion on what kind of sales to show in certifications, you might want to comment in the above discussion. Thanks. Btljs (talk) 19:19, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2015

At the end of the introduction, move the comma that is now after "including" to before that word59.171.229.33 (talk) 00:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2015

New peak of #1 in South Africa http://sa-ema.com/airplay-chart 196.22.243.123 (talk) 11:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

• Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. --Stabila711 (talk) 17:25, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Critical acclaim?

We need to have a serious discussion here folks. Yes, the song was warmly received, but many credible journalists (and people with ears to be quite frank) have pretty much lightly insinuated plagiarism and/or copy-right infringement regarding the song of the same name by Lionel Richie. Yes, I know it's mentioned there briefly in the article, but I think we need to have a more third-party perspective folks. Please, the more input from editors the better. Cheers.--2602:306:C400:1A60:50D2:FCC8:5C72:E536 (talk) 03:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

References? I heard Richie was happy with it; in a way it shows how well his song is remembered. If you can find sources stating they think it's plagiarism then please cite them; 'lightly insinuated' is not adequate. The song contains the phrase "million miles" which is another track from the same Bob Dylan album which gave Adele her earlier hit "Make You Feel My Love" and "a thousand times" is obviously a quote from Romeo and Juliet. Modern song writers influenced by previous generations - shock. (Sorry my sarcasm filter's on the blink again) Btljs (talk) 07:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

What a surprise, IP/Unknown users coming in here to slam content without providing any backing to the claim as usual. Sometimes I do think we should make WP only a registered user page. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 10:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarism because she says "Hello"? What a joke.  — Calvin999 10:25, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Just imagine if they hadn't edited out the scene in the video where Wilds makes a clay model of Adele's head;) Btljs (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Barf, that was actually true? Or you playin with me? :O —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 11:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

No, complete BS thankfully. Sorry. Btljs (talk) 12:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

@Btljs: @IndianBio: @Calvin999: Before any of you 'experienced' Wikipedia editors hawk on my post, here are some facts not to be ignored: Newster, Entertainment Weekly, Rolling Stone, Billboard, Latin Post, Canoe all indicate similarities, all in differing levels of scrutiny. In fact, there seems to be another song they were "inspired" by that is also suspect.--2602:306:C400:1A60:80A0:B9E4:E827:AC5B (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2015 (UTC)